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GrayDeath
2018-07-22, 11:47 AM
Hello you all!

Got invited to a game by a DM that made a few of the most amazing games of my early D&D days, as hes going to move back here in 2 months. So as he asked me first, I ahve about a month to get my concept done.

Now he said he wants a really high powered game, but, there is a catch.

A BIG one.

He is a big advocate of RAI.


So I would like the Playground to do its level best to help me build the absolute strongest Character we can....while avoiding any and all even slightly questionable RAW readings (be it illogical, cheesy, or simply Unfluffy").

The basics:

World: Forgotten Realms, liekly central area of "That fudging continent full of Epic Wizards".

Time: about the time the Imaskary came back.

Allowed Classes: Anything and erverything that does in NO WAY clash with the Setting/Cosmology (meaning all local stuff from other books is out).

Level Range: 5-X (probably around 15, he never went beyond that in his campaigns yet).

House Rules: Base Classes use their pathfinder iterations, if existing, rules stay 3.5 otherwise.

All non-Full Casters in addition get +2 SKillpts/Level and a BOnus Feat each on Levels 4, 9, 14 and 20.

Fighter, Monk and Rogue will receive as of yet unstated Bonuses to be "better, Paladin receives Bards Casting progression (Cleric List for Level 5 and 6), including being Spontaneus.

Only prepared Casters are Wizards, and they have to limit themselves to a fixed bag of 3 Schools, but automatically gain Specialist for one of them.
Clerics, Druids etc use Spntaneous Cleric variant rules (Druids keep Spont. natures Ally)

Reincarnation has wider possiblities, and some Druids can steer as what you reincarnate as from the get go.

We are allowed to use the PF Race builder as follows:

Choose existing Race.
Add advantages or disadvantages up to a total of +5pts.
No single advantage or Disadvantage cost above 5pts, no doubling up on existing ads/Disads either.
Nothing monstrous.

Existing Races are all FR Races that are not above LA +2 (or Variant Elves of any kind, he hates those ^^), where LA Buyoff is its normal UA incarnation.


My preferrence would be a Sorcerer or Spontaneous Cleric variant, but am open to everything.

Help me go nuts without going nuts, please! :elan:

noob
2018-07-22, 12:05 PM
"Paladin receives Bards Casting progression (Cleric List for Level 5 and 6), including being Spontaneus"
Really problematic in fact it is probably a huge nerf in poly-valance for the paladin due to the lack of possibility to use the paladin spells which are fun to use once in a while but less fun to spam(for the gm not the player)
You could go spontaneous cloistered cleric(since cloistered cleric does not change the casting of the class so it can be stacked with spontaneous cleric) and start right off the bat with 3 domains.
Then grab all the prcs to get extra domains.(one dip in contemplative, one dip in divine oracle and also a dip in prestige paladin so that you can grab the best paladin spells for your known spells)
Then spam domain substitution once you get the spell and you will be stupidly polyvalent(especially if you also use divine metamagic) and also do not forget to abuse sanctified spells that you can spontaneously cast even if you do not know them.
Yes basically a spontaneous cleric can cast any spell in a list of at least 50 spells if you are not building wrong.(never take as a spell known a spell which is in a domain)
Do not forget to be a cleric of mystra for the ability to cast in antimagic and dead magic zones.
So the basic outlines of the build is something like Cloistered cleric Until first prc/first prc(probably divine oracle then put either 1 or two levels but not more)/second prc or cleric/contemplative/prestige paladin/complete with more cleric levels probably.
Oh and the magic domain with anyspell allows more polyvalance for low level wizard spells than being a wizard.


Only prepared Casters are Wizards, and they have to limit themselves to a fixed bag of 3 Schools, but automatically gain Specialist for one of them.
Then they can also take focused specialist since anyway they can ban up to 5 schools without problems and you only need to ban three for focused specialist.(and so have as many spell slots as a sorcerer)


next step is buy a wand of wonder and spam it as much as possible for getting money.
The gm(if the gm is not intelligent) will try to stop you from generating an average of 800 po per day through your wand of wonders and so will probably use the fact that the shrinking effect does not have a written duration and will tell you it is instantaneous in hopes of stopping you from farming gold.
now that you shrank you have 8 extra armor and +8 to attack throws and a megaton of extra dex at a very low cost(if you are a whisperer gnome the only cost will be str) and since anyway you will use the travel domain for immunity to grapple most of the time you do not care.

GrayDeath
2018-07-22, 12:18 PM
Though about a similar build if going cleric. Though likely the "Pcik all possible Prestige CLasses will fail due to fluff reasons, a lot of them + CC can be great.

Other Ideas?

As for the Wizards: Nope, they only EVER can cast the 3 they get. Wizards in this World have 3 available Schools to cast. Ever.
They can ban THOSE to become a focussed specialist, but that is not ... that great (bringing them down to 1 School and such)....

noob
2018-07-22, 12:20 PM
"Though about a similar build if going cleric. Though likely the "Pcik all possible Prestige CLasses will fail due to fluff reasons, a lot of them + CC can be great. "
contemplative and divine oracle have no fluff requirements and so are easy to enter.
(no mentioned organisations no setting no nothing: those are people who are more in hermitage and so you can say you go be an hermit some time and take both classes).
Cloistered cleric is a base class and not a prc so you need nothing to be a cloistered cleric rather than a cleric and it makes you gain tons of stuff with nearly no cost.

Initiate of mystra is a feat and not a prc so you can take it as long as you are a cleric of mystra so this one can be limited by the setting.

Also remember sanctified spells , the spell to change your domains and the anyspell spell line are your bread and butter for casting nearly all the spells of the game.



As for the Wizards: Nope, they only EVER can cast the 3 they get. Wizards in this World have 3 available Schools to cast. Ever.
They can ban THOSE to become a focussed specialist, but that is not ... that great (bringing them down to 1 School and such)....
I never ever said that a wizard could get more than three schools where did you even read that?

umbergod
2018-07-22, 12:23 PM
"Paladin receives Bards Casting progression (Cleric List for Level 5 and 6), including being Spontaneus"
Really problematic in fact it is probably a huge nerf in poly-valance for the paladin due to the lack of possibility to use the paladin spells which are fun to use once in a while but less fun to spam(for the gm not the player)

How does that rule remove access to paladin spells? It just adds cleric spells to fill the gap since base paladin never gets more than 4th level spells without prestige class shenanigans

noob
2018-07-22, 12:25 PM
How does that rule remove access to paladin spells? It just adds cleric spells to fill the gap since base paladin never gets more than 4th level spells without prestige class shenanigans

it does not remove access it only makes them stupidly limited.
before paladins were prepared casters and could prepare entirely new paladin spells every day and so use the spells you only want to cast once you know the situation.
now paladins chose something like 27 spells or so and will never be able to cast spells out of those spells.

Cosi
2018-07-22, 12:48 PM
Sorcerer/Incantatrix seems like it would be good. You can just not take spells from the school you ban, and you get all the standard metamagic shenanigans.

Wizard is pretty good too. Specializing in Conjuration or Necromancy is quite powerful, even if you have to give up most other schools. It's probably too expensive to become an Incantatrix in that situation, as you'd be stuck with the mediocre Abjuration as your secondary school, but Red Wizard might be viable if you grabbed some good spells early. Obviously there are a bunch of other good PrCs.

If you think your DM won't houserule Apprentice to not let you swap for any spell you want, a Beguiler (or Dread Necromancer, or Warmage) would be quite powerful here. You get an unparalleled level of versatility (compared to other available options) even before Shadowcraft Mage, Prestige Domains, or Rainbow Servant.

noob
2018-07-22, 12:59 PM
Sorcerer/Incantatrix seems like it would be good. You can just not take spells from the school you ban, and you get all the standard metamagic shenanigans.

Wizard is pretty good too. Specializing in Conjuration or Necromancy is quite powerful, even if you have to give up most other schools. It's probably too expensive to become an Incantatrix in that situation, as you'd be stuck with the mediocre Abjuration as your secondary school, but Red Wizard might be viable if you grabbed some good spells early. Obviously there are a bunch of other good PrCs.

If you think your DM won't houserule Apprentice to not let you swap for any spell you want, a Beguiler (or Dread Necromancer, or Warmage) would be quite powerful here. You get an unparalleled level of versatility (compared to other available options) even before Shadowcraft Mage, Prestige Domains, or Rainbow Servant.

Using rainbow servant for unlimited polyvalence is impossible without abusing retraining rules unless you can go up to level 16 but the campaign will probably stop at level 15.
Also some people considers that by rai rainbow servant does not progress casting all the way and does not adds to your class list the spells(depends on how the gm thinks)
Shadowcraft mage + beguiler however is really cool.
Sorcerer + incantatrixe is a bit too much boring but probably solid but it will be inferior to a dmm abusing spontaneous cleric due to having way less spell access.
Incantatrixe is setting specific and shadowcraft mage have a complex fluff requirement(needs an organisation) which means that both are not trivial to get.
Domains by default does not add to your spell list so it does not helps much with list casters unless you manage to add the domain to your spell list (there is a feat to add a single domain to your spell list and I agree it is a cool feat).
wizards stays strong if you can have illusion + shadowcraft you basically have access to 5 schools and even more once you can copy miracle.

Cosi
2018-07-22, 01:04 PM
Using rainbow servant for unlimited polyvalence is impossible without abusing retraining rules unless you can go up to level 16 but the campaign will probably stop at level 15.

Or Versatile Spellcaster. But yes, full progression through the class isn't ideal here. If it doesn't cost a caster level, the first level is still worth it for a Prestige Domain with substitute domain. Otherwise take Divine Oracle instead.


Sorcerer + incantatrixe is a bit too much boring but probably solid but it will be inferior to a dmm abusing spontaneous cleric due to having way less spell access.

The Sorcerer is picking from a better list, and gets more uses of Persistent Spell per day.


Incantatrixe is setting specific and shadowcraft mage have a complex fluff requirement(needs an organisation) which means that both are not trivial to get.

The Incantatrix is specific to the setting they are in. Shadowcraft Mage only has complex requirements if you want not to be a Gnome. Being a Gnome is fine, particularly if you go for Wizard entry.


Domains by default does not add to your spell list so it does not helps much with list casters unless you manage to add the domain to your spell list.

Prestige Domains on a fixed list caster (Beguiler, Dread Necromancer, Warmage) do. It's part of what makes those classes powerful.


wizards stays strong if you can have illusion + shadowcraft you basically have access to 5 schools and even more once you can copy miracle.

Shadowcraft miracle probably doesn't work at all and definitely doesn't work before 15th level.

Malroth
2018-07-22, 01:05 PM
I'm gonna say Gnome Illusionist into Shadowcraft mage, Necromancy and either Transmutation or Abjuration as your secondary schools.

noob
2018-07-22, 02:58 PM
The Sorcerer is picking from a better list, and gets more uses of Persistent Spell per day.
Many awesome sorcerer spell appears in domains(some polymorph, invisibility and many others).
And you still get many persistent spells with cleric if you get turn addition domains and prcs who adds turnings and substitute your turning at start(getting 3 turnings(therefore having 9+ 3* charisma attempts) is rather easy if you have a dip in sacred exorcist and then items that increase generically turnings can improve all the turnings then you can add 4 attempts to the total with a nightstick(but only once since rai people tells you that you can only benefit from nightsticks once per day) then get a bone amulet(from the spell) for one more turning attempt).
So basically you have half of the persistent spells of an incantatrixe(since it is based on a secondary ability for the sorcerer idem for the cleric).
Anyway you can as a spontaneous cleric if you are ready to lose a school use alternate spell source to get into incantatrixe and get the two needed levels for all the persist shenanigans with no cl loss(and dump cha instead of dumping int and then optimize int).


Prestige Domains on a fixed list caster (Beguiler, Dread Necromancer, Warmage) do. It's part of what makes those classes powerful.
Seems likely but I would like to know the source for seeing if we can do domain optimization on a fixed list caster.
Also if you are a fixed list caster the mother cyst feat is awesome.
as is prestige paladin + alternate spell source for having all the paladin spells.(some of them are pure awesomeness)

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2018-07-22, 03:56 PM
Gnome, Beguiler or Sorcerer into Shadowcraft Mage with one level of Shadow Adept and finish out with Shadowcrafter in the book Underdark.

Definitely pick Illusion and Transmutation if going Sorcerer, don't bother using Beguiler if it would also be limited to three schools as its list is already limited enough. Also see if your bloodline spells would be an exception to the three-school houserule, since you're using PF base classes.

Use Chaos Gnome (RoS, +1 LA) if possible, and for your five race points pick Svirfneblin Magic (2 RP), Static Bonus Feat (2 RP), and replace slow base speed (-1 RP) with normal base speed (0 RP). Alternatively, pick Whisper Gnome (RoS) and add Phrenic Creature (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/monsters/phrenicCreature.htm) (+2 LA), take the feat Magic in the Blood (PGtF), get Svirfneblin Magic (2 RP), Static Bonus Feat (2 RP), and a 1 RP trait such as Skill Training (for prerequisites like Hide) or Fast or even Stability.

noob
2018-07-22, 04:04 PM
Gnome, Beguiler or Sorcerer into Shadowcraft Mage with one level of Shadow Adept and finish out with Shadowcrafter in the book Underdark.

Definitely pick Illusion and Transmutation if going Sorcerer, don't bother using Beguiler if it would also be limited to three schools as its list is already limited enough. Also see if your bloodline spells would be an exception to the three-school houserule, since you're using PF base classes.

Use Chaos Gnome (RoS, +1 LA) if possible, and for your five race points pick Svirfneblin Magic (2 RP), Static Bonus Feat (2 RP), and replace slow base speed (-1 RP) with normal base speed (0 RP). Alternatively, pick Whisper Gnome (RoS) and add Phrenic Creature (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/monsters/phrenicCreature.htm) (+2 LA), take the feat Magic in the Blood (PGtF), get Svirfneblin Magic (2 RP), Static Bonus Feat (2 RP), and a 1 RP trait such as Skill Training (for prerequisites like Hide) or Fast or even Stability.

due to how la buyoff works having +2 la means that for your 8 first ecl you are two levels behind(so for quite a while) then up to ecl 10 you will be one level behind and you will stop being one level behind only for like the five last levels which means that for a very long time you will be behind the others in power.


Definitely pick Illusion and Transmutation if going Sorcerer, don't bother using Beguiler if it would also be limited to three schools as its list is already limited enough. Also see if your bloodline spells would be an exception to the three-school houserule, since you're using PF base classes.
Beguiler is not a prepared caster therefore it is not limited to three schools as wizards.
Sorcerers does not have the limitation either as does spontaneous cleric.
But shadow magic is indeed super awesome.
If you have any downtime spam http://dnd.arkalseif.info/spells/lost-empires-of-faerun--30/shalanthas-delicate-disk--1557/index.html through the use of shadowcraft mage.
Also if you went beguiler you can if you get the undying domain(with substitute domain shenanigans for example) spam the creation of undyings and that solves many kinds of problems(you can even when you retire at level 15 say that you are going to spend all your retirement time creating undying councillors and undying wizards).

GrayDeath
2018-07-23, 10:37 AM
Hmmm, some interesting suggestions, thanks!
Keep em coming!


@ Noob: Well, to be able to further specialize (Focussed SPecialist or so, or Incantatrix), going with RAI, you ahve to be able to cast/learn the schools you want to give up.
ASince here all Wizars only ever get 3, you are not. That was the point, not that you specifically said they could get more Schools. ^^


The Shadowcraft Mage (Likely Beguiler Entry) line seems the least RAW-dependant route so far, and since I have not layed a GNome in ages, I like it already.

But not yet decided, so....^^

noob
2018-07-23, 02:16 PM
Hmmm, some interesting suggestions, thanks!
Keep em coming!


@ Noob: Well, to be able to further specialize (Focussed SPecialist or so, or Incantatrix), going with RAI, you ahve to be able to cast/learn the schools you want to give up.
ASince here all Wizars only ever get 3, you are not. That was the point, not that you specifically said they could get more Schools. ^^


The Shadowcraft Mage (Likely Beguiler Entry) line seems the least RAW-dependant route so far, and since I have not layed a GNome in ages, I like it already.

But not yet decided, so....^^

Cleric taking a dip in contemplative and in divine oracle is not raw dependant either since neither of those prcs have any setting requirements nor organisation requirements so you just need to spend some time as an hermit (it is not needed but the names could suggest you should)
domain substitution does very clearly allows to change your domains.
Then sanctified spells are very clear about the fact clerics can cast all of them spontaneously.
Finally anyspell is clear on what it does and you can cast it as many times as you have slots for it if you are a spontaneous cleric.
So I see nothing about that cleric builds that is dependant on raw by opposite to rai.

GrayDeath
2018-07-23, 02:26 PM
Sanctified Spells require one to be Exalted Good (depending on the argument, but RAI is clear) so they are a no Go.

Using a Cleric with 2 Prestige CLasses seems a bit TO Cheesy to ME, though its likely fine with the DM.

The Substitute Domain Spell helps, but again, being able to choose another of ones Deities Domains is not free choice, still, good.

Not saying I am not going that route mid, just stating that so far the abovementioned is most intiguing to me.

noob
2018-07-23, 04:56 PM
Sanctified Spells require one to be Exalted Good (depending on the argument, but RAI is clear) so they are a no Go.

Using a Cleric with 2 Prestige CLasses seems a bit TO Cheesy to ME, though its likely fine with the DM.

The Substitute Domain Spell helps, but again, being able to choose another of ones Deities Domains is not free choice, still, good.

Not saying I am not going that route mid, just stating that so far the abovementioned is most intiguing to me.

http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20031004c only says non evil and very devoted to good.
Where do they ask for being exalted?
Being utterly devoted to good could be neutral instead of good if you are one of the greater good kind of people for example.
(also I did read a photocopy of the manual itself and it says approximatively the same thing)

Sleven
2018-07-23, 07:35 PM
Spell-to-Power Erudite is the simplest “power” choice that’s allowed under the given guidelines.

I could also give you a few sorcerer builds that can spontaneously cast spells off a spellbook... but they likely wouldn’t be allowed based on the restrictions your DM is trying to create. Unfortunately their restrictions aren’t exactly air-tight.

Psion is something else to consider, but I’m inclined to think wizard with the given restrictions is still more powerful unless your DM is allowing shenanigans.

noob
2018-07-24, 05:20 AM
Spell-to-Power Erudite is the simplest “power” choice that’s allowed under the given guidelines.

I could also give you a few sorcerer builds that can spontaneously cast spells off a spellbook... but they likely wouldn’t be allowed based on the restrictions your DM is trying to create. Unfortunately their restrictions aren’t exactly air-tight.

Psion is something else to consider, but I’m inclined to think wizard with the given restrictions is still more powerful unless your DM is allowing shenanigans.
Well I am quite sure that the gm is simply not aware of stp erudite and would either ban it or nerf it.
Casting spells out of a spellbook as a sorcerer is possible in raw but I doubt the gm would allow it or I would have suggested sorcerer with the magical training feat and that feat to combine two spells to cast any spell you know of one level higher.

GrayDeath
2018-07-24, 11:33 AM
http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20031004c only says non evil and very devoted to good.
Where do they ask for being exalted?
Being utterly devoted to good could be neutral instead of good if you are one of the greater good kind of people for example.
(also I did read a photocopy of the manual itself and it says approximatively the same thing)

Ah, yee, thats a RAW argument here. Normally a very valid one, but since this goes by RAI and they are printed in the Book of Exalted Deeds and in there "Very focussed on Good is oftentimes equaled with exalted.....well ^^


Well I am quite sure that the gm is simply not aware of stp erudite and would either ban it or nerf it.
Casting spells out of a spellbook as a sorcerer is possible in raw but I doubt the gm would allow it or I would have suggested sorcerer with the magical training feat and that feat to combine two spells to cast any spell you know of one level higher.


Hmmm, I will ask him. Probably going to be as Noob said though, and he just forgot to mention it not being in.

Cosi
2018-07-24, 02:13 PM
Many awesome sorcerer spell appears in domains(some polymorph, invisibility and many others).

If you want a particular spell, you can certainly find a domain that has it. But most domains don't have good spells at every level. The Spell Domain, for instance, is totally sweet. It has anyspell, greater anyspell, and limited wish. But it also has mage armor and rary's mnemonic enhancer.


And you still get many persistent spells with cleric if you get turn addition domains and prcs who adds turnings and substitute your turning at start(getting 3 turnings(therefore having 9+ 3* charisma attempts) is rather easy if you have a dip in sacred exorcist and then items that increase generically turnings can improve all the turnings then you can add 4 attempts to the total with a nightstick(but only once since rai people tells you that you can only benefit from nightsticks once per day) then get a bone amulet(from the spell) for one more turning attempt).

Sacred Exorcist definitely doesn't give you extra turnings as a Cleric. The domains that grant turing have bad spells. Arguably, you can't use domain turning with DMM. OP is probably getting slapped with restrictions on Nightsticks. Even with four sets of turnings, you get 12 + 4 * CHA (a secondary stat) turnings, which is two DMM: Persist + 1 per two points of CHA bonus (rounded). Incantatrix gets you three base Persists + 1 per point of INT bonus.


The Shadowcraft Mage (Likely Beguiler Entry) line seems the least RAW-dependant route so far, and since I have not layed a GNome in ages, I like it already.

Here's my recommended build for this:

Gnome Beguiler 5/Divine Oracle 1/Mindbender 1/Beguiler +1/Shadowcraft Mage 5
Feats:
1st: Apprentice (Spellcaster)
3rd: Skill Focus (Knowledge [Religion])
6th: Spell Focus (Illusion)
9th: Heighten Spell
12th: Mindsight

Pick Religion as your Knowledge from Apprentice. Take substitue domain at 4th and shadow conjuration at 8th from Apprentice. Take whatever 1st and 2nd level spells you want from Apprentice at 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th levels. Ditto for Expanded Learning. If you have a flaw or something to get an extra feat, drop Mindbender and substitute Mindsight for Earth Sense and Earth Spell (you can do this normally, but it would turn on at 15th level). Remaining levels either go into Beguiler for more spells from Apprentice or a PrC of your choice. Spend your cash on Knowstones to UMD for still more spells. Pick a god with nice domains, but don't forget that the Oracle domain comes with a bunch of nice divinations.

noob
2018-07-24, 04:05 PM
If you want a particular spell, you can certainly find a domain that has it. But most domains don't have good spells at every level. The Spell Domain, for instance, is totally sweet. It has anyspell, greater anyspell, and limited wish. But it also has mage armor and rary's mnemonic enhancer.



Sacred Exorcist definitely doesn't give you extra turnings as a Cleric. The domains that grant turing have bad spells. Arguably, you can't use domain turning with DMM. OP is probably getting slapped with restrictions on Nightsticks. Even with four sets of turnings, you get 12 + 4 * CHA (a secondary stat) turnings, which is two DMM: Persist + 1 per two points of CHA bonus (rounded). Incantatrix gets you three base Persists + 1 per point of INT bonus.



Here's my recommended build for this:

Gnome Beguiler 5/Divine Oracle 1/Mindbender 1/Beguiler +1/Shadowcraft Mage 5
Feats:
1st: Apprentice (Spellcaster)
3rd: Skill Focus (Knowledge [Religion])
6th: Spell Focus (Illusion)
9th: Heighten Spell
12th: Mindsight

Pick Religion as your Knowledge from Apprentice. Take substitue domain at 4th and shadow conjuration at 8th from Apprentice. Take whatever 1st and 2nd level spells you want from Apprentice at 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th levels. Ditto for Expanded Learning. If you have a flaw or something to get an extra feat, drop Mindbender and substitute Mindsight for Earth Sense and Earth Spell (you can do this normally, but it would turn on at 15th level). Remaining levels either go into Beguiler for more spells from Apprentice or a PrC of your choice. Spend your cash on Knowstones to UMD for still more spells. Pick a god with nice domains, but don't forget that the Oracle domain comes with a bunch of nice divinations.
I forgot which was the most expensive between a knowstone and adding more spells to a runestaff.
Also what prevents people from arguing that apprentice was intended to only allow to learn spells of your own class?
(the text does not imply that but it could be a problem)

Fouredged Sword
2018-07-25, 10:36 AM
If you do not know what you want to play, play a chameleon. It peaks at level 15 or so. I suggest spelltheif 1 /duskblade 3 / cloistered cleric 1 / chameleon 10.

All wiz/sorc spells 1-6 at your fingertips. All duvine spells 1-6 at your fingertips.

And you always fit into the group.

noob
2018-07-25, 12:41 PM
If you do not know what you want to play, play a chameleon. It peaks at level 15 or so. I suggest spelltheif 1 /duskblade 3 / cloistered cleric 1 / chameleon 10.

All wiz/sorc spells 1-6 at your fingertips. All duvine spells 1-6 at your fingertips.

And you always fit into the group.

chameleon is a prepared caster when casting so chameleon is probably banned since

Only prepared Casters are Wizards, and they have to limit themselves to a fixed bag of 3 Schools, but automatically gain Specialist for one of them.
Or maybe the chameleon have been turned in a spontaneous spellcaster but then why be a chameleon?

GrayDeath
2018-07-25, 06:13 PM
Noob is correct, no chamaeleons.

Also, as I seem to have forgotten it (the DMs aid he mentioned it twice) Psionics are nonexistant in this FR Version (also removes all psionic Races with them, or where not feasable makes them magic Users instead).

Fouredged Sword
2018-07-25, 08:52 PM
Mage of the arcane order maybe? Spell access seems to be a big deal.

GrayDeath
2018-09-01, 06:18 AM
Bumping this, as I need to tell the DM what I`ll play within the next 10 days.

At the moment, Gnome Shadow Caster/Beguiler Build is my favourite, but I am in no way fixated on it. ;)

Grim Reader
2018-09-01, 03:13 PM
Finally anyspell is clear on what it does and you can cast it as many times as you have slots for it if you are a spontaneous cleric.

Domain slots of the right level to be specific. Anyspell requires domain slots to work, not just any slot.

Anyway, have yo considered a Wizard/Beguiler Ultimate Magus ? Three schools plus the Beguiler is pretty varied spell access.