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Costantine10
2018-02-22, 04:14 AM
I'm a focused specialist conjurer Level 1.
Forbidden school: invocation, necromancy (since in the DM world is illegal) and enanchment
My spells are: enlarge person, grease, wall of smoke, bening traispotaition, alarm, summon monster I, color spray, mage armor, shield, protection from evil, silent image.

I have like 50 gold, and i want to buy 2 scrolls for spells that are effective vs Undead, what to pick?

Zombimode
2018-02-22, 04:55 AM
I'm a focused specialist conjurer Level 1.
Forbidden school: invocation, necromancy (since in the DM world is illegal) and enanchment
My spells are: enlarge person, grease, wall of smoke, bening traispotaition, alarm, summon monster I, color spray, mage armor, shield, protection from evil, silent image.

I have like 50 gold, and i want to buy 2 scrolls for spells that are effective vs Undead, what to pick?

With your forbidden Schools I don't think there are spells specifically vs. undead.

Command Undead is Necromancy and Light of Lunia is Evocation.

Good damage spells like the Lesser Orbs work vs. undead as well as vs. anything else. Just don't pick Cold and you're good. Orbs are also Conjuration, so thats a Bonus.

Matrota
2018-02-22, 05:16 AM
Protection From Evil is a solid choice for obvious reasons. There's also Grave Strike (SpC p. 107) which allows you to sneak attack undead. Then again, it's personal range, and unless you're multiclassing or giving the scroll to your party rogue, it's not all that great. There is also Hide From Undead, which is basically invisibility but exclusive. And also Cure Light Wounds.

Kelb_Panthera
2018-02-22, 06:00 AM
Bad news: you've pretty much shot yourself in the foot in regard to undead specific strategies. Basically everything you're looking for in that area is necromancy. Gonna just have to hope your general defenses are adequate.

Good news: Lost Empires of Faerun has a set of three feats that get you back a prohibited school; spell reprieve, item reprieve, and arcane transfiguration. The first gets you one spell from a prohibited school, the second the ability to activate spell completion and spell trigger items from the same school, and the third gets the whole school back as though you never prohibited it.

Bullet06320
2018-02-22, 06:43 AM
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/specialistWizardVariants.htm#conjurerVariants
Rapid Summoning ACF, cast your summon monsters faster and use them to beat down the undead faster, flanking buddies for your melee types in your party, look for critters that have useful SLAs to help you in your moment of need, conjuration specialist have a very wide range of options, its all in what you summon and when you summon it, gets even better when planar binding comes on line later

here are some use links that may also be helpful to you
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?498825-the-Conjurer-s-Handbook
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?528090-Mastering-the-Malconvoker
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?527203-Summoning-Handbook
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?444042-Legal-3-5-Summonable-Monster-List
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?255219-The-Summoner-s-Desk-Reference-D-amp-D-3-5

Eldariel
2018-02-22, 07:37 AM
Almost all basic control spells from the Wizard list are useful vs. Undead. On level 1 that means Grease (down the line Glitterdust and Web open up your options though you'll have to wait until level 6 for an Undead-affecting Fort-save targeting spell due to their immunities). Silent Image is another one that works vs. all undead but particularly well against mindless undead, and of course, Enlarge Person is applicable vs. basically anything. Wall of Smoke is sadly a Fort-based Nausea-effect to which Undead are immune. However, the concealment effects of Obscuring Mist/Wall of Smoke/etc. still work just fine vs. Undead as well. Of course, Orb of X-spells do the same. But yeah, level 2 spells is where the anti-Undead effects are at.

Mike Miller
2018-02-22, 08:56 AM
The metamagic feat, Energize Spell helps. It increases damage vs undead but decreases damage vs non-undead

Eldariel
2018-02-22, 09:23 AM
The metamagic feat, Energize Spell helps. It increases damage vs undead but decreases damage vs non-undead

Why are people going on about damage? That's not a level 1 Wizard's strong point, definitely not in scrolls.

Costantine10
2018-02-22, 09:50 AM
Almost all basic control spells from the Wizard list are useful vs. Undead. On level 1 that means Grease (down the line Glitterdust and Web open up your options though you'll have to wait until level 6 for an Undead-affecting Fort-save targeting spell due to their immunities). Silent Image is another one that works vs. all undead but particularly well against mindless undead, and of course, Enlarge Person is applicable vs. basically anything. Wall of Smoke is sadly a Fort-based Nausea-effect to which Undead are immune. However, the concealment effects of Obscuring Mist/Wall of Smoke/etc. still work just fine vs. Undead as well. Of course, Orb of X-spells do the same. But yeah, level 2 spells is where the anti-Undead effects are at.

This we won our last combat thank to grease, i prepare 2 and 1 enlarge person + walla of smoke e bening traispotaition

Mike Miller
2018-02-22, 10:21 AM
Why are people going on about damage? That's not a level 1 Wizard's strong point, definitely not in scrolls.

It is worth noting all possibilities. Who knows what options will seem best over time to that character?

Falontani
2018-02-22, 04:36 PM
Seriously? Necromancy as a whole outlawed? Sounds to me like you should have chosen necromancy and led a revolution. Necromancy is not evil. Just because a few spells have the evil descriptor doesn't make the school as a whole evil. You are playing with the forces of life and death, and imo it is much better to control a mindless skeleton than a demon.

Mike Miller
2018-02-22, 07:50 PM
Seriously? Necromancy as a whole outlawed? Sounds to me like you should have chosen necromancy and led a revolution. Necromancy is not evil. Just because a few spells have the evil descriptor doesn't make the school as a whole evil. You are playing with the forces of life and death, and imo it is much better to control a mindless skeleton than a demon.

I agree. I always felt the Enchantment school is far more evil. BBEGs that use Enchantment spells can make a lot more interesting set of plot twists than Necromancy spells.

RoboEmperor
2018-02-22, 10:11 PM
Seriously? Necromancy as a whole outlawed? Sounds to me like you should have chosen necromancy and led a revolution. Necromancy is not evil. Just because a few spells have the evil descriptor doesn't make the school as a whole evil. You are playing with the forces of life and death, and imo it is much better to control a mindless skeleton than a demon.

This kind of stuff is typical for a noob learning DM. Such DMs tie you up on a train track so they can railroad you over and over again until they learn how to play.

I personally never had trouble against undead. All the standard summoning, blasting, or BFC spells destroy undead without you needing to switch to anti-undead save or dies.

ayvango
2018-02-22, 10:28 PM
Seriously? Necromancy as a whole outlawed?
Nothing special. I had played once in a setting where entire Transmutation was outlawed.

Balance-wise it is a better choice than Necromancy.

Segev
2018-02-23, 05:34 PM
The usual staples of battlefield control work just fine on undead. Grease, web, glitterdust (for all their immunities, Blindness isn't one of them)... Just be aware that you can't use mind-affecting or death-based effects, and stay away from cold since a lot of them are immune to that, too. Fire tends to work well, and is a common spell energy type.

Telonius
2018-02-23, 05:49 PM
This will be for future reference, but Shadow Evocation will work just fine on undead (even mindless ones). It's not a Mind-Affecting spell, even though it has a Will save. It's one of the standard sneaky ways of getting around Evocation being a banned school. So a Shadow Evocation of Light of Lunia would be effective against a Skeleton for example.