Preferred Character Round Robin: BELKAR vs O-CHUL

[alwaysbebatman]

LG vs CE


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[Potatomade]

O-CHUL

Literally the two most opposite characters in the entire comic. One's a paladin paragon of Good, the other's a psychotic, ultraviolent, womanizing monster. It's like Captain America vs Alex DeLarge. The fact that they could even exist in the same space without immediately killing each other is kind of amazing.

[Synesthesy]

Belkar Bitterleaf, aka Little Death's Helper.

[martianmister]

O-Chul

Need to say more?

[Arkku]

I vote Belkar.

[Hamste]

I do quite like them both. I'm going to vote O-Chul.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

O-Chul, naturally.

[137beth]

This one's tough, but I'm going to go with O-Chul.

[Sylian]

O-Chul gets my vote.

[littlebum2002]

Is it just me, or are these round robin rounds the hardest? Every one is a matchup between two characters I like almost equally.

I;m gonna go with O-Chul

[MikelaC1]

Belkar without a doubt

[Fincher]

I vote Belkar.

[lunaticfringe]

Belkar gets my vote.

[2D8HP]

With respect to "Scarface", I feel I must nod for:

"A beloved character", "Hipster tool", "Team Player", "Hobbit fajita", "A bumbling sidekick", "A seasoned warrior", "A sexy shoeless god of cooking", "A SEXY SHOELESS GOD OF WAR", "Robespierre",'The 8th dwarf, "Stabby"', "Still alive","The Belkster", "The most badass halfling EVER", "Daddy", "The Handsome Halfling", "A man with a REAL class", "Ali S. Fakenamington", "Badass ranger", "Brokeass ranger", "The New and Improved"

Belkar Bitterleaf!

[Peelee]

O-Chul, obviously.

[Joerg]

O-Chul. Though it's surprisingly close seeing that Belkar has some character development now.

[Gift Jeraff]

Belkon Bitterleaf

[alwaysbebatman]

Close, so far. 9/7, O-Chul.

[JBiddles]

O-Chul.

It's closer than it used to be - Belkar has become a lot more interesting, and O-Chul's last appearance was lackluster - but still.

[LadyEowyn]

Easy. Voting for O-Chul.

[Laurana]

Belkar Bitterleaf

[dps]

I'll go with Belkar.

[Debbie_D1]

Belkar for the win

[Bobb]

Let's hear it for Oooooo-CHUL!!

[Goaty14]

Belkar Bitterleaf

On another note, Ranger > Paladin. Only thing that Paladin does better than Ranger is d10 hit die.

[Peelee]

On another note, Ranger > Paladin. Only thing that Paladin does better than Ranger is d10 hit die.

And fight. And heal.

[Hamste]

And fight. And heal.

As well as resist anything that gives saves and survive being stabbed. I guess Ranger is better at specializing against one type of enemy, tracking or being stealthy. Admittedly I have always hated ranger so I'm extremely biased.

[Goaty14]

And fight. And heal.

The ranger can also fight and heal.


As well as resist anything that gives saves and survive being stabbed. I guess Ranger is better at specializing against one type of enemy, tracking or being stealthy. Admittedly I have always hated ranger so I'm extremely biased.

What can survive being stabbed...? Ranger has the STR based TWF and swift hunter (making a 1 level dip and a feat go a long way). Admittedly; I've never liked paladins.

[Chei]

O-Chul. Though it's not like I want him to gut Belkar with his hands or nothing.

[alwaysbebatman]

Technically, PeeLee never said Rangers can't fight and heal. Just that Paladins fight and heal better.

[Peelee]

The ranger can also fight and heal.

Did I ever say they couldn't? You said paladins were only better than rangers in one way. I quoted that, and posted two more. If you refuse to understand your own initial argument, I can hardly be blamed.

[lunaticfringe]

Belkar Bitterleaf

On another note, Ranger > Paladin. Only thing that Paladin does better than Ranger is d10 hit die.

Hey now they are way better at telling other people their fun is wrong, ruining plots & story arcs with a 1st level ability, and becoming severely nerfed for genuine moments of mortal weakness than Rangers. =P

[Doxkid]

O-chul, easily.

[Necrus Philius]

Belkar, has to be. While o-chul may be my favorite type of paladin, belkar is the only SEXY SHOELESS GOD OF WAR!

[Peelee]

Belkar, has to be. While o-chul may be my favorite type of paladin, belkar is the only SEXY SHOELESS GOD OF WAR!

And yet an idiot Bard's hand puppet is more of a god than him.

[alwaysbebatman]

It's still a close one. 14/12 O-Chul.

[Kantaki]

O-Chul.:smallcool:

[keybounce]

Belkar.

890

[Ruck]

Almost forgot about this one. I have a soft spot for Comedy Gold, so my vote goes to the little guy.

[Rogan]

Wow, this is hard...
CE or LG?

No vote, for now

[Helluin]

O-Chul :smallamused:

[Dellis]

Last time I could've broke the sudden death and didn't, this time I'll vote. Atonement.

Belkar Bitterleaf!

[Lombard]

Hard to decide... tie goes to Belkar for me as imo this comic owes a lot more to Belkar than it realizes.

[alwaysbebatman]

16 All! About 24 hours left!

[recneps]

Mr. Stiffly might be one of two tolerable paladins displayed in the series.. Except the servant of gods cannae compare with a god. Belkar. :smallfurious:

[Peelee]

Mr. Stiffly might be one of two tolerable paladins displayed in the series.. Except the servant of gods cannae compare with a god. Belkar. :smallfurious:

Again, less powerful god than an actual, factual puppet.

[Hamste]

Again, less powerful god than an actual, factual puppet.

*less divine god than a puppet.

I'm pretty sure Belkar could take the puppet in a 1 on 1 god fight (possibly even in a fight against all the puppet's followers as well given Elan is still pretty support even with the prc and I doubt the orcs could stand against Belkar). It might be tough as I don't think Belkar has favored enemy: Puppet but he would probably eventually win.

[RatElemental]

While O-Chul threatened to gut (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0666.html) Belkar with his bare hands, I'm quite sure based on his dynamic with the Mitd that he would be all aboard the redemption train (if he were somehow convinced that Belkar had actually boarded it).

However... well, I'm abstaining from this one. For now, at least.

[Sylian]

While O-Chul threatened to gut (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0666.html) Belkar with his bare hands[...]Likely an exaggeration. He might punish Belkar in some way, but he probably wouldn't flat out kill Belkar.

It would be really interesting to see some more O-Chul/Belkar interaction, especially now that Belkar might be on the path towards redemption.

[Brion]

Definitely Belkar.

[Potatomade]

*less divine god than a puppet.

I'm pretty sure Belkar could take the puppet in a 1 on 1 god fight (possibly even in a fight against all the puppet's followers as well given Elan is still pretty support even with the prc and I doubt the orcs could stand against Belkar). It might be tough as I don't think Belkar has favored enemy: Puppet but eventually get through.

Oh man, now I'm actually imagining a scenario where Banjo, Belkar, and maybe the Dark One wind up in a new pantheon. Redcloak would have to acknowledge/tacitly worship a puppet god and one of the PCs!


Edit: Also, you abstaining people (for now, at least)! THERE'S LESS THAN 24 HOURS LEFT! No abstaining, get cracking! O-CHUUUUUL!!!

[B. Dandelion]

O-Chul for sure.

[alwaysbebatman]

18/17 Belkar. Only a few hours left...

[Sencara]

Created an account just so I can vote.

Belkar!

[Thorongil]

Here's one for the world's best tracker under 4 feet tall.

Belkar

[Peelee]

Here's one for the world's best tracker under 4 feet tall.

I do not think that word means what you think it means (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0213.html).

[Potatomade]

No!!! Why are my spirits always broken at the last minute!?

[MikelaC1]

Go Team Belkar, hold on. I mean seriously, a member of the central cast of the comic vs. a paladin who isnt even the leader of the paladin faction?

[alwaysbebatman]

Belkar wins by 1, as usual. 19/18 Belkar.

[Laurana]

Belkar wins by 1, as usual. 19/18 Belkar.

Huh? After your 18/17 statement I count two votes for Belkar. So shouldn't that be 20/17?

[alwaysbebatman]

You are quite right. I don't know what happened there. Yes, 20/17 Belkar.

[drazen]

O-Chul. Though it's not like I want him to gut Belkar with his hands or nothing.

O-Chul. I don't need him to gut Belkar, but I would probably enjoy watching O-Chul beat the stuffing out of the halfling a little more than is entirely healthy.

[Liquor Box]

O-Chul. I don't need him to gut Belkar, but I would probably enjoy watching O-Chul beat the stuffing out of the halfling a little more than is entirely healthy.

Do you think O-Chul could beat the stuffing out of Belkar?

I don't think so. Both are martial classes, but Belkar is probably higher level than O-Chul.

[Hamste]

Do you think O-Chul could beat the stuffing out of Belkar?

I don't think so. Both are martial classes, but Belkar is probably higher level than O-Chul.

O-Chul's paladin levels are pretty worthless due to them dumping charisma (against Belkar it essentially gives a few extra points of damage once from the smite) and possibly a first level paladin spell. His main advantage is an extremely high con and fighter feats.

Meanwhile, Belkar is a dual wielding halfling with several strange feat expenditures, rage and favored enemy (human). Belkar's level is estimated to be 2 more than O-Chul's according to class and geekery thread. He also presumably has many more magic items than O-Chul considering he was recently freed.

Belkar probably wins unless O-Chul spent his feats quite well. Favored enemy (human), rage and power attack with two weapon fighting is pretty good damage in the OOTS universe where feats are spent liberally and synergy is not that common. Meanwhile O-Chul has a heap of health, no class features and a bunch of feats. He does pretty good damage being capable of seriously hurting Redcloak with nothing but a metal bar but at the same time Redcloak's AC and health may just suck with out buffs as he is a very casting focused cleric.

[Liquor Box]

O-Chul's paladin levels are pretty worthless due to them dumping charisma (against Belkar it essentially gives a few extra points of damage once from the smite) and possibly a first level paladin spell. His main advantage is an extremely high con and fighter feats.

Meanwhile, Belkar is a dual wielding halfling with several strange feat expenditures, rage and favored enemy (human). Belkar's level is estimated to be 2 more than O-Chul's according to class and geekery thread. He also presumably has many more magic items than O-Chul considering he was recently freed.

Belkar probably wins unless O-Chul spent his feats quite well. Favored enemy (human), rage and power attack with two weapon fighting is pretty good damage in the OOTS universe where feats are spent liberally and synergy is not that common. Meanwhile O-Chul has a heap of health, no class features and a bunch of feats. He does pretty good damage being capable of seriously hurting Redcloak with nothing but a metal bar but at the same time Redcloak's AC and health may just suck with out buffs as he is a very casting focused cleric.

Good analysis, I didn't know Belkar had favoured enemy (human). That alongside probably higher level and his better magic item selection (a reasonable assumption, as you say) make me think Belkar has a clear advantage, unless O-Chul has some goodness (optimisation - which, as you say, is uncommon) that we don't know about.