[3.5] Corrupted Nimblewright

[Thurbane]

So what happens if you apply the Corrupted by the Abyss template (EttDP p.190) to a creature with no Con like a Nimblewright (MM2 p.162)?

Does it become an Aberration with Con "-"? Does it get assigned some kind of Con score? Does the type pyramid mean it can't become an Aberration?

How would this all work?

Cheers - T

[Rizban]

I'd say that if the type pyramid applies, then it's type doesn't change, it's Con stays null, and everything else applies as is legal.

If the type pyramid doesn't apply, then good luck, my friend.
I'd probably end up treating it like Incarnate Construct and rolling for Con if it ceased to be a Construct and had no rule governing it.

[Inevitability]

There isn't a rule that prohibits aberrations from not having a constitution score, just one that dictates all constructs don't have one. There isn't a rules conflict here.

[ShurikVch]

Well, Corrupted Flesh Golem (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/eo/20040904a) is
an Aberration with Con "-"

[Thurbane]

I was wanting it to become an Aberration so that it can take the Rapidstrike/Improved Rapidstrike feats for its rapier hands...


There isn't a rule that prohibits aberrations from not having a constitution score, just one that dictates all constructs don't have one. There isn't a rules conflict here.


Well, Corrupted Flesh Goem (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/eo/20040904a) is
an Aberration with Con "-"

Perfect, that's the kind of citation I was looking for. :smallsmile:

[ExLibrisMortis]

I was wanting it to become an Aberration so that it can take the Rapidstrike/Improved Rapidstrike feats for its rapier hands...
I like your thinking :smallwink:.

[Clistenes]

Well, Corrupted Flesh Goem (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/eo/20040904a) is

It seems the Corrupted Flesh Golem losses all Construc Traits... so it can be diseased, poisoned, drained, stunned, charmed... etc? Does it need to breathe, sleep and eat?

And anyways... how can anything be alive without a Constitution score? You die when your Con score reaches 0.

If the Corrupted Flesh Golem can live without a Constitution score, I think it isn't really alive and it should keep all Construct traits and immunities...

[Thurbane]

Nonabilities
Some creatures lack certain ability scores. These creatures do not have an ability score of 0—they lack the ability altogether. The modifier for a nonability is +0. Other effects of nonabilities are detailed below.

Constitution
Any living creature has at least 1 point of Constitution. A creature with no Constitution has no body or no metabolism. It is immune to any effect that requires a Fortitude save unless the effect works on objects or is harmless. The creature is also immune to ability damage, ability drain, and energy drain, and automatically fails Constitution checks. A creature with no Constitution cannot tire and thus can run indefinitely without tiring (unless the creature’s description says it cannot run).


...it's a weird situation for sure.

[ShurikVch]

It seems the Corrupted Flesh Golem losses all Construc Traits... so it can be diseased, poisoned, drained, stunned, charmed... etc? Does it need to breathe, sleep and eat?No; loss of Construct Traits SQ doesn't cause loss of Constitution nonability (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#constitution)



And anyways... how can anything be alive without a Constitution score?You can't; the very definition of "Living (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/glossary&term=Glossary_dnd_living&alpha=)" is "to have a Con score"



You die when your Con score reaches 0."Con -" ≠ "Con 0"

[Clistenes]

...it's a weird situation for sure.

Even Living Spells get a Constitution score...

[Thurbane]

Even Living Spells get a Constitution score...

I assume a Corrupted Nimblewright is a "non-living" Aberration.

[Jowgen]

I assume a Corrupted Nimblewright is a "non-living" Aberration.

This. If there can be such a thing as living objects immune to disintegrate, why shouldn't there can be non-living creatures that aren't undead (edit: or a construct, or deathless)?

[Rizban]

Well, Corrupted Flesh Goem (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/eo/20040904a) is

Huh. I thought I was pretty familiar with the web articles, but I somehow missed this article completely over the years. Thanks for the link.

[Nifft]

I assume a Corrupted Nimblewright is a "non-living" Aberration.

One might even call it an abnormally aberrant aberration.

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That said, I think it might retain Construct traits.