Mind Blank, can you voluntarily let mind-affecting spells affect you?

[magicalmagicman]

If you have mind blank on, can you voluntarily let mind-affecting spells affect you?

[Braininthejar2]

Adding to the question: can you receive sending spells?

[Jack_Simth]

If you have mind blank on, can you voluntarily let mind-affecting spells affect you?

RAW, yes (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#voluntarilyGivingupaSavingTh row)
A creature can voluntarily forego a saving throw and willingly accept a spell’s result. Even a character with a special resistance to magic can suppress this quality. (emphasis added)

The Player's Handbook uses the example of an Elf accepting a Sleep spell, but WotC removed the example when they built the SRD.
Adding to the question: can you receive sending spells?
Why couldn't you? Sending is not a divination, nor mind-affecting, nor does it give the caster any information unless you reply.

[magicalmagicman]

RAW, yes (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#voluntarilyGivingupaSavingTh row)(emphasis added)

The Player's Handbook uses the example of an Elf accepting a Sleep spell, but WotC removed the example when they built the SRD.

Thank you for the example from the PHB. The RAW quote isn't exactly definitive, but the example definitely is.

[Braininthejar2]

Why couldn't you? Sending is not a divination, nor mind-affecting, nor does it give the caster any information unless you reply.

Because it implicitly has a built-in divination effect to find the recipient - In OOTS one whole story arc happened because the Cloister spell blocked both. (it did explicitly block communication though, so it proves nothing)

[emeraldstreak]

It's possible to willingly fail a save, or to lower SR as a standard action, but I'm not aware of a way to "lower" an immunity.

[RoboEmperor]

It's possible to willingly fail a save, or to lower SR as a standard action, but I'm not aware of a way to "lower" an immunity.

Official example shows an elf lowering its sleep immunity and falling asleep.

[Crake]

Because it implicitly has a built-in divination effect to find the recipient - In OOTS one whole story arc happened because the Cloister spell blocked both. (it did explicitly block communication though, so it proves nothing)

OOTS takes writing liberties with certain rules for dramatic effect, you can't always look there for definitive rules advice. If it had any form of divination, or was blocked by anti divination, it would say so, but it doesn't.

[Red Fel]

OOTS takes writing liberties with certain rules for dramatic effect, you can't always look there for definitive rules advice. If it had any form of divination, or was blocked by anti divination, it would say so, but it doesn't.

This. There's very rarely anything "implicit" about spells - the spell effect is what is described, no more, no less. If there's no divination tag or reference, it's not a divination spell, no matter how much it would make sense for it to be.

[Jack_Simth]

Because it implicitly has a built-in divination effect to find the recipient - In OOTS one whole story arc happened because the Cloister spell blocked both. (it did explicitly block communication though, so it proves nothing)
There's nothing about it finding where you are. Besides, with a telegram, you had to know where to send it, not just to who.

[MaxiDuRaritry]

This. There's very rarely anything "implicit" about spells - the spell effect is what is described, no more, no less.Except illusions. Illusions have all sorts of impliciticity about them.

[Hiro Quester]

We had a similar discussion about the mind-affecting bardic music. You aren't failing a saving throw to be affected by your barty bard's Inspire Courage, while covered by Mind Blank. It's a Su ability, not a spell.

We house ruled that even if it isn't a spell, but a Su ability, if you knew about an effect (e.g. by hearing the bard sing) you could just "let it in".

[Necroticplague]

Except illusions. Illusions have all sorts of impliciticity about them. Not really. Open-ended, yes, but still strictly doing what the spell says.

And heck, most Illusions aren’t even that. It’s mostly just Figments that are open ended, just like how Polymorph line is disproportionately open ended Transmutation line.


There's nothing about it finding where you are. Besides, with a telegram, you had to know where to send it, not just to who.

And if you have a cell phone, you don’t need that. Only a number.