Can warlocks craft psionic items?

[sorcererlover]

In this thread I posted a few days ago: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?536281-Can-Reality-Revision-make-Magic-Items

someone said that according to the Magic Item Compendium, Psionic characters can craft Magic items using Psionic Crafting feats, Psionic Powers, and Manifester levels. So wouldn't the reverse be true as well? Magical characters can craft Psionic items using Magic crafting feats, Spells, and Caster Level? And then warlocks can use Imbue Item and Use Magic Device to substitute the required spells that are substituting the required powers?

So the warlock isn't substituting required psionic powers with UMD. He's substituting the equivalent spells of the required psionic powers with UMD.

Or can he just use UPD? Since psionic and magic are the same thing according to the Magic Item Compendium?

[Venger]

yeah, you can if you want to due to transparency

[RoboEmperor]

yeah, you can if you want to due to transparency

Technically even without transparency you can.

According to the MiC if using the variant psionics are different rule, then the resulting magic item is actually a psionic item. Same effects, just psionic instead of magic.

So likewise you can create psionic items as a spellcaster except those items will be magical items not psionic. So you'll have magical psicrowns manifesting psionic powers as magical spells.

[Sagetim]

Even if the rules are written that way, I don't think that it's fair to interpret them that way. That is to say, it seems fair to assume that someone with Craft Psionic Arms and Armor could use it to make +1-+5 weapons, armor, etc. Even if the rules don't explicitly cover what powers might be required, it wouldn't make sense for the feat to exist if it couldn't do the simple and basic number boosting things that Craft Magic Arms and Armor does.

The disconnect for me arises when you are trying to make psionic items with magic, or magic items with psionics. It's similar to making divine items with arcane magic, or arcane items with divine magic. That doesn't seem to make sense, it doesn't seem like it Should work that way. Imbue item is suppose to let you spoof magic to create magic items, and the pacts available run the gamut of fey and outsiders and things beyond, where the line between arcane and divine could get a bit blurry, especially if you start taking prestige class levels to become a celestial pact warlock. But at no point does it seem like this touches on the realm of 'the power of your own mind'. Warlock stuff is pact magic, it comes from an outside source because you made a deal with someone/thing and it's supplying you. Now, if your patron is psionic in addition to being whatever it is that it could make a pact with you, then you might have some leeyway to work with. But otherwise I'm just not seeing this as making sense in most settings in 3.5.

[RoboEmperor]

The disconnect for me arises when you are trying to make psionic items with magic, or magic items with psionics.

The problem here is that the rules explicitly say you can make magic items with psionic. No jumping through hoops, no rule lawyering. Direct quote. here it is:


PSIONICS AND CRAFTING
MAGIC ITEMS
Many of the items in this book can also be created by a character with the appropriate psionic item creation feat. For the purpose of meeting item prerequisites, a character who has the Craft Psionic Arms and Armor feat is treated ashaving Craft Magic Arms and Armor. Likewise, a character who has Craft Universal Item meets the feat prerequisite for items that require Craft Wondrous Item.
If an item includes a spell prerequisite, but the effect of the item does not directly implement that spell, then a psionic power of similar flavor can be substituted. If the item replicates a spell effect, then only the psionic version of that spell or a psionic power that replicates the same effect can be used to satisfy the prerequisite. For example, a character can create a helm of teleportation using psionic teleport as a power prerequisite, or energy burst as a power to create a necklace of fireballs.
The prerequisites of some items, such as the eldritch blast required for gauntlets of eldritch energy, have no psionic equivalent, and so cannot be created by a psionic character without the aid of a character who does meet the requirement.
If you are using the Psionics Is Different variant (EPH 65), then an item created by a psionic character using a psionic item creation feat would be a psionic item. The guidelines given above should be used to determine the psionic item’s feat and power prerequisites.

The reason for this rule is so that psionic characters can utilize the MiC. Otherwise they really are just stuck with Expanded Psionics Handbook and Complete Psi.

[Psyren]

someone said that according to the Magic Item Compendium, Psionic characters can craft Magic items using Psionic Crafting feats, Psionic Powers, and Manifester levels. So wouldn't the reverse be true as well?

Perhaps it should be, but RAW it's a one-way street. Psionics can use "similar flavor" powers along with the psionic versions of CWI and CMAM to make magical items, but nothing allows spellcasters to do the same save things like Wish. This would get in the way of a Warlock doing something similar.


Or can he just use UPD? Since psionic and magic are the same thing according to the Magic Item Compendium?

Transparency doesn't apply to skills. Which is why UMD and UPD are separate, Psicraft and Spellcraft are separate, Know Arcana and Know Psionics are separate etc. It also doesn't apply to feats, which is why metamagic feats are separate from metapsionic feats, they have their own crafting etc. Psionics was explicitly thrown a bone, that's all.