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Chernobyl
2017-12-31, 06:34 PM
Is it possible within the rules (not GM fiat) to make a secret door undetectable via normal methods, such that it can only be found by use of magical means (e.g. Detect Secret Doors, True Seeing)?

Thanks!

Temotei
2017-12-31, 08:35 PM
You could just put some mundane crap (books, shelves, walls, rubble, etc.) in the way of the door so that nobody can get in range for their racial abilities.

Or you could get creative with some spells. Make walls out of shadow conjuration and its greater version, use illusory walls, wall of ice to prevent people from getting close to the secret but still allowing sight through...

You could probably do something silly with an illusory secret door leading to a room with the real secret door.

Hugh Mann
2017-12-31, 10:23 PM
If you really want to get fancy and stretch the definition of a door, you could have some sort of greater spell glyph linked to a passwall spell. Then all you have to do is make the glyph invisible. If you classify the thing as a trap then you could make the spell automatically reset itself.

That way the only method of even knowing the door exists is a way to detect magic or see invsible things.

Zanos
2017-12-31, 11:29 PM
A hallway with an illusory wall in front of it technically isn't a secret door.

Mutazoia
2017-12-31, 11:47 PM
Cover your secret door with a real wall....

KillingAScarab
2018-01-01, 09:20 AM
Since the perception skill sets the DC to "find the average secret door" at 20 and the best DC modifier is +20 for invisibility, first, kill everything within sight radius of the secret door...

Celestia
2018-01-01, 10:15 AM
Some spackle aught to do it.

Deophaun
2018-01-01, 10:55 AM
Make your fortress/lair/dungeon out of secret doors and mark the ones you want with magic aura. Drive the elves insane.

Use trained mimics with the Darkstalker feat instead of doors.

Turn the doors ethereal. They won't function so well as doors, but good luck finding them.

johnbragg
2018-01-01, 11:02 AM
Is there a reason you want to punish your players for wasting skill ranks in Perception?

At least make it a resettable trap of Suggestion, "Ignore this door".

Jack_Simth
2018-01-01, 02:09 PM
Make it a Phase Door (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/coreRulebook/spells/phaseDoor.html) spell, rather than a standard door.