Haley has a Good Point.

[JasonDoomsblade]

Around the time Haley and Belkar get Roy's body, she mentions that the MitD seems to be a child. The thing is, what if she's right? What if MitD is a super powered Demon Child?

[Seeker]

It's almost as if this theory hasn't been brought up countless times before! /sarcasm :smallsigh:

[JackMage666]

What if it's a being so unimaginably evil, he has reverted to an innocent, childlike facade?

I don't know about super powered demon child, but it is awfully childish, representig a naive, and rather unintelligent creature. Powerful, yes, but perhaps just another take on the "Powerful, yet stupid, Brute" steriotype.

[Querzis]

I don't know about super powered demon child, but it is awfully childish, representig a naive, and rather unintelligent creature. Powerful, yes, but perhaps just another take on the "Powerful, yet stupid, Brute" steriotype.

He isnt dumb at all, hes naive and curious but otherwise I never saw him do anything especially stupid, just things that reflect his inexperience and his ignorance of things around him. All of this point to a child or at least a very childlike creature but he doesnt seems unintelligent to me at all.

[Kish]

He isnt dumb at all, hes naive and curious but otherwise I never saw him do anything especially stupid, just things that reflect his inexperience and his ignorance of things around him. All of this point to a child or at least a very childlike creature but he doesnt seems unintelligent to me at all.
"Gate? What gate?"

[John Campbell]

"Gate? What gate?"

So Spot's not a class skill for him. That doesn't make him dumb.

[Querzis]

"Gate? What gate?"

This can just means two things: 1. He cant see the gate for some reasons.

2. Hes joking.

Seriously, thats not dumb, thats just why the hell dont you see it when its right in front of you? If hes able to recognize dwarf porn then he can recognize a gate. Hell, did anyone said that V and Haley were dumb because they werent able to see the goblins ninja when they were right in front of them?

[Pun Pun]

A bad spot modifier, he failed the check multiple times, does point to lacking wisdom.

I really can't see any evidence backing up Haley thining hes a child besides the umbrella Redclock gave him

So, hes unwise, that does not mean that hes a child, Haleys dating Elan remember!

[Arakune]

"Gate? What gate?"

low wis=low spot.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Re the Gate: He's surrounded by magical darkness (actual darkness, not the Darkness spell). The Gate therefore has concealment relative to him...of course, so does everything else...

Also, he seems to have the wisdom and perceptive skills of your typical mailbox.

[David Argall]

He isnt dumb at all, hes naive and curious but otherwise I never saw him do anything especially stupid, just things that reflect his inexperience and his ignorance of things around him. All of this point to a child or at least a very childlike creature but he doesnt seems unintelligent to me at all.

I can't say I can recall an incident when he didn't seem stupid. A definitely partial list
477 doesn’t notice Haley and party are fleeing

431 can’t understand the false Xykons

415 general inanity

374 game playing

For those with SoD, see page 84, bottom row

It is not just inexperience, it is an inability to recall experience of even a minute ago.

[squidthingy]

AI really can't see any evidence backing up Haley thining hes a child besides the umbrella Redclock gave him


I don't know, mabye the fact that the CitD was having a tea party when haley found him [/sarcasm]

[Querzis]

I can't say I can recall an incident when he didn't seem stupid. A definitely partial list
477 doesn’t notice Haley and party are fleeing

431 can’t understand the false Xykons

415 general inanity

374 game playing

For those with SoD, see page 84, bottom row

It is not just inexperience, it is an inability to recall experience of even a minute ago.

Yes I know, he as the attention span of a goldfish...whats your point? I dont remember denying his low attention span and as a matter of fact it kinda prove my point since only child with attention deficit disorder usually have that kind of attention span. Thog is very well able to remember things that Nale mentionned to him long ago, even if he doesnt understand it while Einstein was hardly able to remember his own adress or phone numbers and I know lots of other intelligent people who dont remember things they were talking about 2 seconds ago.

Stupidity or unintelligence is being dull or slow-minded and I definitly havent saw anything that show him as dull or slow-minded. If you do, please post it. I have been a monitor at a summer camp 2 years and my cousin had an attention deficit disorder when he was young and everytime the MITD do or say something I can easely relate it to something my cousin, the childs at the summer camp or me and my friends when we were young did. And I'm not just talking about how Elan is carefree and easygoing but really pure childish naivety and lack of attention for anything that doesnt currently interest them.

[DraPrime]

So, hes unwise, that does not mean that hes a child, Haleys dating Elan remember!

And here come the theories about Haley being a pedophile. :smallsigh:

[Setra]

Meh.

Children ARE evil.

So the fact the MitD is childlike, just makes him more evil.

[Kenbert]

Something I'm writing now actually has the same concept ... but from a very different point of view. It's not like it's never been done before, and my concept developed from a very different line of thought, so the concept of extremely powerful children seems to be an ... unexpectedly uncommon occurrence.

[mockingbyrd7]

Meh.

Children ARE evil.

So the fact the MitD is childlike, just makes him more evil.

I find this statement rather offensive. :smallwink:

Back on the subject at hand, I agree that it is literally impossible to fail that spot check. Seriously, it can only be that either: a) he can only see five feet out in front of him, or b) there is some oddball reason that we are unaware of that prevents him from seeing the gates. I mean, a fifty foot high archway rippling with cosmic energy right in front of your face doesn't even need a spot check unless you're blind or you literally can not see the gate.

[Kai Maera]

I hate to point this out, but not understanding the false Xykons isn't really a sign of the MitD's stupidity. Not everyone in a D&D universe plays D&D, and since all skeletons in the comic look the same...

[Holylolth]

One mistake people keep makeing.

Yes, the MitD keeps saying "What gate?"

It doesnt mean he cant see it. When Xykon points it out, the MitD says "Oh. Never noticed that before. Now, back to this gate we were talking about."

Obviously, it can see it, it just cant retain the knowledge. Same as with its stomping ability. The demon roach told it to stomp like it did when Xykon would by him the power ranger action figure. He stomps then says "I didnt know I could do that." Meaning he had done it before, just didt remember.

BTW, I love the umbrella!!

[Krytha]

I find this statement rather offensive. :smallwink:

Well, it's still true. The cruelty of children really knows no bounds.

[Ripsaw]

I actually see the MiTD as a good exposition generator. Because of his (seemingly) inane questions, the other characters are forced to explain things that we (the readers) may not immediately grasp and find funny. This allows the Giant to use speech and action rather than narrative and thought bubbles to give us information.

[Tirian]

Maybe there's more than one of him. Like he's a robotic exo-skeleton being controlled by a different extra-dimensional being every two minutes. It would explain the lack of memory and the inability to know the extent of his power. Heck, if one were to assume that the controller was in a video arcade in Tokyo, it would explain his taste for playing games and kawaii.

[Threeshades]

I find this statement rather offensive. :smallwink:

Mayn people before you also found the truth to be offensive. :smallwink:


The MitD clearly has a horribly low wisdom score. Not only that it didnt see the gargantuan gate. it also forgot about it again and again. I dont think its stupid as in low INT, but i dont think it is incredibly smart either.i would guess its INT score around 8 to 11

[squidthingy]

I find this statement rather offensive. :smallwink:

Back on the subject at hand, I agree that it is literally impossible to fail that spot check. Seriously, it can only be that either: a) he can only see five feet out in front of him, or b) there is some oddball reason that we are unaware of that prevents him from seeing the gates. I mean, a fifty foot high archway rippling with cosmic energy right in front of your face doesn't even need a spot check unless you're blind or you literally can not see the gate.

OR

c)The CitD can't see the gate because it's rippling with cosmic energy, who's to say that dorukon didn't put some magical enchantment that made CitD unable to see it. I'm not saying it is invisable but what about an enchantment that makes the gate seem nothing more than a large boulder unless attention is specifically called to it. xykon/redcloak were able to see it because they were looking for it speciffically but CitD wasn't able to notice it until attention was specifically called to it

OR

CitD is just extremely sarcastic, all the time. he was being sarcastic when he said he never noticed it before, he could of been thought that xykon was talking about another gate because he didn't see the seals that were put on the rips as "gates" because you couldn't go in them, the snarl could just get out

[kirbsys]

The MitD clearly has a horribly low wisdom score. Not only that it didnt see the gargantuan gate. it also forgot about it again and again. I dont think its stupid as in low INT, but i dont think it is incredibly smart either.i would guess its INT score around 8 to 11

However, knowledge is an int based skill and is a mix of knowing the fact as well as being able to pull is out of your memory, so one could assume that memory would be based on intelligence, also meaning he has a low intelligence.

However low attributes manifest in different ways. A guy with a 6 in charisma could be extremely ugly and hard to talk to due to that, or he could be good looking, but cruel or aloof when you talk to him, or just give you the heebeejeebees when you're talking to him. Someone with a low intelligence might not be along the lines of "2+2=Fish" but more along the lines of they just cant comprehend things going on around them.

[basilisk 89]

And here come the theories about Haley being a pedophile. :smallsigh:

:thog: what is pedophile?

@ Rest of thread,

I don't think :mitd: is stupid. Wisdom was quite clearly his dump stat, but that doesn't mean he's stupid. Too busy to type anything longer.

[wojonatior]

Well, it's still true. The cruelty of children really knows no bounds.

if you didn't know i may be one of the youngest members on this board but my friends dont concider me cruel but we do play some mean tricks on each other.

[Spiky]

Hey! You can't say that about kids. I have kids, three of 'em. And they are evil.

Wait, there was supposed to be a "not" in there, let me try again.

My children are perfect little devils.

Damn. Can't seem to say that correctly.

[BobTheDog]

I hate to point this out, but not understanding the false Xykons isn't really a sign of the MitD's stupidity. Not everyone in a D&D universe plays D&D, and since all skeletons in the comic look the same...

Sure, not everyone could guess that the fake Xykons were other things than twins, or triplets, or quadruplets, or whatever.

But after Redcloak explains in detail (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0431.html) how and why the copies came to be, and all that...

[Fawkes]

i may be one of the youngest members on this board

Really. I never would've guessed.

[FireDrake]

Well, it's still true. The cruelty of children really knows no bounds.

Aww. Come on. We're not that bad.

Well okay maybe sometimes.

Ahh, you got me, we're all little devils.

On Topic:
Hey Elan, Thog and CitD may all behave childish. It doesn't make them children.

[Elandegenerate]

maybe MitD doesnt know what a gate is?

[Querzis]

Hey Elan, Thog and CitD may all behave childish. It doesn't make them children.

Well if being easygoing and carefree is being childish then yeah Elan is childish but otherwise he doesnt have a childish naivety, inexperience or attention span (he actually remember things quite well) and Thog is just plain stupid and joyfull but I dont see how thats supposed to be childish. Their int score are lower then their wis which should never happen with a child...except maybe Thog when he was a child but Thog is 'special'.

[Bayar]

My theory is that he could be an unseen servant...I mean what is more scariyer than something you cannot see but know that it is there?

[Ecalsneerg]

Well if being easygoing and carefree is being childish then yeah Elan is childish but otherwise he doesnt have a childish naivety, inexperience or attention span (he actually remember things quite well) and Thog is just plain stupid and joyfull but I dont see how thats supposed to be childish. Their int score are lower then their wis which should never happen with a child...except maybe Thog when he was a child but Thog is 'special'.

A child's intelligence can easily be below their wisdom. Children aren't particulary intelligent in many ways, yet can be very perceptive. If "Judge who to poop on" was a skill, they'd have max ranks, a +2 Wis modifier and skill focus. I'd call that perceptive.

[Gravedjinn]

I refer you MiTD = a child folks

Please see Fizban in the dragonlance; war of teh lance by weis and hickman

there are alot of very consistent points to the character fizban :D

Im telling ya MiTD is oldddddddd very old and just a lil on the missing 8 crayolas outta the 10 pack box...

[dehro]

A bad spot modifier, he failed the check multiple times, does point to lacking wisdom.


or maybe he is of a species that can't see the gate for some reason and it's a clue..

[GSFB]

I actually see the MiTD as a good exposition generator. Because of his (seemingly) inane questions, the other characters are forced to explain things that we (the readers) may not immediately grasp and find funny. This allows the Giant to use speech and action rather than narrative and thought bubbles to give us information.

Kind of like Dr. McCoy on Star Trek... "Do you mean you want to travel backwards in time to before the whales became extinct and bring one back to the present?"

[JasonDoomsblade]

Kind of like Dr. McCoy on Star Trek... "Do you mean you want to travel backwards in time to before the whales became extinct and bring one back to the present?"

I guess.:smallconfused:

[Firestar27]

Re the Gate: He's surrounded by magical darkness (actual darkness, not the Darkness spell). The Gate therefore has concealment relative to him...of course, so does everything else...

Also, he seems to have the wisdom and perceptive skills of your typical mailbox.

No, he's not. The darkness is caused by the shadow from the umbrella. He can see out of the umbrella. He saw Haley, Belkar, Flopsy, Stiffly, and the other tea party members.

[....]

Wonder if he'll ever get a nice little cave to settle down into again so he can lose the umbrella?