How much "Dragon" can you put into a single character

[Promethean]

Self explanatory really. Not really looking to optimize, just make something as naturally "Draconic" as possible without polymorphing into a dragon(and that can be dispelled anyway). For instance if you take a kobold character what's the limit in the number of way's you can put "dragon" templates and abilities on it.

Current progress: a dragonwrought kobold (type)dragonspawn abomination dragon shaman.(dragonwrought dragonspawn is possible by applying and removing a template that changes type, like lycanthropy. Example: Become half-golem(dragonflesh. :smallwink:), fail the save(is now construct), apply incarnate construct(is humanoid), now become dragonspawn/dragonspawn abomination)

If 3e books without 3.5 equivalents are allowed: Dragon magic, power incarnate(not the 3.5 dragon magic, that's a different book all together). (type)Half dragon dragonwrought kobold (type)dragonspawn abomination sorcerer 10/ dragon master 10.
Half-dragon is applied post dragonspawn via sorcerer, through the use of 3.0 dragon magic's dragonic feature system(though it requires spending A Lot of xp on draconic features as a sorcerer to acquire). On a side not it would also mean you could technically choose two dragon types to take after(mixed half gold, red dragonspawn is both ironic and brings to mind the image of a dragonspawn with awesomely mottled red-gold scales).

Dragonmaster has half casting progression(again not really optimized, though the +2-? sorcerer levels from greater draconic rite and dragonspawn offset this), But it's capstone is dragonmind which makes your mind like a dragon's(doesn't really have a mechanical benefit, though it's a reason to take dragon psychosis regardless of your side on the dragonwrought kobold debate{p.s. please don't start that here})

[Nifft]

You can't be a half-dragon Dragonwrought Kobold, since a Dragonwrought Kobold is already a dragon.


IMHO the most dragon character would be:

Dragonwrought Kobold gestalt: Dragonfire Adept 20 // Sorcerer 20

[Promethean]

You can't be a half-dragon Dragonwrought Kobold, since a Dragonwrought Kobold is already a dragon.


IMHO the most dragon character would be:

Dragonwrought Kobold gestalt: Dragonfire Adept 20 // Sorcerer 20

The 3e draconic ascendancy feature system applies the template regardless of type(It is 3e), It's a version of Half-dragon called an ascendancy template(in the books words) and function as the half dragon template in every way other than the fact it's applied via the system.(as well as other bonuses)

I've also seen arguements you can apply half-dragon to a dragon if it's another type of dragon, but I don't know what book that is from so I don't know if it holds water

[Inevitability]

You can't be a half-dragon Dragonwrought Kobold, since a Dragonwrought Kobold is already a dragon.


Creating A Half-Dragon
"Half-dragon" is an inherited template that can be added to any living, corporeal creature (referred to hereafter as the base creature).

A half-dragon uses all the base creature’s statistics and special abilities except as noted here.



They're living, corporeal creatures, not?

[clee19892]

You can't be a half-dragon Dragonwrought Kobold, since a Dragonwrought Kobold is already a dragon.


IMHO the most dragon character would be:

Dragonwrought Kobold gestalt: Dragonfire Adept 20 // Sorcerer 20

But half dragon can be put on a dragon, there is nothing in the requirements saying non-drago . Also it is how you get a half red half black dragon.

[Promethean]

....half red half black dragon.

Ouch. I don't want to be the PC fighting that.

Also not needing a round about System to apply half dragon is nice(though would still keep dragon master, there's not much more dragon-y than literally thinking like a dragon:smallbiggrin:)

[Rebel7284]

The most draconic you can be is simply playing a dragon... many wurmlings start off with just a few LA. A Loredrake Steel Dragon Wurmling, for example is 2LA, 4HD and casts as a 3rd level sorcerer. With Dragon HD, entering gish classes is easy and LA can be bought off.

Tome dragons from Dragon Magazine are also playable, but slightly worse.

Otherwise you're stuck with either dragonborn of bahamut or dragonwrought kobold and then playing either a sorcerer based gish or Dragonfire Adept.

I guess some build with Dragon Disciple can be done, but it likely won't be good. I am thinking Sorcerer 1/Psychic Warrior 4/Dragon Disciple 10 and then just spam Augmented Expansion to be really big. *shrugs*

[weckar]

They're living, corporeal creatures, not?

Wait... does that mean you can have half-dragon dragons? Or, by extension, half-dragon half-dragon dragons? That's like.... 175% dragon (Not quite double dragon).

[Inevitability]

Wait... does that mean you can have half-dragon dragons?

Still not as weird as half-dragon gelatinous cubes.

[Celestia]

Wait... does that mean you can have half-dragon dragons? Or, by extension, half-dragon half-dragon dragons? That's like.... 175% dragon (Not quite double dragon).
Technically, there's nothing stopping you from having a half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon dragon. Besides basic decency, of course.

[Sam K]

If you just want moar dragon, a draconic half dragon dragonwrought kobold should be a nice start. Then there's dragon shaman or dragonfire adept, going into dragon disciple. Don't forget to pick up a level of bard for dragonfire inspiration (which isn't dragon but it has dragon in the name which, in itself, is fairly dragon).

Do you get bonus points if you somehow fit in "dragoon" in there?

[daremetoidareyo]

If you just want moar dragon, a draconic half dragon dragonwrought kobold should be a nice start. Then there's dragon shaman or dragonfire adept, going into dragon disciple. Don't forget to pick up a level of bard for dragonfire inspiration (which isn't dragon but it has dragon in the name which, in itself, is fairly dragon).

Do you get bonus points if you somehow fit in "dragoon" in there?

Dragonbllod sorcerer 5 into dragonheart mage is better use of levels than Dragon shaman, which does nothing but be the most terrible class

[weckar]

Technically, there's nothing stopping you from having a half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon dragon. Besides basic decency, of course.
Half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon dragons.It's really just an asymptotic Double Dragon by this point.

[Sam K]

Dragonbllod sorcerer 5 into dragonheart mage is better use of levels than Dragon shaman, which does nothing but be the most terrible class

Truenamer would like a word?

Anyway, I never said it was good, just that it was dragon!

[Rebel7284]

Truenamer would like a word?


I see what you did there and I like it.

[Nifft]

They're living, corporeal creatures, not?

Right, I must have been thinking of Dragon Disciple.

Of course you can be a half-dragon dragon.

(But I'd recommend against it.)

[Misery Esquire]

Half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon half-dragon dragons.It's really just an asymptotic Double Dragon by this point.

I mean, the limitation would be on the types of dragon available to be halved-into.

Red, green, white, black, blue, brass, copper, bronze, silver, gold, prismatic, shadow, adamantine, steel, cobalt, mercury, mithral, orium, brown, grey, orange, purple, yellow, amethyst, crystal, emerald, sapphire, topaz, obsidian, nickel, tungsten, arboreal, astral, axial, battle, beast, chaos, chole, concordat, ectoplasmic, elysian, ethereal, gloom, howling, kodragon, oceanus, pyroclastic, radiant, rust, styx, tarterian, hellfire, force, time, hex, and tome are all the True Dragons I can find. (56?)

Although at this point you'd have some sort of bizarre dragon-seducing family tree that you'd need to carefully balance.

[Nifft]

Although at this point you'd have some sort of bizarre dragon-seducing family tree that you'd need to carefully balance.

If you stick to red & black dragons, the tree ought to be self-balancing.

[Shalist]

Jokes about, for instance, swallowing a bunch of smaller dragons aside, I'd say the answer is "at least two full dragons" :
http://www.vomdrakkenfels.com/Pictures/3688034%7EAlchemy-Morgan-Theomachia-Posters.jpg

edit: Any thoughts on Tiamat's 5-headed setup? Some sort of half-dragon (x15) hydra, where every head is a different 'half'?

[Celestia]

Jokes about, for instance, swallowing a bunch of smaller dragons aside, I'd say the answer is "at least two full dragons" :
http://www.vomdrakkenfels.com/Pictures/3688034%7EAlchemy-Morgan-Theomachia-Posters.jpg

edit: Any thoughts on Tiamat's 5-headed setup? Some sort of half-dragon (x15) hydra, where every head is a different 'half'?
There is, in fact, a multi headed template. Just add that for as many dragon halves you've got, and appearance I'd fluff.

[Inevitability]

There is, in fact, a multi headed template. Just add that for as many dragon halves you've got, and appearance I'd fluff.

Fairly sure separate breath weapons wouldn't be fluff, though.

[No brains]

Yo dawg, I've heard of dragon hoards, but this is the first time I've heard of hoarding dragon-ness.

For some weird options, you can wear dragon scale armor, maybe animating it so that it's almost like a dragon. Also you should be a dragon ghost and possess another multi-dragon-descendant.

[Thurbane]

Aberrant Dragonmark
Aberrant Dragonmark Gift
Aberrant Dragonmark Mystery
Aberrant Dragonmark Vigor
Armor of Scales [Ceremony]
Black Dragon Lineage [Draconic]
Blue Dragon Lineage [Draconic]
Brass Dragon Lineage [Draconic]
Bronze Dragon Lineage [Draconic]
Copper Dragon Lineage [Draconic]
Double Draconic Aura
Draconic Arcane Grace
Draconic Archivist
Draconic Armor [Draconic]
Draconic Aura
Draconic Breath
Draconic Claw
Draconic Flight
Draconic Heritage
Draconic Heritage [Draconic]
Draconic Knowledge
Draconic Knowledge [Draconic]
Draconic Legacy
Draconic Persuasion
Draconic Power
Draconic Presence
Draconic Resistance
Draconic Senses [Draconic]
Draconic Skin
Draconic Toughness
Draconic Vigor [Draconic]
Dragon Breath
Dragon Cohort
Dragon Familiar
Dragon Hunter
Dragon Hunter Bravery
Dragon Hunter Defense
Dragon Prophesier
Dragon Rage
Dragon Steed
Dragon Tail
Dragon Totem
Dragon Totem Focus
Dragon Totem Lorekeeper
Dragon Totem Scion
Dragon Trainer
Dragon Ward
Dragon Wild Shape
Dragon Wings
Dragoncrafter
Dragondoom
Dragonfire Assault [Draconic]
Dragonfire Channeling [Draconic]
Dragonfire Inspiration [Draconic]
Dragonfire Strike [Draconic]
Dragonfriend
Dragonmark Adept
Dragonmark Battlestrike
Dragonmark Fist
Dragonmark Luck
Dragonmark Mastery
Dragonmark Prodigy
Dragonmark Rage
Dragonmark Smite
Dragonmark Spellturning
Dragonmark Visionary
Dragonmarked Summoner
Dragon's Insight
Dragon's Toughness
Dragonsong
Dragonthrall
Dragontouched [Draconic]
Dragonwrought
Gold Dragon Lineage [Draconic]
Greater Aberrant Dragonmark
Greater Dragonmark
Half-Dragon Form
Heart of Dragons [Ceremony]
Improved Draconic Aura
Improved Dragon Wings
Least Dragonmark
Lesser Aberrant Dragonmark
Lesser Dragonmark
Mighty Dragonmark
Nightborn Dragonmark
Quicken Dragonmark
Red Dragon Lineage [Draconic]
Servant of a Dragon Ascendant
Silver Dragon Lineage [Draconic]
Unlock Dragonmark
White Dragon Lineage [Draconic]

[Celestia]

Fairly sure separate breath weapons wouldn't be fluff, though.
Each instance of half-dragon gives a breath weapon of the appropriate type. Sure, it's only usable once per day each, but that one time you throw out 56 simultaneous breath weapons is sure to make all the monsters in the world flee to another plane. :smalltongue:

[Hackulator]

I can put all my dragon into a single character.

wait, how did you know what I call my......

nevermind

[daremetoidareyo]

I can put all my dragon into a single character.

wait, how did you know what I call my......

nevermind

Methinks the OP wants moar dragon!

[martixy]

A player in my game is a Half-dragon true gold dragon sorcerer loredrake.

That's a lotta dragon. :)

That's the most dragon I've seen in actual play. Never seen Dragonwrought kobols outside of these board's fascination with them.

[Misery Esquire]

Each instance of half-dragon gives a breath weapon of the appropriate type. Sure, it's only usable once per day each, but that one time you throw out 56 simultaneous breath weapons is sure to make all the monsters in the world flee to another plane. :smalltongue:

With just one head you'd look a bit... Well.

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=38490182

[White Blade]

Fairly sure separate breath weapons wouldn't be fluff, though.

Half-Black Dragon Half-Red Dragon Half White Dragon Half Blue Dragon Young Adult Lernean Five Headed Green Dragon is CR 19, officially, and basically immune to damage, plus it is skilled out its eyes.

By contrast, pocket Bahamaut is an adult Gold Dragon Saint at CR 18.

[Thurbane]

Anyone remember Demodragon from the D&D cartoon?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vt749aV4Y7Q/TQ1JTpaKkOI/AAAAAAAAF20/j6ukIp2U9qA/s1600/demodragon.jpg
Half-Fiend(Farspawn) Half-White Dragon Red Dragon...

Looks like it got "official" 3.5 stats as a CR21 monster in Dungeon #147.