Is there a way to make wizards CHA based?

[RoboEmperor]

Is there a way to make wizards CHA based? It would make me sooo much happier if there was. Wizards have too many good ACFs compared to sorcerers, but I don't want to be MAD.

[AnimeTheCat]

If you like the Wizard ACFs like specialists (Necromancer, Abjuration Specialist, etc) but you want to be charisma focused, try asking your DM if you can specialize just like the wizard. You get an extra spell per day, but you have two forbidden schools. You won't be able to take the ACF that trades bonus feats, but you'll get the ones for bonus spells and your familiar.

Off the top of my head though, I don't know of any way to make a wizard cast from charisma.

[khadgar567]

First party nope. Third party yes there is a feat in bastards and bloodlines book

[NOhara24]

Is there a way to make wizards CHA based? It would make me sooo much happier if there was. Wizards have too many good ACFs compared to sorcerers, but I don't want to be MAD.

If I'm not mistaken, there are no CHA based prepared spellcasters in 3.5

Also, neither Wizard or Sorcerers are by any means MAD. A strong wizard has good INT, a strong sorcerer has good CHA. That's all they need and it's part of why they're so powerful.

[RoboEmperor]

If I'm not mistaken, there are no CHA based prepared spellcasters in 3.5

Also, neither Wizard or Sorcerers are by any means MAD. A strong wizard has good INT, a strong sorcerer has good CHA. That's all they need and it's part of why they're so powerful.

Certain class features or spells use CHA, which is why I have been going sorcerer for the longest time. If I switch to wizard for ACFs, then i need both INT and CHA making the character MAD.


If you like the Wizard ACFs like specialists (Necromancer, Abjuration Specialist, etc) but you want to be charisma focused, try asking your DM if you can specialize just like the wizard. You get an extra spell per day, but you have two forbidden schools. You won't be able to take the ACF that trades bonus feats, but you'll get the ones for bonus spells and your familiar.

Off the top of my head though, I don't know of any way to make a wizard cast from charisma.

Its specifically Domain Access. Wizards can freely ditch their bonus feats at level 5, 10, 15, 20 to gain a cleric domain power (4 total), where as a sorcerer has to give up a spell known at every single level to gain a maximum of 1 domain power. On top of other stuff like Abrupt Jaunt.

[AnimeTheCat]

Its specifically Domain Access. Wizards can freely ditch their bonus feats at level 5, 10, 15, 20 to gain a cleric domain power (4 total), where as a sorcerer has to give up a spell known at every single level to gain a maximum of 1 domain power. On top of other stuff like Abrupt Jaunt.

I usually allow sorcerers bonus feats at the same levels as wizards but they have to be heritage or metamagic feats instead of metamagic or item creation feats. You could also try talking to your DM to see if they will allow you to be a domain sorcerer like the domain wizard. You get one extra domain spell per day from the domain you select.

[Grod_The_Giant]

The feat in question is Lost Tradition. It's probably okay if you stay away from Con-based casting.


If I'm not mistaken, there are no CHA based prepared spellcasters in 3.5
The Sha'ir and Spirit Shaman are both somewhere between prepared and spontaneous (the former more than the latter) and both use Cha (again, the former more then the latter).

[khadgar567]

thanks grod for finding the bugger.

[MrHalloww]

Wizards have too many good ACFs compared to sorcerers, but I don't want to be MAD.

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Hahahahaha, this can only be a joke.

Wizard ACF is completely TRASH compared to the sorcerer.

Dragonblood Sorcerer ACF free access to Use Magic Device + High Charisma + Skillfull moment spell enables a level 4 sorcerer to use level 9 spells and smash the wizard at any level.
Optimized Use Magic Device to emulate ultra high caster level to Otiluke's Supressing Field and make the Wizards cry.

Dragonblood Sorcerer ACF Spell-like Ability + Supernatural transformation feat = Supernatural Truename Dispel that is I win button against any caster.
Also, Each Body Outside Body clone can use Supernatural Truename Dispel to SMASH Wizards buffs.

Divine Sorcerer ACF, Domain Access is free access to Dweomerkeeper.

Divine Sorcerer, Divine Companion allow Sorcerer to apply your Caster Level to AC and Saves. It's overpowering to high caster level Sorcerer! (177 caster level or more).




You must be kidding!

[MrHalloww]

First party nope. Third party yes there is a feat in bastards and bloodlines book

It is not Third Party!
It's d20 system only, It is not an official and licensed source to D&D 3.5 WoTC.

[Buufreak]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/ab/3b/74/ab3b74a16c7a9da3190f866b88d42a0d.jpg

Hahahahaha, this can only be a joke.

Wizard ACF is completely TRASH compared to the sorcerer.

Dragonblood Sorcerer free access to Use Magic Device + High Charisma + Skillfull moment spell enables a level 4 sorcerer to use level 9 spells and smash the wizard at any level.
Optimized Use Magic Device to emulate ultra high caster level to Supressing Field and make the Wizards cry.

Dragonblood Spell-like Ability + Supernatural transformation feat = Supernatural Truename Dispel that is I win button against any caster.
Also, Each Body Outside Body clone can use Supernatural Truename Dispel to SMASH Wizards buffs.

Divine Sorcerer ACF, Domain Access is free access to Dweomerkeeper.

Divine Sorcerer, Divine Companion allow Sorcerer to apply your Caster Level to AC and Saves. It's overpowering to high caster level Sorcerer! (177 caster level or more).




You must be kidding!

Spot the draco clone...

[Deadline]

Spot the draco clone...

The good news is, if this isn't someone else pretending to be Lord Drako, his English is improving. So, you know, there's that.

[khadgar567]

The good news is, if this isn't someone else pretending to be Lord Drako, his English is improving. So, you know, there's that.
might be or not might be draco himself as he is not opened with his signature threat. stay sharp people!

[MrHalloww]

The good news is, if this isn't someone else pretending to be Lord Drako, his English is improving. So, you know, there's that.
Is He Lord Drako or not? This is a mystery.
Whetever, thanks.

[Psyren]

Who cares? Report, ignore and move on.



The Sha'ir and Spirit Shaman are both somewhere between prepared and spontaneous (the former more than the latter) and both use Cha (again, the former more then the latter).

I wouldn't even call Sha'ir's "between" - they are absolutely prepared casters. (Which incidentally makes MoTAO a great PrC for them.)

[Telonius]

Spot the draco clone...

It's the one wearing the helmet, right? :smallbiggrin:

[TheBrassDuke]

Spot the draco clone...


It's the one wearing the helmet, right? :smallbiggrin:

Ha! :P Good gods, I thought we were done with him months ago.

[Buufreak]

Ha! :P Good gods, I thought we were done with him months ago.

Where the hell were you last week?

[ShurikVch]

If I'm not mistaken, there are no CHA based prepared spellcasters in 3.5Urban Druid (Dragon Compendium)

[NOhara24]

Certain class features or spells use CHA, which is why I have been going sorcerer for the longest time. If I switch to wizard for ACFs, then i need both INT and CHA making the character MAD.



In the same way that if you take levels in Rogue, you'll be MAD. It's a choice that you, the player, are making. Wizards out of the box are probably the most SAD class in the game. Even Abrupt Jaunt, which you single out, is INT/day. And as it's been said, the majority of Wizard ACFs are pretty crap.

If you want to play a Wizard, play a Wizard. Don't try and make it into a sorcerer; you've played that before and you know what its like.

[MrHalloww]

If you want to play a Wizard, play a Wizard. Don't try and make it into a sorcerer; you've played that before and you know what its like.

Wizard trying to be CHA-based caster.
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[Malimar]

It is not Third Party!
It's d20 system only, It is not an official and licensed source to D&D 3.5 WoTC.
That's... that's what "third party" means, tho?

[MrHalloww]

That's... that's what "third party" means, tho?

No, third party is an official and lisenced book by WoTC.

d20 system book is not official and lisenced by WoTC. It's ilegal source.

[Malimar]

No, third party is an official and lisenced book by WoTC.

d20 system book is not official and lisenced by WoTC. It's ilegal source.

According to the standard conventions, first party is published by WotC, second party is licensed by WotC but published by somebody else, third party is published by somebody else without an official WotC license.

[MrHalloww]

According to the standard conventions, first party is published by WotC, second party is licensed by WotC but published by somebody else, third party is published by somebody else without an official WotC license.

According to you. So yes, it's third party.
Anyway it is illegal source.

[Gildedragon]

Well OP what do you want the Cha for? (Edit: other than casting; ie what skills or dips are you hoping for? Or what concept you building for?)
There's a few ways one could minimize your Cha Madness. Also What's your expected stat array

[MrHalloww]

Well OP what do you want the Cha for?
There's a few ways one could minimize your Cha Madness. Also What's your expected stat array

He want use Charisma synergy as Wizard base casting. (Applying Charisma to everything possible)

[JustIgnoreMe]

Anyway it is illegal source.

How is it an illegal source? The OP didn't say "no third party".

[MrHalloww]

How is it an illegal source? The OP didn't say "no third party".


Hahaha, you can now publish it on your facebook.
1)
Wizard STR Based Casting.
2)
Wizards spells can not be dispelled or counterspell

It's Third Party source.

It will never be official.

[EisenKreutzer]

Hahaha, you can now publish it on your facebook.
1)
Wizard STR Based Casting.
2)
Wizards spells can not be dispelled or counterspell

It's Third Party source.

It will never be official.

Doesn't have to be official. It just has to be fun.

[Buufreak]

According to you. So yes, it's third party.
Anyway it is illegal source.

That is exactly what we have been saying since moment 1, dingbat.

[Zakerst]

So to be clear for any one sitting on the sidelines and for the OP a 3rd party book is a book compatible with the d20 system this one intended to work with 3.5, however was not licenced or approved by WotC. E.g. it was published by a third (unrelated) party so using it is not something that can be generally assumed to be approved of, however for the purposes of the OP's question there exists a solution in that book so if the OP would like to bring it up at their table with their DM it is a resource option.

[Grod_The_Giant]

Who cares? Report, ignore and move on.



I wouldn't even call Sha'ir's "between" - they are absolutely prepared casters. (Which incidentally makes MoTAO a great PrC for them.)
Meh, they can already get any Sorcerer/Wizard spell they want. The fun begins once you realize that they're also divine casters, so they can get into Skypledged for the CLERIC spell pool.

Sha'ir are weird.

[Psyren]

Meh, they can already get any Sorcerer/Wizard spell they want.

Not quite; they still have to have seen/identified a spell before their Gen can even attempt to retrieve it, and even then it takes several minutes to grab just one spell even if you succeed, making this impractical for use in combat or other tight time constraints. The Spellpool circumvents both of these restrictions - it's a full-round action to grab a spell regardless of its level, you don't have to have seen the spell you need ahead of time, and there is no chance of failure (so long as nothing breaks your concentration anyway, but concentration is easy). Thus there is still considerable value for them getting an arcane spellpool.

There is synergy too - you can use the Spellpool to expose your Sha'ir to certain spells, and then the gen can retrieve those spells later without the Spellpool if time is not a factor (thus avoiding spelldebt.)

[TheBrassDuke]

Where the hell were you last week?

Kind of been absorbed in [Modded] Fallout 4 for a while, haha! You'll have to bring me up to speed, yeh?

[Buufreak]

Kind of been absorbed in [Modded] Fallout 4 for a while, haha! You'll have to bring me up to speed, yeh?

In short? He's been back, same old hat. But that is detracting. PM me if seriously interested.

[Crake]

In short? He's been back, same old hat. But that is detracting. PM me if seriously interested.

well, he's gone and banned now, so you can carry on the discussion in here. I'm genuinely curious though, what wizard ACFs are cha based that you wish to take advantage of?

[Lvl 2 Expert]

Needing two good attributes is pretty standard. And wizard is already plenty powerful. If I were the DM you'd have to talk pretty well for me to allow this.

If you wanted int based casting for a ranger, or cha for a paladin, sure, we can work sonething out. Wizard? If we're playing E6 or lower I'll think about it.