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Hua
2018-07-14, 07:57 PM
Are the eye attacks free actions and it can do all 8 at once?
Can it use the central eye the same round as well?

Nifft
2018-07-14, 08:04 PM
Here's what the MM says:

https://preview.ibb.co/n9X3u8/beholder_potato.jpg (https://ibb.co/hdkdST)

They can use all 10 eye rays and their anti-magic eye, but only if there are sufficient targets in different 90°*arcs.

Braininthejar2
2018-07-14, 08:28 PM
And they can't aim the rays into the antimagic cone - so two beholders that meet face to face will typically both open their eyes and be reduced to angrily biting at each other.

Hmm...

"As a free action". Does it mean, if a wizard polymorphs into a beholder, he will be able to fire all of his rays and cast a spell in the same round? (might need still spell, or girallion's blessing for that)

unseenmage
2018-07-14, 09:42 PM
Makes me want to see a beholder monk build where the beholder in question specializes in hunting other beholder.

Still angrily biting, but with monk levels.

ben-zayb
2018-07-14, 10:45 PM
And they can't aim the rays into the antimagic cone - so two beholders that meet face to face will typically both open their eyes and be reduced to angrily biting at each other.

Hmm...

"As a free action". Does it mean, if a wizard polymorphs into a beholder, he will be able to fire all of his rays and cast a spell in the same round? (might need still spell, or girallion's blessing for that)

Polymorph by itself? No, because you don't get Su. You'd need either Shapechange, Assume SU, or Metamorphic Transfer (limited to 3/day) to get access to Eye Rays.

Braininthejar2
2018-07-15, 04:13 AM
of, course, shapechange. Been DMing at high levels for some time now, and my mind made a shortcut.

Braininthejar2
2018-07-15, 04:26 AM
Still angrily biting, but with monk levels.

Wasn't there a specialised beholder that dropped the eye rays in favour of a razor-sharp tongue?

lord_khaine
2018-07-15, 05:22 AM
It does explain the beholder mouth pick.
Such a stupidly silly weapon. Except for Beholder vs beholder fighting.

Lotheb
2018-07-15, 09:49 AM
Mouthpick is a weapon enchantment tho, so it doesnt work in an antimagic field unless im missing something

Gemini476
2018-07-15, 01:46 PM
And they can't aim the rays into the antimagic cone - so two beholders that meet face to face will typically both open their eyes and be reduced to angrily biting at each other.

Hmm...

"As a free action". Does it mean, if a wizard polymorphs into a beholder, he will be able to fire all of his rays and cast a spell in the same round? (might need still spell, or girallion's blessing for that)

I'd imagine that in addition to angily biting each other they'd also move out of their opponent's anti-magic cone to cast Disintegrate and Telekinesis on the environment. 13d6 damage from flinging rocks is a bit more impressive than the 2d4 bite, and a cave-in does 8d6 damage.

Also, well, they can only bite each other on a natural 20 (AC26, bite +2). It's a secondary natural weapon and not really that useful.

Braininthejar2
2018-07-15, 04:12 PM
The books did describe it as a lengthy affair.

wilphe
2018-07-15, 09:41 PM
Here's what the MM says:

They can use all 10 eye rays and their anti-magic eye, but only if there are sufficient targets in different 90°*arcs.

They've got us surrounded again, the poor bastards.

Necroticplague
2018-07-15, 10:15 PM
I'd imagine that in addition to angily biting each other they'd also move out of their opponent's anti-magic cone to cast Disintegrate and Telekinesis on the environment. 13d6 damage from flinging rocks is a bit more impressive than the 2d4 bite, and a cave-in does 8d6 damage.
Lords of Madness is incredibly clear that that's exactly their preferred strategy.


Also, well, they can only bite each other on a natural 20 (AC26, bite +2). It's a secondary natural weapon and not really that useful.


The books did describe it as a lengthy affair.


Of all creatures, a beholder is perhaps the most invulnerable to others of its kind,

Interesting to see a case where they actually seem to take good consideration of the mechanics in the lore, instead of the usual approach of smacking them on opposite sides of a wall.