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hammerspace
2018-04-29, 05:37 AM
are there cranium rats in 4e?
if not, are there fanmade stats for cranium rats?

hamishspence
2018-04-29, 05:43 AM
EN World has made stats for them:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?314257-3-phase-boss-monster-cranium-rat-hive-mind

hammerspace
2018-04-29, 06:04 AM
Thanks, it feels like I am missing things.

some of the powers work based on the enviroment
a map would have been nice

there are cranium rat minions mentioned but I don't see any stats for those

hamishspence
2018-04-29, 07:31 AM
I haven't had much luck when googling them.

EDIT: DMG2 (page 207) has stats for a Cranium Rat Swarm, but it's not a minion, but a "regular" monster - Level 14 Controller.

I'm not sure where EN World's Cranium Rat Minion is statted - Dragon Magazine maybe?

hammerspace
2018-04-29, 02:51 PM
thanks I never would have found them on my own.
I think I can translate cranium rat swarm into individual rats based on how normal rats and normal rat swarms relate

Yakk
2018-04-29, 04:58 PM
Cranium rats are supposed to get more magical the more of them there are; individual cranium rats are not supposed to be very magical?

hammerspace
2018-04-29, 05:58 PM
yeah they're probably just reallly clever rats that work as extra eyes for the swarms.
but the homemade swarm used individual rats as minions for certain effects without listing any stats
I probably just use the DMG 2 swarms

and if i want to use individual rats I'll just use monster manual 1 rats with level adjustment

hammerspace
2018-04-30, 05:29 AM
hmmm the sewer for the cranium rats in dmg 2 looks rather cool.
is there an easy way to get a decent copy of that so I can print it out on a good scale?