Mattinthehat273
2018-06-03, 11:39 PM
Im currently playing a level 8 character (wizard 5, LOCK 3) and I'm trying to understand if this will play and I'm not necessarily sure if it will.
I have this small AOE spell "cloud of daggers" which states that a creature who enters the area or starts it's turn in the area will take damage.
My intentions are this if it plays:
-cast the spell on target within 5ft of me (of course not directed at me too)
-the target takes 6d4 as 3rd lvl spell
- I than would like to actually get risky and before finishing my turn move from the target (giving him an opportunity attack - reaction against me intentionally)
*Question*
*will this unprecedented extra action from the creature standing in an AOE allow damage again? *
Now if yes or no, the creature won't take damage from that AOE again until it starts it's next turn, correct?
I'm unsure if this is viable because spells describe specifically how they're cast, where "cloud of daggers" only states it allows damage to creatures entering area or starting their turn in area. (I truly believe that this technicality in description of the spell isn't taking account of this scenario I've thought of)
However this reaction is unprecedented and not officially a "turn" it is the creature interrupting my turn after spell cast and this creature is taking an extra action in combat overruling initiative "turns" (as reactions do) while standing in a cloud of daggers, logically I believe it should allow a damage roll.
I know everyone in combat gets only gets 1 turn consisting of movement, 1 action, & if possible 1 bonus action, and 1 reaction. Basically I'm almost considering (through interpretation of reactions) that a "reaction" could technically be considered as an extra turn in a single round of combat.
* Instead of specifically an "opportunity attack" but an "oppurtunity turn" if you will*
*question*
Is any of this plausible to some extent? I believe logically it should be allowed and there is no official rule for an "extra turn" and turns are controlled by an initiative, but a reaction could be just that though. Right?
It is the only combat action that can overrule initiative "turns" (other than legendary or maybe conditions) allowing them to be activated whenever necessary and even interrupt someone's turn regardless of your own actual turn; and because unless your player is specialized in some feat, spell or finds an opportunity you wouldn't be allowed any reaction otherwise.
Please I'm actually curious if this Is a logical interpretation of reaction in combat that could allow the scenario damage I described above.
Thanks
*However this is my full thought of combo for some serious damage if this does play lol*
Start my turn
-use bonus action "hex" on creature within 5 Ft of me (or use some but not full movement speed after hex to approach target)
-use main action to than cast "cloud of daggers" on target space
-roll damage from "cloud of daggers" as this is the first time creature is in AOE + additional hex damage for hit (6d4 +1d6)
-use remaining movement to walk away intentionally provoking an oppurtunity attack from target, target then attempts to melee attack me while still standing in AOE taking an extra action this round but also taking damage from daggers and hex again immediately (6d4 +1d6)
-if the targets opportunity attack hits me I will use my own reaction "hellish rebuke" on target-roll damage plus "hex" (3d10 +1d6)
-end turn (note if opp attack is a miss it will also end turn)
- initiative goes around and provided that creature still stands it starts it's next turn in AOE
-roll damage (6d4 +1d6)
Wouldn't this combo be amazing if it's allowed to play?! That is a tremendous amount of damage that could be done over the course of basically only 1 round.
Thoughts please, and if it's not allowed I totally understand.
I have this small AOE spell "cloud of daggers" which states that a creature who enters the area or starts it's turn in the area will take damage.
My intentions are this if it plays:
-cast the spell on target within 5ft of me (of course not directed at me too)
-the target takes 6d4 as 3rd lvl spell
- I than would like to actually get risky and before finishing my turn move from the target (giving him an opportunity attack - reaction against me intentionally)
*Question*
*will this unprecedented extra action from the creature standing in an AOE allow damage again? *
Now if yes or no, the creature won't take damage from that AOE again until it starts it's next turn, correct?
I'm unsure if this is viable because spells describe specifically how they're cast, where "cloud of daggers" only states it allows damage to creatures entering area or starting their turn in area. (I truly believe that this technicality in description of the spell isn't taking account of this scenario I've thought of)
However this reaction is unprecedented and not officially a "turn" it is the creature interrupting my turn after spell cast and this creature is taking an extra action in combat overruling initiative "turns" (as reactions do) while standing in a cloud of daggers, logically I believe it should allow a damage roll.
I know everyone in combat gets only gets 1 turn consisting of movement, 1 action, & if possible 1 bonus action, and 1 reaction. Basically I'm almost considering (through interpretation of reactions) that a "reaction" could technically be considered as an extra turn in a single round of combat.
* Instead of specifically an "opportunity attack" but an "oppurtunity turn" if you will*
*question*
Is any of this plausible to some extent? I believe logically it should be allowed and there is no official rule for an "extra turn" and turns are controlled by an initiative, but a reaction could be just that though. Right?
It is the only combat action that can overrule initiative "turns" (other than legendary or maybe conditions) allowing them to be activated whenever necessary and even interrupt someone's turn regardless of your own actual turn; and because unless your player is specialized in some feat, spell or finds an opportunity you wouldn't be allowed any reaction otherwise.
Please I'm actually curious if this Is a logical interpretation of reaction in combat that could allow the scenario damage I described above.
Thanks
*However this is my full thought of combo for some serious damage if this does play lol*
Start my turn
-use bonus action "hex" on creature within 5 Ft of me (or use some but not full movement speed after hex to approach target)
-use main action to than cast "cloud of daggers" on target space
-roll damage from "cloud of daggers" as this is the first time creature is in AOE + additional hex damage for hit (6d4 +1d6)
-use remaining movement to walk away intentionally provoking an oppurtunity attack from target, target then attempts to melee attack me while still standing in AOE taking an extra action this round but also taking damage from daggers and hex again immediately (6d4 +1d6)
-if the targets opportunity attack hits me I will use my own reaction "hellish rebuke" on target-roll damage plus "hex" (3d10 +1d6)
-end turn (note if opp attack is a miss it will also end turn)
- initiative goes around and provided that creature still stands it starts it's next turn in AOE
-roll damage (6d4 +1d6)
Wouldn't this combo be amazing if it's allowed to play?! That is a tremendous amount of damage that could be done over the course of basically only 1 round.
Thoughts please, and if it's not allowed I totally understand.