Epic levels - where to go next?

[Braininthejar2]

The wizard has gone through Abjurer 3, master specialist (abjuration) 10, initiate of the sevenfold veil 7

Now she can choose hr first epic level.

What class should she go next?

[Covenant12]

The main goal you should be shooting for is epic bonus feats and full caster progression. The short answer is master specialist 11, you will need to work with your DM for a progression for that. RAW you can't make an epic progression for Iot7FV, and if the DM houseruled you could it sounds more complex than master specialist 11+.

You could also work with your dm for a epic prestige class for your character, agent retriever is an example from core. Note this is just an example of what can be made, I'm confident you won't have the skill ranks to qualify.

Sadly your answer is effectively homebrew with DM approval, but that's common for epic characters, few prestige classes have an epic progression listed anywhere.

[Braininthejar2]

The main goal you should be shooting for is epic bonus feats and full caster progression. The short answer is master specialist 11, you will need to work with your DM for a progression for that. RAW you can't make an epic progression for Iot7FV, and if the DM houseruled you could it sounds more complex than master specialist 11+.

You could also work with your dm for a epic prestige class for your character, agent retriever is an example from core. Note this is just an example of what can be made, I'm confident you won't have the skill ranks to qualify.

Sadly your answer is effectively homebrew with DM approval, but that's common for epic characters, few prestige classes have an epic progression listed anywhere.

What about Incantatrix? Would it be worth it at this stage?

[noob]

According to raw master specialist have an epic progression due to being a 10 levels Prc.(you have the right to take levels into it) but what you get from it is from the domain of homebrew.

[Braininthejar2]

According to raw master specialist have an epic progression due to being a 10 levels Prc.(you have the right to take levels into it) but what you get from it is from the domain of homebrew.

The only thing linear about Master specialist is expanded spellbook (and the abjuration esoterica, which might become broken later on - chain dispel is already a battle ender when deployed properly.)

Should the class get bonus feats like base class epic progressions do?


As for Incantatrix, the campaign is sure to end before she gets another ten levels, so the question is, are early level incantatrix bonuses worth ditching one magic school.

[Celestia]

As for Incantatrix, the campaign is sure to end before she gets another ten levels, so the question is, are early level incantatrix bonuses worth ditching one magic school.
One can still cast the spells of the barred school that one already knows, and if one is 20, one probably has all the good ones. It just stops one from learning new spells. Since that penalty is probably irrelevant, incantatrix is, at minimum, something for nothing.

[Morcleon]

You could also ask your DM to allow Librim Eternia (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?247756-Librim-Eternia-Tome-of-Epic-Prestige-(Completed)), a homebrew compendium of epic level PrCs for all sorts of concepts. Any other players in your group would probably appreciate the material as well, unless they already have their levels plotted out.

[Covenant12]

The only thing linear about Master specialist is expanded spellbook (and the abjuration esoterica, which might become broken later on - chain dispel is already a battle ender when deployed properly.)

Should the class get bonus feats like base class epic progressions do?


As for Incantatrix, the campaign is sure to end before she gets another ten levels, so the question is, are early level incantatrix bonuses worth ditching one magic school.The increased caster level for abjuration spells may continue every third level, which is significant. The minor esoteric (1/2 class level to dispel checks) is a DM's call if that continues into epic. Balance could be an issue there. Expanded spellbook means effectively nothing at epic WBL. The other esoterics don't scale, so should be fine.

Epic loremaster is a good example progression to show your DM (online SRD). If you gain fairly little besides +1 caster level a bonus feat every third is expected, if significant bonuses every fourth level. Bonus feat list is really for an uber-specialized wizard, so the wizard bonus epic feat list should be fine. Sadly fully DM-call homebrew here, if he says bonus feat every sixth level you have no recourse except begging and pleading.

If you aren't expecting to hit 30+ levels incantatrix sounds like a bad idea. A fourth (edit: third) banned school is brutal, no joke. Unless you are really planning to abuse (and DM will allow) persisting existing spells at 3rd level the epic bonus feats you lose and fourth(third) school seems too expensive. Seize concentration and snatch spell are cool, but you have no caster level boosts (well, not class feature ones) so I still say master specialist 11+ til the campaign ends.

Re: Celestia: 3.0 Incantatrix could use previously known spells now banned, as could 3.0 Red wizard. 3.5 incantatrix uses school specialization wording, which is far less generous. Technically ELH was barely 3.0, and we haven't mentioned 3.0 vs. 3.5, so I guess it depends?

[noob]

The increased caster level for abjuration spells may continue every third level, which is significant. The minor esoteric (1/2 class level to dispel checks) is a DM's call if that continues into epic. Balance could be an issue there. Expanded spellbook means effectively nothing at epic WBL. The other esoterics don't scale, so should be fine.

Epic loremaster is a good example progression to show your DM (online SRD). If you gain fairly little besides +1 caster level a bonus feat every third is expected, if significant bonuses every fourth level. Bonus feat list is really for an uber-specialized wizard, so the wizard bonus epic feat list should be fine. Sadly fully DM-call homebrew here, if he says bonus feat every sixth level you have no recourse except begging and pleading.

If you aren't expecting to hit 30+ levels incantatrix sounds like a bad idea. A fourth (edit: third) banned school is brutal, no joke. Unless you are really planning to abuse (and DM will allow) persisting existing spells at 3rd level the epic bonus feats you lose and fourth(third) school seems too expensive. Seize concentration and snatch spell are cool, but you have no caster level boosts (well, not class feature ones) so I still say master specialist 11+ til the campaign ends.

Re: Celestia: 3.0 Incantatrix could use previously known spells now banned, as could 3.0 Red wizard. 3.5 incantatrix uses school specialization wording, which is far less generous. Technically ELH was barely 3.0, and we haven't mentioned 3.0 vs. 3.5, so I guess it depends?
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Expanded Spellbook: When you reach 2nd level, you can add one spell of your chosen school to your spellbook. The spell can be of any level that you can cast, and it is in addition to the normal spells gained when increasing your level.

You can add another spell of your chosen school to your spellbook at 5th and at 8th level.

So it is not a linear progression: it is a progression at those levels(2,5 and 8)
it is maybe every 3 levels but it is a coincidence: the wording does not says it progress every three levels.

The increased caster level for the spells of the specialty school only applies at level 6 and 9 and it is not worded as if it was a linear progression(and two elements does not makes something a linear progression)

So it is not even clear that those will progress in an epic progression(or else you could argue that each class feature that progress only two times keeps progressing in epic and similar stuff)

[Mordaedil]

Can you not go archmage? It usually has a few good things for any wizard and in epic levels you don't really have much reason not to grab it as you're free of any cap and you can start to make your metamagics super cheap. And who doesn't want a level 10 persistant time stop spell?

[Hiro Quester]

Taking a level in Loremaster (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/prestigeClasses/loremaster.htm) would increase all your casterly goodness (Epic spells!!) and also add "secrets" that include bonus feats (which you could choose at first level if you have at least a +7 intelligence bonus), or bonuses to saves, bonus 1st or 2nd level spells, etc.

Plus lore (bardic knowledge) checks at second level.