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Aximili
2007-08-21, 10:21 PM
I heard that the 4e player's handbook cover art has already been released (or leaked). Was I missinformed, or can anyone link me to it?

kpenguin
2007-08-21, 10:22 PM
It was in the presentation video, I believe. Just watch it and you'll see the picture.

Matthew
2007-08-22, 02:58 AM
Here you go:

http://xs218.xs.to/xs218/07336/34574578.jpg

Starsinger
2007-08-22, 03:20 AM
Here you go:

http://xs218.xs.to/xs218/07336/34574578.jpg

Oh Matthew! As usual you somehow bring a smile to my face.

Side note, I'm madly inlove with those covers, much prettier than 3.X's.

kpenguin
2007-08-22, 03:26 AM
Side note, I'm madly inlove with those covers, much prettier than 3.X's.

Indeed. The 3.5 covers might have been interesting, but these guys truly draw you attention.

Swooper
2007-08-22, 04:36 AM
I dunno, I kind of liked the leather-bound-gem-studded tome look 3rd Edition had going, but I guess they're nice, if a bit Eberron-esque. Absent minded speculation: Books for players will be blue, books for DMs will be red and monster books will be green.

Matthew
2007-08-22, 04:44 AM
Oh Matthew! As usual you somehow bring a smile to my face.

Hey, I live to serve.

Interestingly, I have heard that these covers may be homages to earlier editions, but I am yet to track down any images to support that assertion.

Overlard
2007-08-22, 04:55 AM
I dunno, I kind of liked the leather-bound-gem-studded tome look 3rd Edition had going, but I guess they're nice, if a bit Eberron-esque. Absent minded speculation: Books for players will be blue, books for DMs will be red and monster books will be green.
I'm not crazy about the artwork, it seems less "Tome Of Information" and more "Forgotten Realms Splatbook" to me.

ChrisMcDee
2007-08-22, 07:49 AM
DMG looks nice to me, I like the overall look. Can't quite see what's going on with the PHB though, what are the two characters there?

If you ask me, the MM is just asking for a huge horde of monsters coming at you rather than one big guy, still looks decent though.

kamikasei
2007-08-22, 08:03 AM
I'm not crazy about the artwork, it seems less "Tome Of Information" and more "Forgotten Realms Splatbook" to me.

That's my feeling too.

Indon
2007-08-22, 08:07 AM
Is that a Balor on the cover of the new Monster manual?

Matthew
2007-08-22, 08:08 AM
It's supposed to be Orcus, I am told.

Falrin
2007-08-22, 08:12 AM
I'm pretty sure I saw the PHB cover somewhere?

Casting guy with pointing hand & Sword & Board fighter in front?

Seem very familiar.

Sir Jason
2007-08-22, 08:16 AM
I have to agree that the DMG looks good.

As for who the ppl on the PHB are... well, uh..... hummm... they're adventurers??? :smallbiggrin:

Matthew
2007-08-22, 08:16 AM
Yeah, I think comparisons have been drawn to this:

http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dd/dd-box.jpg

kamikasei
2007-08-22, 08:18 AM
I'm pretty sure I saw the PHB cover somewhere?

Casting guy with pointing hand & Sword & Board fighter in front?

Seem very familiar.

It looks to me a lot like the picture of the Eladrin (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/MM35_gallery/MM35_PG94.jpg) on MM p95.

Spiryt
2007-08-22, 08:25 AM
Yeah, I think comparisons have been drawn to this:

http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dd/dd-box.jpg

WOW.

Now that's an atmosphere :smallamused:

Dizlag
2007-08-22, 08:54 AM
Matthew,

Here are a few images I found that might be matches and homeages probably because of this article (http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2005/06/15/sutherland050614.html).

I can see the Dragon on the basic set image of the dragon be like the one in the 4ed DMG. The adventurers on the 4ed PHB being the ones in front of the dragon? I dunno. And the other old school DMG cover with the demon be like the one on the 4ed MM ... that looks like a winged demon to me. Anyone else see that too?

Enjoy!

Dizlag

Edit: I think you're right about the 4ed PHB with the Basic Set art you just liked, Matthew. Good find!

Rasumichin
2007-08-22, 08:57 AM
I'd rather say the caster guy's a tiefling, since they now officially happen to be in the PHB.

Matthew
2007-08-22, 09:02 AM
Matthew,

Here are a few images I found that might be matches and homeages probably because of this article (http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2005/06/15/sutherland050614.html).

I can see the Dragon on the basic set image of the dragon be like the one in the 4ed DMG. The adventurers on the 4ed PHB being the ones in front of the dragon? I dunno. And the other old school DMG cover with the demon be like the one on the 4ed MM ... that looks like a winged demon to me. Anyone else see that too?

Enjoy!

Dizlag

Edit: I think you're right about the 4ed PHB with the Basic Set art you just liked, Matthew. Good find!
Hey Dizlag, if you're looking for more old edition Box/Book Art, check out TSR Archive (http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/index.htm)

I think this is supposed to extend the homage:

http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dd/dd-xbox.jpg

The Dragon above is scrying on the Characters, just as the Wizard here is scrying on the Characters.

banjo1985
2007-08-22, 09:04 AM
They look kind of okay, but I agree with some of the above that they give a 'splatbook' feeling. The DMG artwork does look pretty spiffy I must admit, but I'm less enamoured with the PHB, it doesn't look very interesting to be honest.

AtomicKitKat
2007-08-22, 09:09 AM
I'd rather say the caster guy's a tiefling, since they now officially happen to be in the PHB.

Yeah, it's kind of hard to miss those horns.:smallbiggrin: The "chick" looks like the 3.x Iconic Psychic Warrior Shaper Mitra (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/xph_gallery/33175.jpg).

Dizlag
2007-08-22, 09:26 AM
Matthew,

I think ye got it, laddie! I can definitely see the extension of the homage in that picture you put up. Very kewl!

Now, paying homage to the ole skewl art is one thing, paying homage to the ole skewl gameplay and keeping this game feel like D&D still will be another. :smallwink:

I'm excited about it a LOT! The artwork is like the artwork in Eberron, which I really do enjoy. The new logo is streamlined and simpler to me ... again, hoping the rules will be as well. Hehehe

The white background really makes the logo pop. I can see the sword in the dragon's orb as he's scrying on them. From that article they just put up at Wizards about the Dragon battle ... these characters are in a world of hurt! :smallsmile:

Dizlag

Shhalahr Windrider
2007-08-22, 09:45 AM
Here you go:
Aargh! Horizontal Scroll of Doom™! Make the hurting stop!

Matthew
2007-08-22, 10:06 AM
Matthew,

I think ye got it, laddie! I can definitely see the extension of the homage in that picture you put up. Very kewl!

Now, paying homage to the ole skewl art is one thing, paying homage to the ole skewl gameplay and keeping this game feel like D&D still will be another.

I'm excited about it a LOT! The artwork is like the artwork in Eberron, which I really do enjoy. The new logo is streamlined and simpler to me ... again, hoping the rules will be as well. Hehehe

The white background really makes the logo pop. I can see the sword in the dragon's orb as he's scrying on them. From that article they just put up at Wizards about the Dragon battle ... these characters are in a world of hurt!

Dizlag

Yeah, just have to find a picture of a charging something. I am pretty sure that the above are what the Poster who mentioned this was talking about.

Yeah, the proof will be in the pudding for 4e. I don't really mind either way it goes. There are plenty of outlets for the old school these days, I'm happy for 4e to be something new (even if it turns out not to be to my liking).


Aargh! Horizontal Scroll of Doom™! Make the hurting stop!

Sorry, Shhalahr. What resolution are you using? Mine only moved a little bit after the image was quoted. Oh well, apologies, but the people were eager, I couldn't deny them...

Harold
2007-08-22, 10:16 AM
Call me crazy but, I like the v.3.5 dms guide was pretty nice. but I like the v.4
players handbook and monster manule

Jayabalard
2007-08-22, 11:36 AM
Yeah, I think comparisons have been drawn to this:Actually, I think the later 1ed AD&D books would be better comparison; Player's handbook on Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/25MM-MINIATURES-ADVANCED-D-D-PLAYERS-HANDBOOK-UNSED_W0QQitemZ290150963387QQihZ019QQcategoryZ4411 2QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotoho sting)

Matthew
2007-08-22, 11:41 AM
Actually, I think the later 1ed AD&D books would be better comparison; Player's handbook on Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/25MM-MINIATURES-ADVANCED-D-D-PLAYERS-HANDBOOK-UNSED_W0QQitemZ290150963387QQihZ019QQcategoryZ4411 2QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotoho sting)
With regard to what? The layout? The above illustrations are supposedly homages because of compositional similarities.

http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dd1/phb-c.jpg

http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dd1/dmg-b.jpg

Aximili
2007-08-22, 06:34 PM
I'm not crazy about the artwork, it seems less "Tome Of Information" and more "Forgotten Realms Splatbook" to me.

That's exactly how I feel. Those really don't look like core rule books as much as eberron campaign setting material to me:smallfrown:


I agree the DMG has a nice picture on the cover, but the one on draconomicon was soooo much more awsome (all hail todd lockwood):smallbiggrin:


By the way, I heard they might be changing the actual art of the amazing dragons they have now. Is that true?Nevermind:smallfrown:

brian c
2007-08-22, 07:20 PM
It's supposed to be Orcus, I am told.

Apparently they also used the name Orcus as a codeword for 4e, and the developers accidentally called it that a few times during the GenCon info sessions.

de-trick
2007-08-22, 07:22 PM
I like the 3.5 books more, they look cooler, my 2 cents

Fax Celestis
2007-08-22, 07:36 PM
Absent minded speculation: Books for players will be blue, books for DMs will be red and monster books will be green.
DAMN IT THEY"RE SCREWING WITH THE COLORS NOW. GAH. THERE WILL BE PAIN.

Viscount Einstrauss
2007-08-22, 08:15 PM
Meh. They're decent covers with pretty cool art, they just don't have that tome feel to them anymore. I guess that makes them a little less nerdy to carry around with you (I'm a little social conscious, and sometimes I feel a bit like a dork with 3e books in my arms), but it loses a little flavor too.

But then, you never judge a book by it's cover, right?

StickMan
2007-08-22, 08:22 PM
I hate the covers for the new books I've got to say it just one more reason I don't want to buy the books as sad a reason as that is.

RS14
2007-08-22, 08:36 PM
I love the new covers, but this is partly because I hate the 3.5 covers so much. If they had real raised metal clasps and gems, I might like them, but the current style just looks like WotC tried to hard to make them look like old tomes. It just doesn't work. I'd honestly prefer plain leather or canvas covers. Either one makes me think of old, rarely used library books.

adanedhel9
2007-08-22, 09:42 PM
I'd honestly prefer plain leather or canvas covers.

A linen or canvas version would be very cool. I'd shy away from the leather - I'm not such a fan, and I'd worry about the cost vs durability ratio.

Aximili
2007-08-22, 09:44 PM
I love the new covers, but this is partly because I hate the 3.5 covers so much. If they had real raised metal clasps and gems, I might like them, but the current style just looks like WotC tried to hard to make them look like old tomes. It just doesn't work. I'd honestly prefer plain leather or canvas covers. Either one makes me think of old, rarely used library books.

oooh...:elan:
Leather covers:smallcool:

Fhaolan
2007-08-22, 10:09 PM
Oh, they'll do leather covers at some point. Or pseudo-leather or whatever that stuff was when they did those special 30th aniversary 3.5 printings. Or maybe holo-print. Whatever. I'm fairly sure they'll do a special printing at some point, probably 35th aniversary or something.

nagora
2007-08-23, 05:10 AM
It's supposed to be Orcus, I am told.

Fat boy's been working out! We ran into him (and from him) a couple of times. Demogorgon once appeared when someone said his name (that was a BAD day) and Fraz completely wrecked us when we rolled the most appalling set of saving throws for our magic items as we entered his plane.

Bloody Demons. At least you can have a sensible conversation with Asmodeus.

Dizlag
2007-08-23, 09:00 AM
Viscount,

Come over to the Dork-side! Embrace it ... live it ... love it!

:smallbiggrin:

Dizlag

Dausuul
2007-08-23, 02:28 PM
With regard to what? The layout? The above illustrations are supposedly homages because of compositional similarities.

Man, I forgot how beautiful the cover art on some of those old books was. Nostalgia. :smallsmile:

horseboy
2007-08-23, 05:59 PM
Why is there a Blood Thirster on the cover of that one?

Merlin the Tuna
2007-08-23, 06:15 PM
http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dd1/phb-c.jpgI like this picture because I imagine this guy getting captured by the enemy, then being tied up with his own beard.

You all can carry on now.

Matthew
2007-08-25, 12:47 PM
Man, I forgot how beautiful the cover art on some of those old books was. Nostalgia.

Yeah, I love some of the old edition art, even the amusing Drooping Moustaches and Eighties Perms. I will see if I can find an example.

Edit
Ah, here are some:

http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dd1/i9.jpg

http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dd1/mm.jpg



I like this picture because I imagine this guy getting captured by the enemy, then being tied up with his own beard.

You all can carry on now.
Nah, his Beard is probably a Magical Weapon.

Captain van der Decken
2007-08-25, 12:58 PM
I read that as 'capturing the enemy and tying them up with his beard'.:smalltongue:

Matthew
2007-08-25, 01:39 PM
Heh, heh. This was a bit of an eye opener:

http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dl/dl-dlr3.jpg

Rex Blunder
2007-08-25, 01:43 PM
That's great. I like how you can tell that it's not sexist because that tubby Silent Bob guy on the left is totally sexualized too. Mee-yow!

Fax Celestis
2007-08-25, 01:54 PM
I love how it says, "For use with all levels of play" right under her crotch. I wonder how many idiot gamers drew an arrow to her.

Thinker
2007-08-25, 02:05 PM
I love how it says, "For use with all levels of play" right under her crotch. I wonder how many idiot gamers drew an arrow to her.

That's disturbing.

Fax Celestis
2007-08-25, 02:07 PM
That's disturbing.

Unfortunately, it's also probably truth.

Matthew
2007-08-25, 02:09 PM
I love how it says, "For use with all levels of play" right under her crotch. I wonder how many idiot gamers drew an arrow to her.

You mean, like this?

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i226/Plle200/Fax.jpg

I'm gonna guess 90-100% of the Idiot Gamer population that came into contact with this Accessory.

nagora
2007-08-25, 03:05 PM
Heh, heh. This was a bit of an eye opener:


I've never seen that! No wonder they're unsung - they look like a bunch of students in fancy dress.

Who's the artist?

Matthew
2007-08-25, 03:26 PM
No idea. I don't own this particular product, so I can't check either.

Skyserpent
2007-08-25, 03:30 PM
I dunno, I kind of liked the leather-bound-gem-studded tome look 3rd Edition had going, but I guess they're nice, if a bit Eberron-esque. Absent minded speculation: Books for players will be blue, books for DMs will be red and monster books will be green.

Agreed, I really liked the bookish look of the old core rulebooks, but I am also a big fan of the artist they're using for 4e...

Beleriphon
2007-08-25, 03:37 PM
Agreed, I really liked the bookish look of the old core rulebooks, but I am also a big fan of the artist they're using for 4e...

He's the same guy the use for fully half of their other stuff, so I'm not surprised really. That said more Todd Lockwood is required.

Amphimir Míriel
2007-08-25, 03:50 PM
I for one, hail our new-fantasy-art-that-honors-old-fantasy-art overlords...

And on regards to embarrasing book covers, the cover to the first edition of Mage: the Ascencion was so godawful*, that I made a black cardboard cover for that one.


* Even I could draw a better set of tarot cards

bosssmiley
2007-08-25, 08:01 PM
I love the new covers, but this is partly because I hate the 3.5 covers so much. If they had real raised metal clasps and gems, I might like them, but the current style just looks like WotC tried to hard to make them look like old tomes. It just doesn't work. I'd honestly prefer plain leather or canvas covers. Either one makes me think of old, rarely used library books.

Must be a generational thing, I (and a lot of the people I know) prefer the faux-tome look of the 3.5 books to even the retrolicious 1st Ed. covers Matthew posted. More than once I've had the "Woah, cool! What is that book?" reaction from non-/ex-gamers, just from their seeing the tome-y covers.

I personally think of the 4th Ed. covers we've seen as a big step backwards, one that'll date quickly and badly. :smallannoyed:

Fhaolan
2007-08-25, 09:42 PM
I have to admit being tempted to rebind my 3rd edition books so that they actually had the hinges, locks and whatnot on them. http://brahmsbookworks.com/

Our wedding album was made by Brahm, and it's quite good. Pewter fixtures, and the like. And it's made to take three-hole-punch paper, which he supplied a good quantity of fancy paper. Everyone gets a kick out of seeing our wedding album.

AslanCross
2007-08-25, 09:57 PM
I like these covers. I've always been a fan of Wayne Reynolds's artwork, and I find that makes these look cooler. The only thing I think that makes these look like Eberron splatbooks is because Eberron splatbooks were illustrated by the same artist.

Rockphed
2007-08-25, 10:19 PM
If the 3rd edition books had had real covers, fake gems and all, then I would have found them cool. As it is, they tried too hard and failed.

AtomicKitKat
2007-08-25, 10:21 PM
For some reason, it looks like she's wearing a very furry sporran.:smallbiggrin:

I believe he (http://pen-paper.net/rpgdb.php?op=showcreator&creatorid=1065) is the one responsible for fuzzy crotch.:smallbiggrin:

Matthew
2007-08-26, 02:24 AM
Ah, good find AtomicKitKat. I was tried using Pen & Paper without success. I must have entered the search details wrong. Incidently, I do like some of Robh Ruppel's other stuff:

http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/ps/ps-hellbound.jpg

AtomicKitKat
2007-08-26, 05:53 AM
Ah, good find AtomicKitKat. I was tried using Pen & Paper without success. I must have entered the search details wrong. Incidently, I do like some of Robh Ruppel's other stuff:

http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/ps/ps-hellbound.jpg

Hey. Is that the one which is supposed to have a decent Marilith picture inside(was looking at an old thread where we were bashing the 3.5 MM Egghead Marilith)?

Matthew
2007-08-26, 06:42 AM
That Art actually belongs to a short comic published in Dragon Magazine over the course of a few months to promote Planescape. It did indeed contain some very good Maralith pictures, though I don't recall whether the 2e Monster Manual contained a good image. I'll have a search about for it.

Inane-Fedaykin
2007-08-26, 07:14 AM
I think the MM cover looks lame there.

martyboy74
2007-08-26, 07:48 AM
Eh, I liked the tomes (3.5) better. You could tell the setting specific books apart, because they were the ones with the weird pictures on them.

Matthew
2007-08-26, 04:53 PM
Follow up:

Here's some 2e Monstrous Manual Marilith Art:

http://www.dlogs.net/monsters/marilith.gif

The Planescape art is better.

http://www.ultimosdiasdegloria.bluehosting.com.br/FR/omundo/figuras/Marilith.gif

But this is pretty great:

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/alumni_marilith_FC1.jpg

AtomicKitKat
2007-08-27, 12:21 AM
I'm familiar with the AD&D MM Marilith, as well as the Fiendish Codex Cover Girl. Where does the middle one come from? Planescape?

Sulecrist
2007-08-27, 12:25 AM
Wow, that Fiendish Codex one is amazing. I haven't actually looked at the book--maybe I should. Is there other art in there of similar quality?

(Back on topic: I like the new books. The 3.X ones invoke memories of Burger King crowns.)

Merlin the Tuna
2007-08-27, 02:15 AM
The 3.X ones invoke memories of Burger King crowns.Heh. I never thought that before, but I get the impression I'm not going to be able to look at a 3.X book ever again without it coming to mind.

nagora
2007-08-27, 04:12 AM
Just for completness' sake, here's Marilith's first ever appearance back in Eldrich Wizardry in 1976, by the late, great Dave Sutherland:

http://www.tww.cx/downloads/marilith.png

ArqArturo
2007-08-27, 04:42 AM
Well, I'm going to miss Todd Lockwood's artwork in D&D (If he doesn't get there, that is :smallamused: ).

Matthew
2007-08-27, 04:46 AM
I'm familiar with the AD&D MM Marilith, as well as the Fiendish Codex Cover Girl. Where does the middle one come from? Planescape?

Yep, the Planescape Monsterous Compendium, I believe. As I said, though, the comic book art for the Marilith in Blood Wars: The Pact is much better, which is where the Planescape: Blood Wars cover comes from. Unfortunately, it seems I cannot locate an online version.


Wow, that Fiendish Codex one is amazing. I haven't actually looked at the book--maybe I should. Is there other art in there of similar quality?

(Back on topic: I like the new books. The 3.X ones invoke memories of Burger King crowns.)

Yeah, it's pretty good. As for the internal Art, well, Wizards provides, decide for yourself: Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss - Art Gallery (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ag/20060605a) and you can also compare it with the Fiendish Codex II - Art Gallery (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ag/20061208a). The short answer, in my opinion, is that the cover art is a lot better than the internal art, but there are some good pieces here and there.


Just for completness' sake, here's Marilith's first ever appearance back in Eldrich Wizardry in 1976, by the late, great Dave Sutherland

Wow, good find Nagora. Previous Edition internal art is elusive.

nagora
2007-08-27, 05:29 AM
Wow, good find Nagora. Previous Edition internal art is elusive.

Not when you have a scanner! :smallwink:

Dausuul
2007-08-27, 06:34 AM
Not when you have a scanner! :smallwink:

...and a previous edition. :smallbiggrin:

Sulecrist
2007-08-27, 08:29 AM
Heh. I never thought that before, but I get the impression I'm not going to be able to look at a 3.X book ever again without it coming to mind.

I aim to please. :smallbiggrin:

AtomicKitKat
2007-08-27, 11:28 AM
I don't see Nagora's image? :(

Zim
2007-08-27, 11:57 AM
Strictly from a graphic design point of view, I think there is room for improvement. The illustrations and logo work are excellent, but the white and green/red/blue horizontal bars that take up the top 1/4 and botton 1/8 give the area framed by them a cramped feel.

I know that this design choice can create a "depth of field appearance", but I don't think it works well with these particular illustrations. It looks like Orcus is ducking to avoid bumping his head on the title bar! If they pushed part of the illustrations into the title bars (close cropped bits of the focal figure, for example), I think it would be a much better design.

Matthew
2007-08-27, 12:23 PM
I don't see Nagora's image? :(

Oh me, neither now. The link must be broken or something; [Edit] it's back for me now.

AtomicKitKat
2007-08-27, 11:50 PM
Oh me, neither now. The link must be broken or something; [Edit] it's back for me now.

Ok yeah, I see it now. Might want to Spoiler tag it though.

TheOOB
2007-08-28, 12:06 AM
The old leatherbound book theme was interesting, but it got rather monotonous over time, especially since the cover art of supplements was often very sparse.

TimeWizard
2007-08-28, 11:08 AM
It's supposed to be Orcus, I am told.

And here the Tome of magic led me to beleive Orcus is a dead sliver of his former divinty. Tenebreous or something. He has a PrC.

Crazy_Uncle_Doug
2007-08-28, 11:22 AM
Actually, Orcus made a comeback. Because he is the man. Or demon lord. Whatever.

Me, I love the work of the artist for the cover. He's been one of the best artists DnD has used for 3.x edition work. Considering some of the just terrible art I've seen in these books, his work has been a breath of fresh air. I'm glad to see he's Cover-worthy.

nagora
2007-08-28, 11:31 AM
Actually, Orcus made a comeback. Because he is the man. Or demon lord. Whatever.


He's Outer Planes Slimmer of the Epoch, by the looks of that cover!

Crazy_Uncle_Doug
2007-08-28, 11:45 AM
He's Outer Planes Slimmer of the Epoch, by the looks of that cover!

I can see it now ... Saturday morning on the Sci-Fi Channel, an hour long Informercial:

Orcus: "See how the Orcus Diet can work for you, OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES PUNY MORTALS! DEFY US, AND YOUR SOUL WILL FACE MYRIAD TORMENTS FOR ALL ETERNITY!"

Succubus Sidekick: "You've lost so much weight and look absolutely hot! *Audience laughs thanks to "Tasha's Hideous Laughter" spell* Tell our audience at home how you managed it!"

Orcus: "HOW DARE YOU TRY TO COMMAND ME, INSIGNIFICANT UNDERLING! *crushes succubus* It's quite easy, and covered in my new book, 'How to Win Back Your Existence, and Lose Weight in the Process'. But first, let's speak to some who have tried my method ..."

Gralamin
2007-08-28, 11:53 AM
Orcus always makes a comeback, even from when he was impersonating Primus. Orcus is a plot device.

Aximili
2007-08-28, 04:57 PM
"The Player Handbook cover has changed. It’s not the same cover from the preview, but the artist is the same."
Just thought I'd quote it.

Jack Mann
2007-08-28, 08:36 PM
I can see it now ... Saturday morning on the Sci-Fi Channel, an hour long Informercial:

Orcus: "See how the Orcus Diet can work for you, OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES PUNY MORTALS! DEFY US, AND YOUR SOUL WILL FACE MYRIAD TORMENTS FOR ALL ETERNITY!"

Succubus Sidekick: "You've lost so much weight and look absolutely hot! *Audience laughs thanks to "Tasha's Hideous Laughter" spell* Tell our audience at home how you managed it!"

Orcus: "HOW DARE YOU TRY TO COMMAND ME, INSIGNIFICANT UNDERLING! *crushes succubus* It's quite easy, and covered in my new book, 'How to Win Back Your Existence, and Lose Weight in the Process'. But first, let's speak to some who have tried my method ..."

Ah-ha! It all makes sense now!

Orcus is Morbo!

Aximili
2007-08-28, 09:07 PM
Well, I'm going to miss Todd Lockwood's artwork in D&D (If he doesn't get there, that is :smallamused: ).
Yeah, getting rid of Todd's amazing dragons was one of the few things so far that really disappointed me about 4e.