Need a char build

[Godlycomplec]

I need a character build with an Elan beguiler, 1prepared arcane class, Ultimate magus, master specialist, and mind bender. Upto at least lvl 15.

My DM is rather strict about following rules so the criteria is as follows.

Core books
Faerún setting books
Tsr supplimentals like complete series
No Dragon magazine or web sources

He's pretty strict about shenanigans and believes in a concept of "intended use" so I could use the help to make this build viable.
He did( to my surprise) approve of allowing beguiler qualify for the specialist requirement of MS.

I'm a bit noobish on this stuff so if you can post the source you get skills/feats from I'd appreciate it. Need a refrence point for the DM.

Thank you in advance.

[noob]

Conjuration specialist wizard is quite awesome at low level.
There might be other int based prepared arcane casters but wizard is quite nice.
Level 5 in ultimate magus is one of the good points to exit it together with level 3.
You might want practiced spellcaster and/or illuminian(tome of magic).
you probably want to have the master specialist capstone as fast as possible if you picked up conjuration(but you can not if you want to have that many prcs).
it would work with the following build stuf: beguiler 1/wizard 3/master specialist 1(progressing wizard)/Ultimate magus 3(progressing wizard)/mindbender 1(you can swap mindbender and ultimate magus)/the rest in master specialist or ultimate magus
If the ultimate magus thing is very important for you you might save a feat by dropping master specialist.
if the beguiler side is more important for you than the wizard side you might drop the ultimate magus thing and then take master specialist.

[Godlycomplec]

it would work with the following build stuf: beguiler 1/wizard 3/master specialist 1(progressing wizard)/Ultimate magus 3(progressing wizard)/mindbender 1(you can swap mindbender and ultimate magus)/the rest in master specialist or ultimate magus

Your not the first person I've seen only do a 1 lvl dip into mindbender. Is there a reason for this? I can't see taking a Prc just for the first lvl class skill. I dont think telepathy would be worth the caster lvl youd lose for the dip.

[noob]

The first level gives one caster level(so you lose no caster level from the dip).
http://dnd.arkalseif.info/classes/mindbender/index.html
also there is a feat called mindsight that allows to see every intelligent creature within telepathy range.
and telepathy is very very useful in teamwork.(can speak with allies without risk of the enemies hearing)

[Inevitability]

Your not the first person I've seen only do a 1 lvl dip into mindbender. Is there a reason for this? I can't see taking a Prc just for the first lvl class skill. I dont think telepathy would be worth the caster lvl youd lose for the dip.

First of all, you wouldn't lose a caster level for a single-level dip. Mindbender advances casting at odd levels, including the first.

Secondly, the telepathy can be used to get Mindsight, possibly the best detection feat in the game. It detects invisible creatures, incorporeal creatures, Silenced creatures, creatures behind cover, nonmagically hiding creatures and a ton more, and it gives you some basic information about them. In a game where a surprise round can mean the difference between life and death, this is massively useful.

[Lazymancer]

I need a character build with an Elan beguiler, 1prepared arcane class, Ultimate magus, master specialist, and mind bender. Upto at least lvl 15.
It's not TSR, but WotC.

And, I don't think you are telling us all. Why so many specifics? Why Elan, for example? Why do you need both Master Specialist and Ultimate Magus (those are 10-level classes - i.e. you can't get both to the top)?

Why did you ask for Mindbender, if you don't even know about telepathy/mindsight?

[noob]

Ultimate magus gets one of its coolest metamagic abilities at level 3 which means that you can drop from it.
but since he will stop playing at level 15 then if he takes 3 levels in ultimate magus he can not have the capstone from master specialist and so it is a way less cool prc.
He might try however to focus more on ultimate magus and grabbing feats.
In which case its build could look like:
beguiler 1/wizard 4/ultimate magus X/wizard 1(for the level 5 bonus feat)/mindbender 1

[Godlycomplec]

It's not TSR, but WotC.

And, I don't think you are telling us all. Why so many specifics? Why Elan, for example? Why do you need both Master Specialist and Ultimate Magus (those are 10-level classes - i.e. you can't get both to the top)?

Why did you ask for Mindbender, if you don't even know about telepathy/mindsight?

Well I just ran an Elan psi war and was impressed with the race in general. I,also thought that as an Elan the flavor of it coupled with the classes listed would provide a good story. Plus I'm kinda obsessed with the concept behind Beguiler and mind bender coupled with increased DCs from Ms and using UM kinda like a mana battery..

However I,couldn't figure out how to make the,build work so I'm here. I'm by no means an expert in building characters, at best im more of a straight forward build,kinda guy...

Also up till about 3months ago i always played a dwarf fighter.

[Lazymancer]

Well I just ran an Elan psi war and was impressed with the race in general. I,also thought that as an Elan the flavor of it coupled with the classes listed would provide a good story.
I'm not sure how you missed it, but flavour-wise Elans are very explicitly psionic. They do mind-bending stuff, but they use psionics for it. Attempting to use arcane magic - while being Elan - to do something psionics already does very good, is ... counter-intuitive to put it mildly.

I'd suggest you to go Elan Psion (telepath). With proper selection of powers, you can pull off most of the stuff beguilers do (except for illusions, I guess).

Beguiler also works (its a good choice for new players), but not the way you are trying to use it. For example, Master Specialist does not even progress Beguiler spellcasting (it is exclusively for Wizards).


Plus I'm kinda obsessed with the concept behind Beguiler and mind bender coupled with increased DCs from Ms and using UM kinda like a mana battery..
Caster classes work (or work best) when you make a choice and commit yourself to it, without dipping all over place. Consequently, one of the most famous tenets of optimization is "thou shall not lose caster levels (without very good reason)".

Btw, this is why, as a class, Mindbender doesn't work. Due to horrible caster level progression (which is not compensated by abilities it grants) it is useable only in gestalt builds or as a one-level dip.

Ultimate Magus works (if you do it correctly), but it works if you do not actually play Beguiler - it's when you are playing Wizard who uses spell slots from Beguiler as a fuel.

You need to choose what is your primary class:
1) Psion (telepath)
2) Beguiler
3) Wizard

[Godlycomplec]

Hmm, I did read once about a cerbermancer Prc.

Wonder how that would work?... Do something like a psi war /beguiler PrC cerbermancer/Dragon disciple.....obviously i really haven't a clue about caster builds other than what I've seen others play. I'm at your mercy here to come up with(teach me if you would) something reasonable.

[Godlycomplec]

First of all, you wouldn't lose a caster level for a single-level dip. Mindbender advances casting at odd levels, including the first.

Sorry..when I looked at it I thought it read lvl advance every even level.

I also was not aware of the mindsight feat.

[Godlycomplec]

Btw, this is why, as a class, Mindbender doesn't work. Due to horrible caster level progression (which is not compensated by abilities it grants) it is useable only in gestalt builds or as a one-level dip.

I thought ppl took feats like practiced spellcater or was it spellcasting prodigy To fix that? I didn't look them up only remember those two were used in some conjunction to fix level adjustments for spells.

[Rebel7284]

If you want to use Ultimate Magus for metamagic (and it's the best feature in my opinion), you really need as many levels as you can because:

The level of the spell to be augmented can't exceed 1/2 your class level. For example, when you first gain this ability, you can only apply a metamagic effect to 1st-level spells. A 10th-level ultimate magus can affect spells of 5th level or lower.

So your build becomes Beguiler 1/Wizard 3/X 1/Ultimate Magus 10/

While X can be Master Specialist, you would only gain Skill Focus (Spellcraft), which isn't that great (unless you're an Incantatrix I guess).
You can, of course, have that Mindbender dip at level 16.

It's probably best to use Quicken Spell for your go-to metamagic.
Persistent Spell is more powerful, but even with Practical Metamagic feat, it's still a +5 metamagic and you only have 4th level Beguiler spells to sacrifice. There are ways to make it work with Halruaan Elder dip and such, but anything that gives access to circle magic is cheesy and it also requires some pretty specific roleplaying (petitioning a council, etc.)

[Lazymancer]

I thought ppl took feats like practiced spellcater or was it spellcasting prodigy To fix that? I didn't look them up only remember those two were used in some conjunction to fix level adjustments for spells.
Practices Spellcaster boosts caster level (numerical effects of spells), but does not grant you more spell slots to cast spells.

I.e. it will allow you to cast Magic Missile as strong as the real caster can cast it, but real caster will be able to cast Fireball.

[noob]

If you want spell slot nonsense you can try the following totally legit level 15 build:
step 1:take 10000 levels in all the classes.(that is relatively quick with pathfinder negative levels and the artificer class you can do that at level 4)
Step 2: become the spawn of an undead
step 3: have your master die and then take that prc that allows to get back all your class features and feats.
you are now under level 15 and have the class features of someone who have 10000 levels in all the classes and all the feats ever.

You can also try the following:
take levels in all the good classes you want and at each level get ressurected by a low level ressurection spell in order to lose a level in commoner(and so get a more and more negative level in commoner) thereby staying at constant level and getting more and more class features.

[Godlycomplec]

If you want spell slot nonsense you can try the following totally legit level 15 build:
step 1:take 10000 levels in all the classes.(that is relatively quick with pathfinder negative levels and the artificer class you can do that at level 4)
Step 2: become the spawn of an undead
step 3: have your master die and then take that prc that allows to get back all your class features and feats.
you are now under level 15 and have the class features of someone who have 10000 levels in all the classes and all the feats ever.

You can also try the following:
take levels in all the good classes you want and at each level get ressurected by a low level ressurection spell in order to lose a level in commoner(and so get a more and more negative level in commoner) thereby staying at constant level and getting more and more class features.

Lol I'm not trying to break the game,I'm trying to survive.