You and me baby we ain't nothin but mammals

[Malapterus]

So let's assign spell targets accordingly

I need to know, does a wildshaped druid count as an animal for the purpose of spells that target animals?

I.E. if I wildshape, can I cast Animal Growth on myself?

If someone casts Speak with Animals, can I speak to them?

If I kill a treant in a forest and there's no one around to hear it, do I still get XP?

[Deophaun]

Does wildshape say it changes the Druid's type? No? Then it doesn't.

[Zanos]

More specifically, wild shape functions as alternate form (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#alternateForm) per the latest errata, which says:


The creature retains the type and subtype of its original form.

Since the Druid does not change types, they can't be targeted by spells that don't target their type. So unless your Druid is already an animal somehow, you're out of luck.

[Goaty14]

Aspect of the Wolf (lvl 1 drd/rgr spell) does change your type to animal, so there's that.

[Malapterus]

Aspect of the Wolf (lvl 1 drd/rgr spell) does change your type to animal, so there's that.

Huzzah, a work-around!

[Dimers]

Since the Druid does not change types, they can't be targeted by spells that don't target their type. So unless your Druid is already an animal somehow, you're out of luck.

Consolation prize: You can still get a casting of enlarge person on ya.

[Malapterus]

Consolation prize: You can still get a casting of enlarge person on ya.

Enlarge Person is crap and only good for getting stuff off the top shelf

[Zanos]

Enlarge Person is crap and only good for getting stuff off the top shelf
Increasing the damage dice and reach of your natural weapons isn't bad.

[Necroticplague]

So let's assign spell targets accordingly

I need to know, does a wildshaped druid count as an animal for the purpose of spells that target animals?

I.E. if I wildshape, can I cast Animal Growth on myself?

If someone casts Speak with Animals, can I speak to them?



Wild Shape (Su): At 5th level, a druid gains the ability to turn herself into any Small or Medium animal and back again once per day. Her options for new forms include all creatures with the animal type. This ability functions like the alternate form special ability, except as noted here. The effect lasts for 1 hour per druid level, or until she changes back. Changing form (to animal or back) is a standard action and doesn’t provoke an attack of opportunity. Each time you use wild shape, you regain lost hit points as if you had rested for a night.

The creature retains the type and subtype of its original form. It gains the size of its new form. If the new form has the aquatic subtype, the creature gains that subtype as well.
Nope. A druid in his Wild Shape is still whatever creature type they were originally. For most PCs, this means they're still Humanoid.

[Crake]

Nope. A druid in his Wild Shape is still whatever creature type they were originally. For most PCs, this means they're still Humanoid.

You were swordsaged on that by about 22 hours.

[Fouredged Sword]

Nothing stops you from casting aspect of the wolf and THEN wildshaping into a desired shape. You retain the animal type from aspect of the wolf but the wildshape should overwrite the form.

[daremetoidareyo]

Nothing stops you from casting aspect of the wolf and THEN wildshaping into a desired shape. You retain the animal type from aspect of the wolf but the wildshape should overwrite the form.

Or casting leap into animal and making a PC Voltron wolf

[Calthropstu]

Or casting leap into animal and making a PC Voltron wolf

...

I am now envisioning 5 dead wolves with their heads cut off placed around some guy limbs and head.

I am making this character now.

[Baby Gary]

I was just having a good day and then I found this thread. There are so many sig worthy quotes!!!!!!!


I am now envisioning 5 dead wolves with their heads cut off placed around some guy limbs and head.


Or casting leap into animal and making a PC Voltron wolf


Enlarge Person is only good for getting stuff off the top shelf

can I sig any of these? also if anyone else wants to take these I am fine with it... well as long as I still get one

[daremetoidareyo]

...

I am now envisioning 5 dead wolves with their heads cut off placed around some guy limbs and head.

I am making this character now.

dvati druid 3

Aspect of the wolf one half of your Dvati self, or both halves if you have the natural spell feat. Then cast leap into animal on yourself with you leaping into the other Dvati half. While you may not be able to cast any spells, once they kill your wolf form, seeing as "Injury to the animal has no effect on you." you just appear in your dead wolf self's square, uninjured.

But seeing as how the animal is yourself, injury to yourself has no effect on you. DM throws book at your head.

But wait, there's more! If your animal companion is a wolf and within 5 feet, you can share the leap into animal with it, and it can leap into you too. We shall call this the Triplewolf.

In fact, if you were favored in house and chain spelled it, you could bring any number of additional animals (Let's just assume that it's all wolves) into yourself, drop out of an airblimp, explode on impact, delivering a carnival of terror onto your opponents.

In fact, if you take brew potion at third level, and natural spell at 1st and make a wand of leap into animal, you can get your monk and barbarian PCs to drink potions of aspect of the wolf, and you can, after using aspect of the wolf on half of yourself, use a wand of leap into animal to collect the class abilities of the barbarian and monk and warblade into your immune to damage wolf form with paradox spell casting (in)abilities.

So if you were a Dvati Druid 3/Whirlpounce barbarian 2/warblade1, you'de be able to smash face as a wolf ninja with two lives. After your aspect of the wolf half is defeated by the DM's book cracking you in the face and likely ad hoc ruling that the opponents can kill their way through your aspect of the wolf half by dealing half your HP in damage, you deliver yourself and your animal companion into the fray. It would appear to outside observers that you cut the wolf in half and it was replaced by two wolves.

Heres the thing about having all these cohabitants...they get actions. They can mentally direct the animal that they've lept into, (YOU) and you are protected by the fact that you can ignore suicidal actions. So let your wolf do some more tripping on its turn, then you do some whirlpouncy.

If you want to get really crazy, if you had 2 pair of Dvati...you could make a Wolf Matryoshka doll.

2 pair of Dvati druid 3 with natural spell could all turn into aspects of the wolf, then leap into the other pair along with their animal companions. Then use a wand to leap them into each other. TRIPLE-DECKER SEXTUPLE WOLF. Every time you cut one down, it is replaced by two and then three more wolves.

Now if the two pair of Dvati were druid 3/paladin of neutral 5 with natural spell, then you can get the war mount in on the action with your share spell ability, which opens all kinds of cool doors to turn your mount into a wolf that you can jump into. Depending on your reading of how a mount gains bonus HD as a class feature, you might be able to justify be able to use feats that your warhorse knows.

[Deophaun]

-snip-
The above requires you to be wearing this:
https://i.imgur.com/vqPBal4.jpg

[heavyfuel]

Consolation prize: You can still get a casting of enlarge person on ya.

So if a wizard casts Enlarge Person on a not wildshaped Druid who then wildshapes into a Black Bear, does he become a Large Black Bear?

What if the druid was already wildshaped? Does he get a size increase?

[Fouredged Sword]

So if a wizard casts Enlarge Person on a not wildshaped Druid who then wildshapes into a Black Bear, does he become a Large Black Bear?

What if the druid was already wildshaped? Does he get a size increase?

Yes. The effect of the shape change and the effect of enlarge person stack.

[eggynack]

Yes. The effect of the shape change and the effect of enlarge person stack.
To be clear, they stack in the sense that wild shape does not interfere with enlarge person's capacity to get you up a size category. However, they may not stack if you're taking a form larger than your own, because, "Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack." Whether wild shape constitutes a magical effect that increases size is a bit ambiguous, but I tend to think that it does.

[Fouredged Sword]

It is not clear to me that wildshape is a size changing effect. It can give you a larger or smaller form, but that is a shapechanging effect. I see it the same as unsing an enhancent bonus to attack or damage and stacking that with an enhancememt bonus to strength. Because the second is effecting your other bonuses indirectly they stack even if enhancement bonuses expressly do not stack.

[Zanos]

It's a magical effect that changes your size. They don't stack.

[Malapterus]

I was just having a good day and then I found this thread. There are so many sig worthy quotes!!!!!!!







can I sig any of these? also if anyone else wants to take these I am fine with it... well as long as I still get one

Go for it, I could use the street cred

[Calthropstu]

I was just having a good day and then I found this thread. There are so many sig worthy quotes!!!!!!!







can I sig any of these? also if anyone else wants to take these I am fine with it... well as long as I still get one

Feel free.

[Rijan_Sai]

Two quick points (that likely add no value to the thread...):
1)

But wait, there's more! If your animal companion is a wolf and within 5 feet, you can share the leap into animal with it, and it can leap into you too. We shall call this the Triplewolf.
If you can find some way to get all three head out and usable, you may call it Fluffy! (Animal Growth to taste!) Seriously! There has to be some way to do this!


In fact, if you were favored in house and chain spelled it, you could bring any number of additional animals (Let's just assume that it's all wolves) into yourself, drop out of an airblimp, explode on impact, delivering a carnival of terror onto your opponents.
Add fire, and complete the K'sharra Prophecy (http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Sheogorath)!

...the rest of that made my head implode, so that's all I've got!

[Dimers]

dvati druid 3

I thank you from the bottom of my funnybone. :smallsmile: