3.5e Chaotic Chaos Gnome Sorcerer(help me make the most Chaotic spell caster).

[BloodSnake'sCha]

Hello guys :)

I want your help with making my PC more Chaotic then the plane of Chaos.

I am a Chaos Gnome Sorcerer at level 3 and I am going to take sea witch at level 4, Ruathar at level 5(Trading Weapon Proficiency for Metamagic feat) and starting to take wild mage at level 6(we will get at level 4 one free feat that have to be one of the save or skill feats).

This is my build:

Abilities:
6 Str
16 Dex
14 Con
12 Int
10 Wis
20 Cha

Aligned Spellcaster - all spell are Chaos spells and +1 CL VS Lawful and +2 CL VS Lawful Subtype.
Spells:
0:
1.Mending 2.Read Magic 3.Detect Magic 4.Light 5.Message
1:
1.Color Spray 2.Charm Person 3.Orb of Sound, Lesser

Flaws:
Wild
Love of Nature

feats:
LV 1 - Versatile Spellcaster 2 spell slots -> 1 spell slot+1
Flaw 1 - Spell Focus (Chaos) +1 DC
Flaw 2 - Greater Spell Focus (Chaos) +1 DC
LV 3 - Ancestral Relic(Runestaff - Spell level*Spell level*400+Spell level*Spell level*200+Spell level*Spell level*200)
Web 2/D + Wall of Smoke 2/D
items:
Wand of Nerveskitter 750gp 50use-49
Hand of the Mage 900
Wand of Protection From Law 375 25use
Spell component pouch

All 3.5e is fine, Magazine stuff is ok and no homebrew.

[Nifft]

Drop both spell focus feats, acquire Chaotic Spell Recall instead. For the prereq, I personally like Cloak of the Obyrith.

That feat is the main reason why people place such a high value on Aligned Spellcaster (Chaos).

You can't qualify for Sea Witch at level 4, and you shouldn't want to since it's a poor class.

Since getting more spells back is good, use your extra feats for more [Abyssal Heritor] feats.

Versatile Spellcasting is good.

Obtain Familiar might be a better level 3 choice, though. You can't actually use the specified Ancestral Relic until you hit 4th level.

[BloodSnake'sCha]

Drop both spell focus feats, acquire Chaotic Spell Recall instead. For the prereq, I personally like Cloak of the Obyrith.

That feat is the main reason why people place such a high value on Aligned Spellcaster (Chaos).

You can't qualify for Sea Witch at level 4, and you shouldn't want to since it's a poor class.

Since getting more spells back is good, use your extra feats for more [Abyssal Heritor] feats.

Versatile Spellcasting is good.

Obtain Familiar might be a better level 3 choice, though. You can't actually use the specified Ancestral Relic until you hit 4th level.
I don't think I can take it.

Any one Abyssal heritor feat, ability to prepare and cast spells.
About the sea witch, I can get it but it will take some cheese to use(I just now noticed the spell requirements), I will drop it(A poor class is better than the nothing the sorcerer give me).

And I can use my Ancestral Relic at level 3, I just need to use the rules from MiC to make it cheaper(less uses per day, one level 2 for 2 times a day is 2*2*300).

[Nifft]

I don't think I can take it. Oh snap! Good point, I missed that bit.

Well, I guess that's just another reason why Wizards are always better at everything. :vaarsuvius:


About the sea witch, I can get it but it will take some cheese to use(I just now noticed the spell requirements), I will drop it(A poor class is better than the nothing the sorcerer give me). Look away from the ocean, towards the desert.

1+ levels of Sand Shaper is awesome for a Sorcerer. You can qualify early-ish thanks to your Chaos caster level boosts. You'll need to spend 250 gp for the material to get the Touchstone feat, probably at level 3. Ooo... and you'll need to be Chaotic Neutral instead of Chaotic Good.


And I can use my Ancestral Relic at level 3, I just need to use the rules from MiC to make it cheaper(less uses per day, one level 2 for 2 times a day is 2*2*300). Sure you can have one, but you can't cast level 2 spells from it until you have level 2 spell slots.

Versatile Spellcaster allows you to spend two lower slots to cast a higher level spell, but it doesn't actually give you a higher level slot. You don't know any level 2 spells, so you can't spend 2x level 1 slots for anything. (It's still a great feat because you can spend level 0 slots to cast level 1 spells, and that's amazing, but it won't let you upcast to break spells known limitations.)

[BloodSnake'sCha]

Oh snap! Good point, I missed that bit.

Well, I guess that's just another reason why Wizards are always better at everything. :vaarsuvius:

Look away from the ocean, towards the desert.

1+ levels of Sand Shaper is awesome for a Sorcerer. You can qualify early-ish thanks to your Chaos caster level boosts. You'll need to spend 250 gp for the material to get the Touchstone feat, probably at level 3. Ooo... and you'll need to be Chaotic Neutral instead of Chaotic Good.

Sure you can have one, but you can't cast level 2 spells from it until you have level 2 spell slots.

Versatile Spellcaster allows you to spend two lower slots to cast a higher level spell, but it doesn't actually give you a higher level slot. You don't know any level 2 spells, so you can't spend 2x level 1 slots for anything. (It's still a great feat because you can spend level 0 slots to cast level 1 spells, and that's amazing, but it won't let you upcast to break spells known limitations.)
Because this PC will become an NPC at level ~7 I don't want to lose spell casting so I will not take Sand Shaper as it lose one spell casting level at level 1(A bad 1 level dip for me).

Well, it look like the runestuff do give me extra spell known.

Runestaffs benefit all arcane spellcasters, but are of greatest use to spontaneous casters with unfixed lists, such as bards and sorcerers. A wizard might find it useful to be able to default to evocation spells, allowing her to memorize more esoteric spells. A sorcerer or bard, however, derives even more benefit because the staff significantly increases her spells known. Even though the spells on a runestaff cannot be used more than three times per day (or less, in some cases), the items still significantly increase the versatility of spontaneous casters. When a runestaff doesn't fit a particular adventure, a character can choose to attune herself to a different staff, relinquishing her connection to the first item (or replacing it entirely).
This is from here (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ps/20070216a)

Versatile Spellcaster only say I need to know the spell and the runestuff let me know it

You can use two spell slots of the same level to cast a spell you know that is one level higher. For example, a sorcerer with this feat can expend two 2nd-level spell slots to cast any 3rd-level spell he knows.

[ATHATH]

Are you married to being a Sorcerer instead of a Wizard?

Because if not, a Wizard with the Aligned Spellcaster (Chaos) ACF, the Abyssal Specialist ACF, the Focused Specialist ACF, and the Chaotic Spell Recall feat might be a nice option.

[Nifft]

Because this PC will become an NPC at level ~7 I don't want to lose spell casting so I will not take Sand Shaper as it lose one spell casting level at level 1(A bad 1 level dip for me).

Well, it look like the runestuff do give me extra spell known.

This is from here (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ps/20070216a)

Unfortunately, you need to use the whole text, not just the one line of flavor text that (out of context) would do what you want.

This rules text can also be found on the URL you posted:

When an arcane spellcaster is attuned to a runestaff, she can substitute any of the spells stored in the runestaff for a prepared spell or spell slot of equal or greater level. She must have the spell on her spell list and be of sufficient level to cast it (...)


You're not sufficient level to cast a 2nd level spell.

You don't have a 2nd level spell slot.

Versatile Spellcaster does not create 2nd level spell slots.

You cannot use your Runestaff's level 2 spells until you can cast as a Sorcerer 4.

Having a Runestaff is great, and really does improve a caster's versatility, but it doesn't allow you to break the spell level ceiling.

[BloodSnake'sCha]

Are you married to being a Sorcerer instead of a Wizard?

Because if not, a Wizard with the Aligned Spellcaster (Chaos) ACF, the Abyssal Specialist ACF, the Focused Specialist ACF, and the Chaotic Spell Recall feat might be a nice option.

I am locked on sorcerer and I already started to play with her(her name is Lire).

I was planning something but then I saw the wild mage and fall in love so I came to ask for advice.
(At the game I was really liked to be totally chaotic and I made the party like it).

This is a PC I play from level 3 to 7 because I am the DM(After level 7 she will be an NPC with a chaos artifact).
A player from the group DMing for one adventure because I need some rest and he want to run something he made(he was the DM two games ago, he and another veteran we have help me not make mistakes that can ruin the fun).



a cut!

I did miss it, thank you for showing it to me.