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Mike Miller
2018-02-10, 01:29 PM
Many times I've looked for a list of base classes that includes all of 3.5's offerings. However, there are usually missing entries or unnecessary inclusions, like multiple fighters at the WotC archives. I built this list off of Hadessniper's list from here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?198535-Complete-Class-List). However, I added some Dragon mag classes. Please let me know if you are aware of any missing BASE classes. I expect this list is missing some from campaign settings, but I am not super familiar with them as my 3.5 library is mostly complete sans campaign settings.

Hopefully this will be a truly complete list of all 3.5e base classes. I don't believe racial substitution levels count nor do alternate class features. I just want the list to have classes that were published with all 1-20 levels. Also let me know if you catch any duplicates. Ctrl+F is your friend when looking to see if one is already listed.

The Alphabetized Class List:
Adept
Archivist
Ardent
Aristocrat
Artificer
Barbarian
Bard
Basiran Dancer
Battle Dancer
Beguiler
Binder
Brigand
Cleric
Commoner
Crusader
Death Master
Divine Mind
Dragon Shaman
Dragonfire Adept
Dread Necromancer
Druid
Duskblade
Eidolon
Eidoloncer
Exemplar
Expert
Factotum
Favored Soul
Fighter
Friar
Gladiator
Healer
Hexblade
Incarnate
Infiltrator
Inventor
Jester
Knight
Lurk
Magewright
Magnifico
Mariner
Marshal
Master
Monk
Mountebank
Mystic
Nightstalker
Ninja
Noble
Paladin
Psion
Psychic Rogue
Psychic Warrior
Ranger
Rogue
Samurai
Savant
Scout
Shadowcaster
Sha'ir
Shaman
Shugenja
Sohei
Sorcerer
Soulborn
Soulknife
Spellcaster
Spellsinger
Spellthief
Spirit Shaman
Swashbuckler
Swordsage
Totemist
Truenamer
Urban Adept
Voodan
Warblade
Warlock
Warmage
Warrior
Wilder
Wizard
Wu Jen

The Class Table: (* = 3rd party)



Player's Handbook
Barbarian
Bard
Cleric
Druid
Fighter
Monk
Paladin
Ranger
Rogue
Sorcerer
Wizard


Dungeon Master's Guide
Adept
Aristocrat
Commoner
Expert
Warrior


Complete Adventurer
Ninja
Scout
Spellthief


Complete Arcane
Warlock
Warmage
Wu Jen


Complete Divine
Favored Soul
Shugenja
Spirit Shaman


Complete Psionic
Ardent
Divine Mind
Lurk


Complete Warrior
Hexblade
Samurai
Swashbuckler


Dragon Compendium
Battle Dancer
Death Master
Jester
Mountebank
Savant
Sha'ir
Urban Druid


Dragon Magic
Dragonfire Adept


Dungeonscape
Factotum


Expanded Psionics Handbook
Psion
Psychic Warrior
Soulknife
Wilder


Heroes of Horror
Archivist
Dread Necromancer


Magic of Incarnum
Incarnate
Soulborn
Totemist


Miniatures Handbook
Favored Soul
Healer
Marshal
Warmage


Player's Handbook II
Beguiler
Dragon Shaman
Duskblade
Knight


Tome of Battle
Crusader
Swordsage
Warblade


Tome of Magic
Binder
Shadowcaster
Truenamer


Eberron Campaign Setting
Artificer
Magewright


Unearthed Arcana
Expert
Spellcaster
Warrior


Player’s Companion – Getting More Out of Your PHB*
Exemplar
Friar
Inventor
Magnifico


Kingdoms of Kalamar Player's Guide*
Basiran Dancer
Brigand
Gladiator
Infiltrator
Shaman
Spellsinger


Dragonlance Campaign Setting
Mystic
Noble


Oriental Adventures
Sohei


(Dragonlance) Age of Mortals*
Mariner


(Dragonlance) Legends of the Twins*
Mariner


(Dragonlance) War of the Lance*
Master


(Dragonlance) Races of Ansalon*
Nightstalker


The Mind's Eye: Psychic Rogue
Psychic Rogue


Ghostwalk
Eidolon
Eidoloncer


(Ravenloft) Dark Tales and Disturbing Legends*
Voodan




Variant Key for original class:
Bard - bd
Barbarian - bn
Cleric - cl
Druid - dr
Fighter - fi
Monk - mo
Paladin - pa
Ranger - ra
Rogue - ro
Sorcerer - so
Wizard - wi
Psion - ps
Artificer - ar

The Variant Table:



Unearthed Arcana
Bardic Sage (bd)
Battle Sorcerer (so)
Cloistered Cleric (cl)
Divine Bard (bd)
Domain Wizard (wi)
Druidic Avenger (dr)
Cobra Strike (mo)
Denying Stance (mo)
Hand and Foot (mo)
Invisible Eye (mo)
Overwhelming Attack (mo)
Passive Way (mo)
Sleeping Tiger (mo)
Undying Way (mo)
Paladin of Freedom (pa)
Paladin of Slaughter (pa)
Paladin of Tyranny (pa)
Planar Ranger (ra)
Savage Bard (bd)
Thug (fi)
Totem Barbarian (bn)
Urban Ranger (ra)
Wilderness Ranger (ra)


Complete Psionic
Erudite (ps)


Magic of Eberron
Psionic Artificer (ar)


Dragon Magazine (1)
Evangelist (cl)
Mystic Ranger (ra)
Winter Warden (dr)
Bodyguard (fi)
Commander (fi)
Corsair (fi)
Exoticist (fi)
Fencer (fi)
Horseman (fi)
Kensai (fi)
Knight (fi)
Pugilist (fi)
Shield Bearer (fi)
Survivalist (fi)
Targetteer (fi)
Holy Monk (mo)
Hunter Monk (mo)
Martial Monk (mo)
Raging Monk (mo)
Steadfast Monk (mo)


Dragon Magazine (2)
Vigilant Monk (mo)
Sentinel (pa)
Avenger (pa)
Enforcer (pa)
Incarnate (pa)
Anarch (pa)
Ancestral Speaker (cl)
Arcane Disciple (cl)
Aspirant (cl)
Benevolent (cl)
Crusader (cl)
Wild Reaper (dr)
Wind Walker (dr)
Metal Master (dr)
Filidh (wi)
Wild Defender (ra)
Wild Monk (mo)
Storm Druid (dr)
Implacable (bn)
Specialist Sorcerer (so)


Dragon Magazine (3)
Sidewinder Monk (mo)
Rage Cleric (cl)
Totem Druid (dr)
Chaos Monk (mo)
Harbinger (bd)
Horselord (bn)
Sidhe Scholar (dr)
Anagakok (wi)

Eloel
2018-02-10, 02:23 PM
Off the top of my head, you're missing:

Adept, Commoner, Expert, Warrior, Aristocrat, Spellcaster, Psionic Rogue

Cosi
2018-02-10, 02:33 PM
Why is your list not in alphabetical order?

Also, you're arguably missing at least one version of Ninja (and all the other classes that showed up in both Oriental Adventures and the Completes). And the Generic classes from Unearthed Arcana.

Tryxx
2018-02-10, 02:34 PM
Missing the Psychic Rogue (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040723b) and the Eidolon and Eidoloncer from Ghostwalk. Really impressed you didn't forget the Dragonlance classes. I've never played in the setting, and don't know if it really counts but I believe Kingdoms of Kalamar has some base classes as well (Gladiator, Basiran Dancer, Brigand, Infiltrator, Shaman and Spellsinger).

Khedrac
2018-02-10, 02:46 PM
Do you want to include Dragon Compendium classes such as the Death Master?

Edit:
He already has.
Gah - I though I checked the list three times for that before posting... :smallredface:

Cosi
2018-02-10, 02:51 PM
Do you want to include Dragon Compendium classes such as the Death Master?

He already has.

Mike Miller
2018-02-10, 04:31 PM
Why is your list not in alphabetical order?

Also, you're arguably missing at least one version of Ninja (and all the other classes that showed up in both Oriental Adventures and the Completes). And the Generic classes from Unearthed Arcana.

I didn't alphabetize it yet because I shamelessly stole borrowed much of the list as noted in the first post. Also, I plan to alphabetize it when it appears settled OR list them grouped by book and I may also note source books too. For now, I just want to get them all listed. Ninja actually was there already, as well as warlock so I'm guessing the Completes are covered.

Cosi
2018-02-10, 04:55 PM
I didn't alphabetize it yet because I shamelessly stole borrowed much of the list as noted in the first post. Also, I plan to alphabetize it when it appears settled OR list them grouped by book and I may also note source books too. For now, I just want to get them all listed. Ninja actually was there already, as well as warlock so I'm guessing the Completes are covered.

Alphabetizing makes it much easier to figure out if everything is covered. If the list is in alphabetical order, I can figure out if the class I'm thinking of is there by going to the appropriate letter and checking. If it's not, I (potentially) have to check the whole list.

My comment on the Ninja was not that you missed it, but that there are two distinct Ninja classes, for which you have only one entry. There is a Ninja in Complete Adventurer, but also one in Oriental Adventures.

DrMotives
2018-02-10, 05:01 PM
Alphabetizing makes it much easier to figure out if everything is covered. If the list is in alphabetical order, I can figure out if the class I'm thinking of is there by going to the appropriate letter and checking. If it's not, I (potentially) have to check the whole list.

My comment on the Ninja was not that you missed it, but that there are two distinct Ninja classes, for which you have only one entry. There is a Ninja in Complete Adventurer, but also one in Oriental Adventures.

There is no ninja base class in OA, OA only has ninja as a PrC. You're thinking of Samurai, which has an OA version and a very different Complete Warrior version.

Blue Jay
2018-02-10, 05:07 PM
There is no ninja base class in OA, OA only has ninja as a PrC. You're thinking of Samurai, which has an OA version and a very different Complete Warrior version.

I think he's thinking of the Rokugan ninja class, which is an understandable confusion because OA incorporates the Rokugan setting into it.

Cosi
2018-02-10, 05:18 PM
I think he's thinking of the Rokugan ninja class, which is an understandable confusion because OA incorporates the Rokugan setting into it.

That's probably it. To be honest, I've never read either book -- I was simply aware of the existence of another Ninja class besides the one in Complete Adventurer.

Eloel
2018-02-10, 06:46 PM
I think now you have Shaman twice on there. Keep it alphabetized, it'll make your life easier.

flappeercraft
2018-02-10, 06:49 PM
Artificer, Psionic Artificer and Erudite are missing.

Mike Miller
2018-02-10, 06:52 PM
Is psionic artificer an actual base class or some kind of acf type deal?

I will alphabetize it for everyone's convenience in a few hours when I get a chance

Falontani
2018-02-10, 07:49 PM
Psionic artificer is it's own class according to Magic of Eberron. Yes you can make an artificer/psionic artificer character

I stand corrected by DEMON

DEMON
2018-02-10, 07:52 PM
Yes you can make an artificer/psionic artificer character

Actually, you can't. Those classes are mutually exclusive to one another, as stated in the Psi Artificer entry in MoE.

BowStreetRunner
2018-02-10, 10:18 PM
Would you consider the vairant classes from Unearthed Arcana as distinct? If so, Totem Barbarian, Bardic Sage, Divine Bard, Savage Bard, Cloistered Cleric, Druidic Avenger, Thug, the Fighting Style Monks, Paladins (of Freedom, Slaughter, and Tyranny), Planar Ranger, Urban Ranger, Wilderness Rogue, Battle Sorcerer, and Domain Wizard may be included.

Mike Miller
2018-02-10, 10:40 PM
Would you consider the vairant classes from Unearthed Arcana as distinct? If so, Totem Barbarian, Bardic Sage, Divine Bard, Savage Bard, Cloistered Cleric, Druidic Avenger, Thug, the Fighting Style Monks, Paladins (of Freedom, Slaughter, and Tyranny), Planar Ranger, Urban Ranger, Wilderness Rogue, Battle Sorcerer, and Domain Wizard may be included.

I am only counting classes that have 20 published levels. I don't count the variants.

Also, I have now alphabetized the list.

DrMotives
2018-02-10, 11:01 PM
Using other campaign settings? Because Dragonlance has mystic, and Masque of the Red Death (a variant Ravenloft setting put on Victorian-era Earth) throws out all normal classes and instead has a huge list of 23 base classes plus 9 PrCs. Although the idea is that those replace all normal core classes, including the DMG ones.

Mike Miller
2018-02-10, 11:46 PM
Using other campaign settings? Because Dragonlance has mystic, and Masque of the Red Death (a variant Ravenloft setting put on Victorian-era Earth) throws out all normal classes and instead has a huge list of 23 base classes plus 9 PrCs. Although the idea is that those replace all normal core classes, including the DMG ones.

Hmmm, if they are unique I will count them. I'll just list them with a note as Dragonlance classes. Can you list them?

Eloel
2018-02-11, 12:59 AM
You might want to include Mystic Ranger if you're going by whether a class is fully printed somewhere. And you still have 2 Shamans in your alphabetized list.

Bullet06320
2018-02-11, 01:05 AM
putting what source each class comes from would be useful too

KillingAScarab
2018-02-11, 02:15 AM
Using other campaign settings? Because Dragonlance has mystic, and Masque of the Red Death (a variant Ravenloft setting put on Victorian-era Earth) throws out all normal classes and instead has a huge list of 23 base classes plus 9 PrCs. Although the idea is that those replace all normal core classes, including the DMG ones.Do the Gothic Earth classes really count as being compatible with D&D 3.5, though? I found an Internet Archive link to the Living Death Campaign site (https://web.archive.org/web/20041201161149/http://www.livingdeath.org:80/). There are two different PDFs there which seem largely dependent upon the D&D 3.5 PHB, because they don't reprint tables and such, but it looks like an actual book (https://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/11/11458.phtml) was printed by the Sword & Sorcery imprint of White Wolf while they had the Ravenloft license. Still, from that review and this blog post (http://mrstu.blogspot.com/2011/05/masque-of-red-death-thoughts.html), I get the impression that the book is about as lopsided as the PDFs. Skills are also significantly different from D&D 3.5; crafts, knowledges and professions are all entirely separate, which means alchemy is once again its own entire skill. Actually, the D&D 3.0 skill animal empathy is still there, so this could be an indication that the skills were not made to conform to 3.5. I would say that, yes, those classes are for a d20 game, but not a D&D 3.5 game.

Mike Miller
2018-02-11, 09:41 AM
Do the Gothic Earth classes really count as being compatible with D&D 3.5, though? I found an Internet Archive link to the Living Death Campaign site (https://web.archive.org/web/20041201161149/http://www.livingdeath.org:80/). There are two different PDFs there which seem largely dependent upon the D&D 3.5 PHB, because they don't reprint tables and such, but it looks like an actual book (https://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/11/11458.phtml) was printed by the Sword & Sorcery imprint of White Wolf while they had the Ravenloft license. Still, from that review and this blog post (http://mrstu.blogspot.com/2011/05/masque-of-red-death-thoughts.html), I get the impression that the book is about as lopsided as the PDFs. Skills are also significantly different from D&D 3.5; crafts, knowledges and professions are all entirely separate, which means alchemy is once again its own entire skill. Actually, the D&D 3.0 skill animal empathy is still there, so this could be an indication that the skills were not made to conform to 3.5. I would say that, yes, those classes are for a d20 game, but not a D&D 3.5 game.

Hmmm good points. The skills make a good point for it not being 3.5 so I will exclude those.

Also, I will add sources when I get a chance.

Cosi
2018-02-11, 10:34 AM
putting what source each class comes from would be useful too

Lemme take a stab at it:


Adept (DMG)
Archivist (Heroes of Horror)
Ardent (Complete Psionic)
Aristocrat (DMG)
Artificer (Eberron Campaign Setting)
Barbarian (PHB)
Bard (PHB)
Basiran Dancer (???)
Battle Dancer (Dragon Compendium?)
Beguiler (PHBII)
Binder (Tome of Magic)
Brigand (???)
Cleric (PHB)
Commoner (DMG)
Crusader (Tome of Battle)
Death Master (Dragon Compendium)
Divine Mind (Complete Psionic)
Dragon Shaman (PHBII)
Dragonfire Adept (Dragon Magic)
Dread Necromancer (Heroes of Horror)
Druid (PHB)
Duskblade (PHBII)
Eidolon (Ghostwalk?)
Eidoloncer (Ghostwalk?)
Erudite (Complete Psionic, I think -- but there are a lot of versions)
Expert (DMG, Unearthed Arcana)
Factotum (Dungeonscape)
Favored Soul (Complete Divine)
Fighter (PHB)
Gladiator (???)
Healer (Minatures Handbook)
Hexblade (Complete Warrior)
Incarnate (Magic of Incarnum)
Infiltrator (???)
Jester (Dragon Compendium?)
Knight (PHBII)
Lurk (Complete Psionic?)
Magewright (Eberron Campaign Setting)
Mariner (???)
Marshal (Minatures Handbook)
Master (???)
Monk (PHB)
Mountebank (Dragon Compendium?)
Mystic (Dragonlance Campaign Setting?)
Nightstalker (???)
Ninja (Complete Adventurer, Rokugan)
Noble (???)
Paladin (PHB)
Psion (Expanded Psionics Handbook)
Psionic Artificer (Something Eberron -- I want to say ECS ACF, but it might be written up in a book)
Psychic Rogue (???)
Psychic Warrior (Expanded Psionics Handbook)
Ranger (PHB)
Rogue (PHB)
Samurai (Complete Warrior, Oriental Adventures)
Savant (???)
Scout (Complete Adventurer)
Shadowcaster (Tome of Magic)
Sha'ir (???)
Shaman (???)
Shugenja (Complete Divine)
Sohei (???)
Sorcerer (PHB)
Soulborn (Magic of Incarnum)
Soulknife (Expanded Psionics Handbook)
Spellcaster (Unearthed Arcana)
Spellsinger (???)
Spellthief (Complete Arcane)
Spirit Shaman (Complete Divine)
Swashbuckler (Complete Warrior)
Swordsage (Tome of Battle)
Totemist (Magic of Incarnum)
Truenamer (Tome of Magic)
Urban Adept (???)
Warblade (Tome of Battle)
Warlock (Complete Arcane)
Warmage (Minatures Handbook, Complete Arcane)
Warrior (DMG, Unearthed Arcana)
Wilder (Expanded Psionics Handbook)
Wizard (PHB)
Wu Jen (Complete Arcane)

I think I got everything from the main lines. ??? means I have no idea, <book>? means I'm not sure but have a confident guess.

Mike Miller
2018-02-11, 10:40 AM
Lemme take a stab at it:

I think I got everything from the main lines. ??? means I have no idea, <book>? means I'm not sure but have a confident guess.
That's a good start. I plan on making a table and splitting the classes up by source while also maintaining the alphabetic list.

KillingAScarab
2018-02-11, 10:47 AM
Lemme take a stab at it:



I think I got everything from the main lines. ??? means I have no idea, <book>? means I'm not sure but have a confident guess.Yes, erudite is from Complete Psionic, but it is in the back of the book. Don't know why, it's not like you can't play them in the same game as a psion. Guess they didn't want to overshadow divine mind.

Cosi
2018-02-11, 10:49 AM
Yes, erudite is from Complete Psionic, but it is in the back of the book. Don't know why, it's not like you can't play them in the same game as a psion. Guess they didn't want to overshadow divine mind.

Yeah. But there's also the web-enhancement Spell-to-Power Erudite and (IIRC) there was a version in Dragon Magazine (which, IIRC, is where some of the debate about what "unique powers per day" comes from).

KillingAScarab
2018-02-11, 11:09 AM
Yeah. But there's also the web-enhancement Spell-to-Power Erudite...This part is just a reference to one of the many alternate class features found in four Mind's Eye: Expanded Classes articles. The same one (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070629a) also covers ACFs for divine mind, lurk and ardent. ACFs won't warrant additional entries, only the original.

Mike Miller
2018-02-11, 11:26 AM
I am away from my books at the moment, but wasn't erudite in dragon compendium too? If so, which was printed later? XPH CP or DrC?

KillingAScarab
2018-02-11, 11:40 AM
I am away from my books at the moment, but wasn't erudite in dragon compendium too? If so, which was printed later? XPH or DrC?The first printing of Complete Psionic was April 2006. I didn't know it, but I guess erudite was first printed in Dragon #319 (http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2fdlh?erudite-from-dargon-319).

lylsyly
2018-02-11, 02:03 PM
XPH April 2004
DrC October 2005

DEMON
2018-02-11, 02:39 PM
I am away from my books at the moment, but wasn't erudite in dragon compendium too? If so, which was printed later? XPH or DrC?

As far as I know, Erudite is not in either of those books. Only in CPsi as a Psion variant.

Mike Miller
2018-02-11, 02:49 PM
As far as I know, Erudite is not in either of those books. Only in CPsi as a Psion variant.

My mistake. I meant CP but I wrote XPH. You are correct. It is not in the dragon compendium. I am going to exclude the erudite from the list because it is a variant psion, though. Also, I removed the ghost walk entries because they are actually 3.0.

BowStreetRunner
2018-02-11, 03:05 PM
Technomancer Press put out a book called "Player’s Companion – Getting More Out of Your PHB" that included Exemplar, Friar, Inventor, and Magnifico as additional base classes. It's not an official WoTC product, certainly. However, I seem to recall they were used often enough that they even received HeroForge treatment back when that tool was still being updated.

Thurbane
2018-02-11, 03:55 PM
How about Racial Paragon classes from UA? And the Kobold Paragon (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060127a) class?

Mike Miller
2018-02-11, 04:09 PM
How about Racial Paragon classes from UA? And the Kobold Paragon (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060127a) class?

Those aren't base classes, though. I am just looking at levels that are published 1-20. The paragon classes are only 3 levels each.

DEMON
2018-02-11, 04:52 PM
Also, I removed the ghost walk entries because they are actually 3.0.

You shouldn't, as Ghostwalk got an official 3.5 update (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20031225a).

Mike Miller
2018-02-11, 05:31 PM
You shouldn't, as Ghostwalk got an official 3.5 update (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20031225a).

Oooh good call. I wasn't aware of that update.

Thurbane
2018-02-11, 05:33 PM
Those aren't base classes, though. I am just looking at levels that are published 1-20. The paragon classes are only 3 levels each.

Also, I decided to add the variants after getting the standard base classes, for a better index.

Well, technically they are base classes (they aren't prestige classes), just not base classes with 20 levels.

Mike Miller
2018-02-11, 05:36 PM
Well, technically they are base classes (they aren't prestige classes), just not base classes with 20 levels.

Well, I would like to keep this list of just 1-20 classes. Thanks for pointing them out though, in case I add something else eventually. Right now they are outside the scope of this list

Thurbane
2018-02-11, 06:26 PM
Oriental Adventures Shaman?

VisitingDaGulag
2018-02-13, 01:24 AM
Welcome to the boards OP. There are other forums that have reference material for base classes.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=D%26D+base+class+reference

BowStreetRunner
2018-02-13, 10:01 AM
Welcome to the boards OP. There are other forums that have reference material for base classes.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=D%26D+base+class+reference

Welcome to the boards AMVisitingDaGulag. Passive-aggressive much? I think the OP made clear that they have looked and the lists they found were incomplete or had unnecessary inclusions. I got this from reading the OP, which you can find here: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?550696-Truly-Complete-list-of-3-5e-Base-Classes

Mike Miller
2018-02-13, 01:44 PM
Welcome to the boards OP. There are other forums that have reference material for base classes.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=D%26D+base+class+reference

By all means, link me to an actual, complete list. I would be quite happy you did. (For real, not being sarcastic)

Otherwise, I will keep working on this compilation when I have time.

Edit: Added variant list/table and added some entries to the standard class list/table. I believe the base classes are complete now. I have started working on variants.

Mike Miller
2018-02-17, 03:05 PM
I have (potentially) a complete list of the base classes now. The variant list is up, as well. I may have missed some variants, but I got the biggest sources that I am aware of (unearthed arcana and dragon mag). Let me know if you are aware of any missing from the list.

Falontani
2018-02-17, 03:09 PM
This is excellent, something I'm going to bookmark for the future; would it be possible to put them in their tiers as well?

Cosi
2018-02-17, 03:15 PM
This is excellent, something I'm going to bookmark for the future; would it be possible to put them in their tiers as well?

No, because some of those classes are not tiered.

Also, listing the tiers is stupid because the tiers are stupid.

Also, the question "what classes are there" is agnostic from "how should we rank the power of classes", and should be answered separately. If you want to use the fully comprehensive list of base classes listed here to make your own class rankings, feel free to do that. But they do not need to be the same project, just like this project does not need to be the same project as projects like "which magic items does each class need".

Falontani
2018-02-17, 03:21 PM
No, because some of those classes are not tiered.

Also, listing the tiers is stupid because the tiers are stupid.

Also, the question "what classes are there" is agnostic from "how should we rank the power of classes", and should be answered separately. If you want to use the fully comprehensive list of base classes listed here to make your own class rankings, feel free to do that. But they do not need to be the same project, just like this project does not need to be the same project as projects like "which magic items does each class need".

All classes have the possibility to possess a tier.
That said your opinion of the tiers is a valid opinion that I do not share.
It was merely a suggestion and something that if I had put forth the effort of making a consolidated list of classes would personally have done and definitely not required for a consolidated list of classes.

DEMON
2018-02-17, 04:22 PM
The next step to make this beyond awesome would be a table listing the BAB, HD, saves, skill points per level and perhaps and short info on what the class is capable of:



Class
HD
BAB
Good Saves
SP/level
Special


Wizard
d4
1/2
Will
2+Int
Arcane Caster (full 9)


Warblade
d12
Full
For
4+Int
Martial Initiator

Mike Miller
2018-02-17, 05:11 PM
This is excellent, something I'm going to bookmark for the future; would it be possible to put them in their tiers as well?

As Cosi said, not all have tiers. I am not sure I want to get into that with this list. I feel the tiers are subjective, but generally useful for some groups.



The next step to make this beyond awesome would be a table listing the BAB, HD, saves, skill points per level and perhaps and short info on what the class is capable of:



Class
HD
BAB
Good Saves
SP/level
Special


Wizard
d4
1/2
Will
2+Int
Arcane Caster (full 9)


Warblade
d12
Full
For
4+Int
Martial Initiator



That is a good idea. I may attempt something like that if I find the willpower and time.

noce
2018-02-17, 05:51 PM
Voodan from Dark Tales and Disturbing Legends (Ravenloft).

DEMON
2018-02-17, 06:23 PM
That is a good idea. I may attempt something like that if I find the willpower and time.

Let me give you a kickstart with most of the more common classes. Please proofread, as I did most of them off memory:



Class
Source
HD
BAB
Good Saves
SP/lvl
Special


Archivist
HoH
d6
1/2
For, Will
4+Int]
Divine Casting (full 9)


Barbarian
PHB
d12
Full
For
4+Int
N/A


Bard
PHB
d6
3/4
Ref, Will
6+Int
Arcane Casting (full 6)


Beguiler
PHB 2
d6
1/2
Will
6+Int
Arcane Casting (full 9)


Binder
ToM
d8
3/4
For, Will
2+Int
Soul Binding



Cleric
PHB
d8
3/4
For, Will
2+Int
Divine Casting (full 9)


Crusader
ToB
d10
Full
For
4+Int
Martial Initiating


Divine Mind
CPsi
d10
3/4
For, Will
2+Int
Manifesting (full-4 6)


Dragon Shaman
PHB 2
d10
3/4
For, Will
2+Int
N/A


Dragonfire Adept
DrM
d8
1/2
For, Will
4+Int
Invocations


Dread Necromancer
HoH
d6
1/2
Will
2+Int
Arcane Casting (full 9)


Druid
PHB
d8
3/4
For, Will
4+Int
Divine Casting (full 9)


Duskblade
PHB 2
d6
Full
For, Will
2+Int
Arcane Casting (full 5)


Factotum
Dung
d8
3/4
Ref
6+Int
Spells as spell-likes (full 8)


Favored Soul
CD
d8
3/4
For, Ref, Will
2+Int
Divine Casting (full 9)


Fighter
PHB
d10
Full
For
2+Int
N/A


Healer
MiH
d8
1/2
For, Will
4+Int
Divine Casting (full 9)


Hexblade
CW
d10
Full
Will
2+Int
Arcane Casting (half 4)


Incarnate
MoI
d6
1/2
For, Will
2+Int
Meldshaping


Knight
PHB 2
d12
Full
Will
2+Int
N/A


Lurk
CPsi
d6
3/4
Ref, Will
4+Int
Manifesting (full 6)


Marshal
MiH
d8
3/4
For, Will
4+Int
N/A


Monk
PBH
d8
3/4
For, Ref, Will
4+Int
N/A


Ninja
CAd
d6
3/4
Ref
6+Int
N/A


Paladin
PHB
d10
Full
For
2+Int
Divine Casting (half 4)


Psion
XPH
d4
1/2
Will
2+Int
Manifesting (full 9)


Psychic Rogue
Web (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040723b)
d6
3/4
Ref
6+Int
Manifesting (full 5)


Psychic Warrior
XPH
d8
3/4
For
2+Int
Manifesting (full 6)


Ranger
PHB
d8
Full
For, Ref
6+Int
Divine Casting (half 4)


Rogue
PHB
d6
3/4
Ref
8+Int
N/A


Samurai
CW
d10
Full
For
2+Int
N/A


Scout
CAd
d8
3/4
Ref
8+Int
N/A


Shadowcaster
ToM
d6
1/2
For, Will
2+Int
Mysteries (full 9)


Shugenja
CD
d6
1/2
Will
4+Int
Divine Casting (full 9)


Sorcerer
PHB
d4
1/2
Will
2+Int
Arcane Casting (full 9)


Soulborn
MoI
d10
Full
For
2+Int
Meldshaping


Soulknife
XPH
d10
3/4
Ref, Will
4+Int
N/A


Spellthief
CAd
d6
3/4
Will
6+Int
Arcane Casting (half 4)


Spirit Shaman
CD
d8
3/4
For, Will
4+Int
Divine Casting (full 9)


Swashbuckler
CW
d10
Full
For
4+Int
N/A


Swordsage
ToB
d8
3/4
Ref, Will
6+Int
Martial Initiating


Totemist
MoI
d8
3/4
For, Ref
4+Int
Meldshaping


Truenamer
ToM
d6
3/4
Will
4+Int
Truenaming


Warblade
ToB
d12
Full
For
4+Int
Martial Initiating


Warlock
CArc
d6
3/4
Will
2+Int
Invocations


Warmage
CArc
d6
1/2
Will
2+Int
Arcane Casting (full 9)


Wilder
XPH
d6
3/4
Will
4+Int
Manifesting (full 9)


Wizard
PHB
d4
1/2
Will
2+Int
Arcane Casting (full 9)


Wu Jen
CArc
d4
1/2
Will
2+Int
Arcane Casting (full 9)



That's it from my side. You'll have to do the rest of the classes.

As a side note, tables this big are a freaking pita.

DEMON
2018-02-18, 07:02 PM
I hope I've kicked this off with the 49 classes, but the NPC, Dragonlance, Drac Comp and some other classes will have to be covered by someone else.

In the end, this should be a very nice source for the community.

Yogibear41
2019-01-05, 11:29 PM
Never seen the "player's companion" book before. Anything in there worth trying to track the book down online?

Mike Miller
2019-01-06, 08:38 AM
Never seen the "player's companion" book before. Anything in there worth trying to track the book down online?

Here (http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?247381-The-Player-s-Companion-Getting-More-Out-of-Your-PHB) is a description of what is inside the book. There are new races, classes, etc. It is not OGL and is 3rd party, so keep that in mind.

Troacctid
2019-01-06, 01:39 PM
Here (http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?247381-The-Player-s-Companion-Getting-More-Out-of-Your-PHB) is a description of what is inside the book. There are new races, classes, etc. It is not OGL and is 3rd party, so keep that in mind.
I feel like 3rd party content prooobably wants to be labeled in a list like this.

HouseRules
2019-01-06, 06:57 PM
Never seen the "player's companion" book before. Anything in there worth trying to track the book down online?

Please do not necro a thread 11 months old.

Jowgen
2019-01-06, 10:09 PM
Please do not necro a thread 11 months old.

The time has come... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awT8FFHKikc)

Also, isn't there technically an exception for handbooks (which I think lists like this qualify as), or am I remembering from the wrong board?

Ruethgar
2019-01-07, 03:36 AM
Technically speaking there are a lot more classes if you count Alternate Base Classes like the Targeteer and Kensai from Dragon 310(I think).

Also I see you mentioned Ravenloft, and Kalamar, the Warcraft books share a similar semi-official status. It has been a while, but I know it had a Healer base class in it.

You also seem to be lacking the Generic classes. Racial classes can be classified as vase classes but their exclusion is fine by me, there are so many.

Edit: damnit, need to pay attention to dates >.<

Mike Miller
2019-01-07, 05:13 AM
Technically speaking there are a lot more classes if you count Alternate Base Classes like the Targeteer and Kensai from Dragon 310(I think).

Also I see you mentioned Ravenloft, and Kalamar, the Warcraft books share a similar semi-official status. It has been a while, but I know it had a Healer base class in it.

You also seem to be lacking the Generic classes. Racial classes can be classified as vase classes but their exclusion is fine by me, there are so many.

Edit: damnit, need to pay attention to dates >.<

If by general you mean adept and warrior etc, I have them listed. Also, I have the dragon classes you mentioned as well. They are in the variant table.

remetagross
2019-01-07, 05:40 AM
Wow, Dragonlance actually contains a rather sizable content of new base classes. And that Voodan guy from Ravenloft...it's a very nice class, actually!

Ruethgar
2019-01-07, 11:01 AM
Generic Warrior, Generic Spellcaster, Generic Expert, in Unearned Arcana, not the NPC classes.

Also the ABCs I mentioned were just ones I recalled off hand to illustrate the point, looking at the list you are certainly missing some Wizard alternate base classes, there were a few necromancer variants in particular I’m not seeing, Deathmaster I think, also the Reaper. AFB and I only used the classes once each so I can’t be sure what Dragon Magazine they were in.

Deathwalker, Soul Reaper, Flesh Crafter DrM 312 pg 30+, wizards. Anti-Paladin, Corrupter, and Despot from the same source, pg 20+, paladins.

Gnome Paladin DrM 329 p94. Technically should be racial substitution but it's not worded that way and has the full 20 levels listed.

Non-Spellcasting Paladin and Ranger Complete Warrior. Wyrmslayer(paladin) DrM 332 pg 90. Wilderness Rogue UA. Poltergiest DrM 336 pg 107 sorcerer. Witch Dmg pg 175. Maybe the Urban Adept from Sharn pg 167.

Edit: As a side note, Soul Reapers are pretty awesome. I made an Awakened Cat in E6 to be the goddess of death and this class is what let her and her reapers gather souls. They would be destroyed within a week or two to fuel she and the other gods(they were only E6 characters, they needed the power), so resurrection was unlikely unless you personally knew death and could ask her to hold a soul for you.

Thurbane
2019-01-07, 03:38 PM
Please do not necro a thread 11 months old.

That's why posts have a report icon (triangle containing an exclamation mark). It's better to report than to comment on the infringement, if you have concerns.

Mike Miller
2019-01-07, 04:26 PM
Please do not necro a thread 11 months old.

I concur with Thurbane's post above. Also, I am the original poster and we are adding to the index. :smallsmile:

Tzardok
2019-03-05, 03:27 AM
I just found this thread. Thank you, this list is going to be very useful.:smallsmile:
I noticed that you have the five variant paladins from Dragon #310 there, but you are missing the three evil paladin variants from Dragon #312.
I hope that helped.

Mike Miller
2019-03-05, 12:16 PM
I just found this thread. Thank you, this list is going to be very useful.:smallsmile:
I noticed that you have the five variant paladins from Dragon #310 there, but you are missing the three evil paladin variants from Dragon #312.
I hope that helped.

Good catch. I will add those soon.

Vrock Bait
2019-07-13, 09:56 PM
Ummm... you’re missing all the Dragon magazine variants. And Dragon magazine base classes. Sentinel. Naturalist. Pugilist. Bodyguard. Commander. Corsair. Exoticist. Fencer. Horseman. Kensai(variant fighter). Geisha. Survivalist. Shield Bearer. Knght(fighter variant). Avenger. Anarch. Incarnate(paladín variant). Enforcer. Local Hero. Aristocrat Thief. Ancestral Speaker. Arcane Disciple(cleric variant). Aspirant. Benevolent. Crusader(cleric variant). Evangelist(cleric variant). Wild Reaper. Wind Walker. Metal Master. Winter Warden. Martial Artist. Monastic Defender. Spirit Warrior.
Sources:
Dragon #289, 305, 310, And 311. Probably more I missed. You get the point.

Mike Miller
2019-07-14, 11:52 AM
Ummm... you’re missing all the Dragon magazine variants. And Dragon magazine base classes. Sentinel. Naturalist. Pugilist. Bodyguard. Commander. Corsair. Exoticist. Fencer. Horseman. Kensai(variant fighter). Geisha. Survivalist. Shield Bearer. Knght(fighter variant). Avenger. Anarch. Incarnate(paladín variant). Enforcer. Local Hero. Aristocrat Thief. Ancestral Speaker. Arcane Disciple(cleric variant). Aspirant. Benevolent. Crusader(cleric variant). Evangelist(cleric variant). Wild Reaper. Wind Walker. Metal Master. Winter Warden. Martial Artist. Monastic Defender. Spirit Warrior.
Sources:
Dragon #289, 305, 310, And 311. Probably more I missed. You get the point.

Did you look at the variant table? Read the first row of the "Dragon" entries...

I will double check at some point but I have a lot if not all of those

Buufreak
2019-07-14, 12:54 PM
Did you look at the variant table?

He's a necroing pixie, most historical signs point to no.

Cool list, though!

Vrock Bait
2019-07-14, 09:16 PM
Sorry, my bad. Anyway... you’re only missing the variants from 305 and 289.

305:
Naturalist, Aristocrat Thief, and Local Hero.

289:
Martial Artist, Monastic Defender, and Spirit Warrior.



He's a necroing pixie, most historical signs point to no.
I prefer pixie dread necromancer 5/master of shrouds 2.

flat_footed
2019-07-15, 01:13 AM
The Fullmetal Mod: Thread Necromancy is a forbidden art.