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SangoProduction
2018-05-11, 08:18 PM
There seems to be no rules regarding the range at which you can make a feint attempt. Indeed, the only reference to melee is in the feint rules specifically under Combat (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat/#TOC-Feint), and not under any of the feats (Greater Feint (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/greater-feint-combat-final/) says normally, they lose the dex against an attack, not specifically melee), nor Bluff (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/bluff/).

So...which interpretation is correct? That it's just for your next attack, or next melee attack. The former has more examples. The latter is specific rules on combat. Is there an actual FAQ on this?

And for Greater Feint, if the latter interpretation is taken, how does this affect others who don't use melee weapons? I mean, the feat, again, makes no specifications for not losing the bonus when attacked against range, so it should just be a simple case of them losing their dex, period. Right?

Kelb_Panthera
2018-05-11, 08:42 PM
There seems to be no rules regarding the range at which you can make a feint attempt. Indeed, the only reference to melee is in the feint rules specifically under Combat (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat/#TOC-Feint), and not under any of the feats (Greater Feint (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/greater-feint-combat-final/) says normally, they lose the dex against an attack, not specifically melee), nor Bluff (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/bluff/).

So...which interpretation is correct? That it's just for your next attack, or next melee attack. The former has more examples. The latter is specific rules on combat. Is there an actual FAQ on this?

And for Greater Feint, if the latter interpretation is taken, how does this affect others who don't use melee weapons? I mean, the feat, again, makes no specifications for not losing the bonus when attacked against range, so it should just be a simple case of them losing their dex, period. Right?

There's no contradiction here so there's nothing to interpret. Both improved and greater feint refer back to the standard feint rules which specify both that the attack must be melee and that it must come from you. Improved changes the action, greater the duration, but neither explicitly releases either of the normal restrictions on attack type or source as they would have to for an exception in an exception based rules system like PF or D&D.