unseenmage
2017-07-31, 10:49 PM
Have been invited to a new PF game at level 10 and the below spells, templates, and creatures are what I've been toying with using as the theme for a new character or two.
Have also been contemplating a limiter for Simulacrum, Trompe L'oeil, and Alter Ego. That the creature to be copied must instead be the 'character' to be copied. That the subject must be present for the duration of creation and copies can only be made of specific individuals inn the gameworld instead of just generic statblocks. It admittedly isn't too great of a hoop to jump through but I think it could act as a limiter as well as open up some good roleplaying opportunities.
I'm sure I am overthinking/overcomplicating things. Is there a more straightforward method to field (potentially) armies of copies of specific individuals?
Alter Ego (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Annis%20Hag%20Alter%2 0Ego): Creates a possibly uncontrolled, normally uncreatable construct version of a 3 Int creature at the cost of (CR+1)*(CR+1)*250gp plus cost of body.
Awaken Construct (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Awaken%20Construct): Grants unintelligent construct an Int score and free will at the cost of 2,000gp per HD.
Simulacrum (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/coreRulebook/spells/simulacrum.html): Creates a half HD version of a creature whose HD are no more than twice your CL at the cost of 500gp per HD of the simulacrum. (Bonus: Some Simulacrum Q&A. (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjk7q7llrXVAhWD6SYKHXvbCTMQFggvMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpaizo.com%2Fthreads%2Frzs2ljov%3 FSimulacrum&usg=AFQjCNFFJBXboeJHdO4hEdOJEptvsnC6jQ))
Trompe L'oeil (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Trompe%20l%27Oeil): Creates a painting pseudo-phylactery for the construct-pseudo-lich of an intelligent creature that retains its superpowers at the cost of 500gp per HD plus cost of painting OR (CR+1)*(CR+1)*250gp plus cost of body.
Waxwork Creature (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Waxwork%20Creature): Creates an unintelligent or sentient construct wax sculpture of a non-construct creature that loses its superpowers at the cost of 500gp per HD plus cost of wax OR (CR+1)*(CR+1)*250gp plus cost of body where the CRs depend on the waxwork's HD.
These Constructs are too weak for simulacrumization and unintelligent so Trompe L'oeil could only be modeled after awakened versions (if that works (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?532093-PF-Simulacrum-of-Awakened-Construct)).
Angelic Guardian (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Angelic%20Guardian)
Emerald Automaton (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Emerald%20Automaton)
Poppet, Small (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Poppet,%20Small)
Poppet, Tiny (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Poppet,%20Tiny)
Tattoo Guardian (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Tattoo%20Guardian)
These unintelligent creatures have mundane usefulness that is intrinsic to their shape and not dependent on their HD so simulacrum of them are just as useful as the original.
Adamantine Golem (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Adamantine%20Golem)
Animated Object, Large (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/animated-object/) Clockwork Shop (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/other-rules/downtime/#TOC-Rooms)
Animated Object, Huge Clockwork Shop
Behemoth Golem (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Behemoth%20Golem)
Gunpowder Ooze (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Gunpowder%20Ooze)
These creatures are already intelligent and so ripe for having Trompe L'oeil modeled after them.
Shell Sentinel (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Shell%20Sentinel)
Trompe L'oeil Doppelganger (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary/doppelganger.html)
Trompe L'oeil Shadow (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary4/shadowCreature.html#shadow-creature) Doppelganger
Living Cave Painting (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Living%20Cave%20Paint ing)
Mask Golem (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Mask%20Golem)
Shield Guardian (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary/golem.html#shield-guardians) Mask Golem
Trompe L'oeil Mimic (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary/mimic.html)
Trompe L'oeil Giant (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary/monsterAdvancement.html#giant-creature) Mimic
Spells
Ally Across Time (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Ally%20Across%20Time) SL 2
Army Across Time (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Ally%20Across%20Time) SL 5
Bilocation (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Bilocation) SL 9
Clone (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Clone) SL 8
Darting Duplicate (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Darting%20Duplicate) SL 1
Enter Image (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedPlayersGuide/spells/enterImage.html) SL 3
Fearsome Duplicate (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Fearsome%20Duplicate) SL 3
Horrific Doubles (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Horrific%20Doubles) SL 4
Instant Fake (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Instant%20Fake) SL 4
Majestic Image (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Majestic%20Image) SL 4
Mirror Hideaway (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Mirror%20Hideaway) SL 2
Mirror Image (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Mirror%20Image) SL 2
Mirror Transport SL 4
Project Image (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Project%20Image) SL 7
Sculpt Simulacrum (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateMagic/spells/sculptSimulacrum.html) SL 2
Shadow Conjuration (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/coreRulebook/spells/shadowConjuration.html) SL 4
Smug Narcissism SL 5
Symbol of Mirroring (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Symbol%20of%20Mirroring ) SL 2
Threefold Form (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Bilocation) Druid 9
Twin Form (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Twin%20Form) Alchemist 6
Twine Double (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Twine%20Double) SL 3
Vomit Twin (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Vomit%20Twin) SL 4
Items
Boniface Paint (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/EquipmentMiscDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Boniface%20pain t) 15gp
Book of Night without Moon (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Book%20of%20Ni ght%20without%20Moon) 15,000gp
Dagger of Doubling (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWeaponsDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Dagger%20of%20Do ubling) 10,302gp
Discretion Charm (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Discretion%20C harm) 3,500gp
Hat of Disguise (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/coreRulebook/magicItems/wondrousItems.html#hat-of-disguise) 1,800gp
Marvelous Pigments (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/coreRulebook/magicItems/wondrousItems.html#marvelous-pigments) 4,000gp
Mirror of Guarding Reflections 7,000gp
Mirror of Life Trapping (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Mirror%20of%20 Life%20Trapping) 200,000gp
Mirror of Opposition (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Mirror%20of%20 Opposition) 92,000gp
Mirroring Belt (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Mirroring%20Be lt) 36,000gp
Ring of the Shadow Victim (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MagicRingsDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Ring%20of%20the%2 0Shadow%20Victim) 101,000gp
Ring of the Stone Sibling (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicRingsDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Ring%20of%20the%2 0Stone%20Sibling) 7,400gp
Shadowbound Chains (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWeaponsDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Shadowbound%20Ch ains) 19,725gp
Sharding (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWeaponsDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Sharding) weapon enhancement +2
Woad Painting Kit (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedClassGuide/gear/alchemicalTools.html#woad-painting-kit) 300gp
Have also been contemplating a limiter for Simulacrum, Trompe L'oeil, and Alter Ego. That the creature to be copied must instead be the 'character' to be copied. That the subject must be present for the duration of creation and copies can only be made of specific individuals inn the gameworld instead of just generic statblocks. It admittedly isn't too great of a hoop to jump through but I think it could act as a limiter as well as open up some good roleplaying opportunities.
I'm sure I am overthinking/overcomplicating things. Is there a more straightforward method to field (potentially) armies of copies of specific individuals?
Alter Ego (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Annis%20Hag%20Alter%2 0Ego): Creates a possibly uncontrolled, normally uncreatable construct version of a 3 Int creature at the cost of (CR+1)*(CR+1)*250gp plus cost of body.
Awaken Construct (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Awaken%20Construct): Grants unintelligent construct an Int score and free will at the cost of 2,000gp per HD.
Simulacrum (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/coreRulebook/spells/simulacrum.html): Creates a half HD version of a creature whose HD are no more than twice your CL at the cost of 500gp per HD of the simulacrum. (Bonus: Some Simulacrum Q&A. (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjk7q7llrXVAhWD6SYKHXvbCTMQFggvMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpaizo.com%2Fthreads%2Frzs2ljov%3 FSimulacrum&usg=AFQjCNFFJBXboeJHdO4hEdOJEptvsnC6jQ))
Trompe L'oeil (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Trompe%20l%27Oeil): Creates a painting pseudo-phylactery for the construct-pseudo-lich of an intelligent creature that retains its superpowers at the cost of 500gp per HD plus cost of painting OR (CR+1)*(CR+1)*250gp plus cost of body.
Waxwork Creature (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Waxwork%20Creature): Creates an unintelligent or sentient construct wax sculpture of a non-construct creature that loses its superpowers at the cost of 500gp per HD plus cost of wax OR (CR+1)*(CR+1)*250gp plus cost of body where the CRs depend on the waxwork's HD.
These Constructs are too weak for simulacrumization and unintelligent so Trompe L'oeil could only be modeled after awakened versions (if that works (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?532093-PF-Simulacrum-of-Awakened-Construct)).
Angelic Guardian (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Angelic%20Guardian)
Emerald Automaton (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Emerald%20Automaton)
Poppet, Small (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Poppet,%20Small)
Poppet, Tiny (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Poppet,%20Tiny)
Tattoo Guardian (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Tattoo%20Guardian)
These unintelligent creatures have mundane usefulness that is intrinsic to their shape and not dependent on their HD so simulacrum of them are just as useful as the original.
Adamantine Golem (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Adamantine%20Golem)
Animated Object, Large (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/animated-object/) Clockwork Shop (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/other-rules/downtime/#TOC-Rooms)
Animated Object, Huge Clockwork Shop
Behemoth Golem (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Behemoth%20Golem)
Gunpowder Ooze (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Gunpowder%20Ooze)
These creatures are already intelligent and so ripe for having Trompe L'oeil modeled after them.
Shell Sentinel (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Shell%20Sentinel)
Trompe L'oeil Doppelganger (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary/doppelganger.html)
Trompe L'oeil Shadow (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary4/shadowCreature.html#shadow-creature) Doppelganger
Living Cave Painting (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Living%20Cave%20Paint ing)
Mask Golem (http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Mask%20Golem)
Shield Guardian (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary/golem.html#shield-guardians) Mask Golem
Trompe L'oeil Mimic (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary/mimic.html)
Trompe L'oeil Giant (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary/monsterAdvancement.html#giant-creature) Mimic
Spells
Ally Across Time (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Ally%20Across%20Time) SL 2
Army Across Time (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Ally%20Across%20Time) SL 5
Bilocation (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Bilocation) SL 9
Clone (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Clone) SL 8
Darting Duplicate (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Darting%20Duplicate) SL 1
Enter Image (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedPlayersGuide/spells/enterImage.html) SL 3
Fearsome Duplicate (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Fearsome%20Duplicate) SL 3
Horrific Doubles (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Horrific%20Doubles) SL 4
Instant Fake (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Instant%20Fake) SL 4
Majestic Image (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Majestic%20Image) SL 4
Mirror Hideaway (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Mirror%20Hideaway) SL 2
Mirror Image (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Mirror%20Image) SL 2
Mirror Transport SL 4
Project Image (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Project%20Image) SL 7
Sculpt Simulacrum (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateMagic/spells/sculptSimulacrum.html) SL 2
Shadow Conjuration (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/coreRulebook/spells/shadowConjuration.html) SL 4
Smug Narcissism SL 5
Symbol of Mirroring (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Symbol%20of%20Mirroring ) SL 2
Threefold Form (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Bilocation) Druid 9
Twin Form (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Twin%20Form) Alchemist 6
Twine Double (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Twine%20Double) SL 3
Vomit Twin (http://archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Vomit%20Twin) SL 4
Items
Boniface Paint (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/EquipmentMiscDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Boniface%20pain t) 15gp
Book of Night without Moon (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Book%20of%20Ni ght%20without%20Moon) 15,000gp
Dagger of Doubling (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWeaponsDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Dagger%20of%20Do ubling) 10,302gp
Discretion Charm (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Discretion%20C harm) 3,500gp
Hat of Disguise (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/coreRulebook/magicItems/wondrousItems.html#hat-of-disguise) 1,800gp
Marvelous Pigments (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/coreRulebook/magicItems/wondrousItems.html#marvelous-pigments) 4,000gp
Mirror of Guarding Reflections 7,000gp
Mirror of Life Trapping (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Mirror%20of%20 Life%20Trapping) 200,000gp
Mirror of Opposition (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Mirror%20of%20 Opposition) 92,000gp
Mirroring Belt (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Mirroring%20Be lt) 36,000gp
Ring of the Shadow Victim (http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MagicRingsDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Ring%20of%20the%2 0Shadow%20Victim) 101,000gp
Ring of the Stone Sibling (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicRingsDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Ring%20of%20the%2 0Stone%20Sibling) 7,400gp
Shadowbound Chains (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWeaponsDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Shadowbound%20Ch ains) 19,725gp
Sharding (http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWeaponsDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Sharding) weapon enhancement +2
Woad Painting Kit (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedClassGuide/gear/alchemicalTools.html#woad-painting-kit) 300gp