Psionic item pricing/function

[Tyrant]

I'm interesred in making or buying a ring of Mindlink (1st level psionic ability). Am I supposed to use the formula for making a magic ring? If so, are these the relevant numbers: 1(1st level power) × ?(Caster Level, or in this case Manifester Level) × 2000 gp (use activated or continuous) × 1.5 (duration is 10 min/level) ?

What would be an appropriate Manifester Level for this?

Also, would 2 of these allow 2 people to communicate telepathically at-will?

Finally, will the price that formula ends up with (assuming it's right) be the price to create it or to buy it?

Thanks for any help.

[Tyrant]

Hate to bump my own thread but I'm going to expand the question. What manifester level do you use when creating psionic items? What if they have variable power point costs? What items can be created if full magic transparency is in effect (wands, scrolls, rings, etc)?

Thanks in advance for any help.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

"The minimum caster level is that which is needed to meet the prerequisites given. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/magicItemBasics.htm#casterLevel)" This is the wording after the DMG errata, so many printed items don't follow this, but any items created during play do have that minimum caster level. Note that most published items have a set price, which does not vary based on the item's caster level, so this usually doesn't alter the cost to create any published magic arms/armor, rings, or wondrous items.

Any magical ring has Forge Ring (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#forgeRing) as a prerequisite, which requires a caster level of 12th.

This means at the minimum caster level your ring will cost 36,000 gp.


However, since this is a psionic item, we can look and see that the Ring of Self-Sufficiency (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/items/universalItems.htm#ringofSelfSufficiency) has Craft Universal Item (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#craftUniversalItem) as a prerequisite, which requires a caster level of 3rd.

So going by the existing psionic ring, yours at the minimum caster level would instead be 9,000 gp.

[Nifft]

A Ring of Invisibility is CL 3, and costs 20k gp.

This is the baseline I'd use.

At-will Mindlink isn't as generally useful as at-will Invisibility, though, so a lower price or more additional powers would be fair (for that same price and CL).

[Tyrant]

"The minimum caster level is that which is needed to meet the prerequisites given. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/magicItemBasics.htm#casterLevel)" This is the wording after the DMG errata, so many printed items don't follow this, but any items created during play do have that minimum caster level. Note that most published items have a set price, which does not vary based on the item's caster level, so this usually doesn't alter the cost to create any published magic arms/armor, rings, or wondrous items.

Any magical ring has Forge Ring (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#forgeRing) as a prerequisite, which requires a caster level of 12th.

This means at the minimum caster level your ring will cost 36,000 gp.


However, since this is a psionic item, we can look and see that the Ring of Self-Sufficiency (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/items/universalItems.htm#ringofSelfSufficiency) has Craft Universal Item (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#craftUniversalItem) as a prerequisite, which requires a caster level of 3rd.

So going by the existing psionic ring, yours at the minimum caster level would instead be 9,000 gp.
Just to be clear, you are getting that price by plugging CL 3 into the formula in my post?

Edit: I mean the 9000 gp

[Nifft]

"The minimum caster level is that which is needed to meet the prerequisites given. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/magicItemBasics.htm#casterLevel)" This is the wording after the DMG errata, so many printed items don't follow this, but any items created during play do have that minimum caster level. Note that most published items have a set price, which does not vary based on the item's caster level, so this usually doesn't alter the cost to create any published magic arms/armor, rings, or wondrous items.

Any magical ring has Forge Ring (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#forgeRing) as a prerequisite, which requires a caster level of 12th.

This means at the minimum caster level your ring will cost 36,000 gp.

Just so you know, that's completely wrong.

You can under-cast spells down to their minimum caster levels.

You need to be level 12 to craft a ring, but you do not need to craft a ring at level 12.

In fact, many rings in the SRD have a lower caster level -- my example shows a Ring of Invisibility with CL 3.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Just to be clear, you are getting that price by plugging CL 3 into the formula in my post?

Edit: I mean the 9000 gp

That's correct, 9,000 gp is the price for that item with a caster level of 3rd, which is the minimum to meet the prerequisites stated.


Just so you know, that's completely wrong.

You can under-cast spells down to their minimum caster levels.

You need to be level 12 to craft a ring, but you do not need to craft a ring at level 12.

In fact, many rings in the SRD have a lower caster level -- my example shows a Ring of Invisibility with CL 3.

As I said, those items were printed before the errata that says the minimum caster level is that which is needed to meet the prerequisites.

If a PC is making a Ring of Invisibility, the minimum caster level he can create it at is 12th. The market price of a Ring of Invisibility is not variable, so it doesn't cost any more to craft it at a caster level of 12th versus a caster level of 3rd, but RAW that's the minimum caster level for that item when created during play.

Edit: As another example, look at the Speed weapon property (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/magicWeapons.htm#speed) (CL 7th). Before the errata, a given item's published caster level was an additional prerequisite for making it. Since the errata, you can make a Wizard 5, get Craft Magic Arms and Armor as your 5th level bonus feat, and make a +1 Speed weapon at a caster level of 5th. It's not cheaper for being at a lower caster level, because the published price does not vary based on caster level, but it's available to be crafted earlier than what the default caster level shows for one that's discovered as loot.

[Troacctid]

You should expect table variation. There's no formula that you can plug a custom item into and have it spit out the correct answer (unless it's a scroll or wand or similar item). You always have to compare it to existing items and eyeball the best price that you can—assuming the item is even permissible in the first place, which is not necessarily a good assumption when dealing with continuous or at-will effects.