Zenzis
2018-09-02, 05:59 PM
Hello. Comic 1138 had some interesting snippets of the ideas that make up each of the outer alignment planes. I thought they could be useful for thinking about how alignment works in OOtS, which is a subject I know a lot of threads have covered extensively for specific characters. We might be able to compare ideas characters have expressed to these ideas or simply use them to better understand alignment concepts.
If you aren't aware of the basics, the planets Thor flew by in 1138 each correspond to actual D&D alignment planes. There are planes for each of the 9 basic alignments, as well as planes for in between people.
Plane Name - Alignment - Core Idea
Mount Celestia - Lawful Good - "Truth, Justice, and the Celestial Way."
Bytopia - Lawful/Neutral Good - "Let's all do our part."
Elysium - Neutral Good - "Everyone should care."
The Beastlands- Chaotic/Neutral Good -"Who's a good dog? You are!"
Arborea - Chaotic Good - "Words aren't as important as people."
Ysgard - Chaotic Good/Neutral - "Fight the good fight."
Limbo - Chaotic Neutral - "Don't you tell me what to do."
Pandemonium - Chaotic Evil/Neutral - "Lulz."
The Abyss - Chaotic Evil - "Screw you, Jack, I got mine."
Carceri - Chaotic/Neutral Evil - "You're bad, and you should feel bad."
Hades - Neutral Evil - "Nothing matters."
Gehenna - Lawful/Neutral Evil - "Resistance is futile."
The Nine Hells - Lawful Evil - "Yes, but if you read the fine print..."
Acheron - Lawful Evil/Neutral - "I was just following orders."
Mechanus - Lawful Neutral - "There's only one right path."
Arcadia - Lawful Good/Neutral - "The needs of the many..."
Concordant Opposition - True Neutral - "Hey, let's not get carried away."
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Here are the planes sorted by what aspects they exemplify and how strongly they do so. The planes that are part pure neutral are on top because they are the "pure" aspect planes, so they really highlight what that aspect is about. The bottom two in each category are the in-between planes, that only partially show an aspect.
Lawful:
Mechanus - Lawful Neutral - "There's only one right path."
Mount Celestia - Lawful Good - "Truth, Justice, and the Celestial Way."
The Nine Hells - Lawful Evil - "Yes, but if you read the fine print..."
Acheron - Lawful Evil/Neutral - "I was just following orders."
Arcadia - Lawful Good/Neutral - "The needs of the many..."
Bytopia - Lawful/Neutral Good - "Let's all do our part."
Gehenna - Lawful/Neutral Evil - "Resistance is futile."
Chaotic:
Limbo - Chaotic Neutral - "Don't you tell me what to do."
Arborea - Chaotic Good - "Words aren't as important as people."
Ysgard - Chaotic Good/Neutral - "Fight the good fight."
Pandemonium - Chaotic Evil/Neutral - "Lulz."
The Abyss - Chaotic Evil - "Screw you, Jack, I got mine."
The Beastlands- Chaotic/Neutral Good -"Who's a good dog? You are!"
Carceri - Chaotic/Neutral Evil - "You're bad, and you should feel bad."
Good:
Elysium - Neutral Good - "Everyone should care."
Mount Celestia - Lawful Good - "Truth, Justice, and the Celestial Way."
Bytopia - Lawful/Neutral Good - "Let's all do our part."
The Beastlands- Chaotic/Neutral Good -"Who's a good dog? You are!"
Arborea - Chaotic Good - "Words aren't as important as people."
Ysgard - Chaotic Good/Neutral - "Fight the good fight."
Arcadia - Lawful Good/Neutral - "The needs of the many..."
Evil:
Hades - Neutral Evil - "Nothing matters."
The Abyss - Chaotic Evil - "Screw you, Jack, I got mine."
Carceri - Chaotic/Neutral Evil - "You're bad, and you should feel bad."
Gehenna - Lawful/Neutral Evil - "Resistance is futile."
The Nine Hells - Lawful Evil - "Yes, but if you read the fine print..."
Acheron - Lawful Evil/Neutral - "I was just following orders."
Pandemonium - Chaotic Evil/Neutral - "Lulz."
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Finally, here are the alignments sorted next to the plane pivoted across the named axis, which can help show how the ideas oppose each other.
Chaos-Law:
Chaotic Neutral - "Don't you tell me what to do." | "There's only one right path." - Lawful Neutral
Chaotic Good - "Words aren't as important as people." | "Truth, Justice, and the Celestial Way." - Lawful Good
Chaotic Good/Neutral - "Fight the good fight." | "The needs of the many..." - Lawful Good/Neutral
Chaotic Evil/Neutral - "Lulz." | "I was just following orders." - Lawful Evil/Neutral
Chaotic Evil - "Screw you, Jack, I got mine." | "Yes, but if you read the fine print..." - Lawful Evil
Good-Evil:
Neutral Good - "Everyone should care." | "Nothing matters." - Neutral Evil
Lawful Good - "Truth, Justice, and the Celestial Way." | "Yes, but if you read the fine print..." - Lawful Evil
Lawful/Neutral Good - "Let's all do our part." | "Resistance is futile." - Lawful/Neutral Evil
Chaotic/Neutral Good -"Who's a good dog? You are!" | "You're bad, and you should feel bad." - Chaotic/Neutral Evil
Chaotic Good - "Words aren't as important as people." | "Screw you, Jack, I got mine." - Chaotic Evil
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Well that took some time but I wanted to sort out that strp for my own curiosity and thought people might enjoy sharing. I noticed some interesting I think and I'll probably post about it when I have more energy.
If you aren't aware of the basics, the planets Thor flew by in 1138 each correspond to actual D&D alignment planes. There are planes for each of the 9 basic alignments, as well as planes for in between people.
Plane Name - Alignment - Core Idea
Mount Celestia - Lawful Good - "Truth, Justice, and the Celestial Way."
Bytopia - Lawful/Neutral Good - "Let's all do our part."
Elysium - Neutral Good - "Everyone should care."
The Beastlands- Chaotic/Neutral Good -"Who's a good dog? You are!"
Arborea - Chaotic Good - "Words aren't as important as people."
Ysgard - Chaotic Good/Neutral - "Fight the good fight."
Limbo - Chaotic Neutral - "Don't you tell me what to do."
Pandemonium - Chaotic Evil/Neutral - "Lulz."
The Abyss - Chaotic Evil - "Screw you, Jack, I got mine."
Carceri - Chaotic/Neutral Evil - "You're bad, and you should feel bad."
Hades - Neutral Evil - "Nothing matters."
Gehenna - Lawful/Neutral Evil - "Resistance is futile."
The Nine Hells - Lawful Evil - "Yes, but if you read the fine print..."
Acheron - Lawful Evil/Neutral - "I was just following orders."
Mechanus - Lawful Neutral - "There's only one right path."
Arcadia - Lawful Good/Neutral - "The needs of the many..."
Concordant Opposition - True Neutral - "Hey, let's not get carried away."
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Here are the planes sorted by what aspects they exemplify and how strongly they do so. The planes that are part pure neutral are on top because they are the "pure" aspect planes, so they really highlight what that aspect is about. The bottom two in each category are the in-between planes, that only partially show an aspect.
Lawful:
Mechanus - Lawful Neutral - "There's only one right path."
Mount Celestia - Lawful Good - "Truth, Justice, and the Celestial Way."
The Nine Hells - Lawful Evil - "Yes, but if you read the fine print..."
Acheron - Lawful Evil/Neutral - "I was just following orders."
Arcadia - Lawful Good/Neutral - "The needs of the many..."
Bytopia - Lawful/Neutral Good - "Let's all do our part."
Gehenna - Lawful/Neutral Evil - "Resistance is futile."
Chaotic:
Limbo - Chaotic Neutral - "Don't you tell me what to do."
Arborea - Chaotic Good - "Words aren't as important as people."
Ysgard - Chaotic Good/Neutral - "Fight the good fight."
Pandemonium - Chaotic Evil/Neutral - "Lulz."
The Abyss - Chaotic Evil - "Screw you, Jack, I got mine."
The Beastlands- Chaotic/Neutral Good -"Who's a good dog? You are!"
Carceri - Chaotic/Neutral Evil - "You're bad, and you should feel bad."
Good:
Elysium - Neutral Good - "Everyone should care."
Mount Celestia - Lawful Good - "Truth, Justice, and the Celestial Way."
Bytopia - Lawful/Neutral Good - "Let's all do our part."
The Beastlands- Chaotic/Neutral Good -"Who's a good dog? You are!"
Arborea - Chaotic Good - "Words aren't as important as people."
Ysgard - Chaotic Good/Neutral - "Fight the good fight."
Arcadia - Lawful Good/Neutral - "The needs of the many..."
Evil:
Hades - Neutral Evil - "Nothing matters."
The Abyss - Chaotic Evil - "Screw you, Jack, I got mine."
Carceri - Chaotic/Neutral Evil - "You're bad, and you should feel bad."
Gehenna - Lawful/Neutral Evil - "Resistance is futile."
The Nine Hells - Lawful Evil - "Yes, but if you read the fine print..."
Acheron - Lawful Evil/Neutral - "I was just following orders."
Pandemonium - Chaotic Evil/Neutral - "Lulz."
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Finally, here are the alignments sorted next to the plane pivoted across the named axis, which can help show how the ideas oppose each other.
Chaos-Law:
Chaotic Neutral - "Don't you tell me what to do." | "There's only one right path." - Lawful Neutral
Chaotic Good - "Words aren't as important as people." | "Truth, Justice, and the Celestial Way." - Lawful Good
Chaotic Good/Neutral - "Fight the good fight." | "The needs of the many..." - Lawful Good/Neutral
Chaotic Evil/Neutral - "Lulz." | "I was just following orders." - Lawful Evil/Neutral
Chaotic Evil - "Screw you, Jack, I got mine." | "Yes, but if you read the fine print..." - Lawful Evil
Good-Evil:
Neutral Good - "Everyone should care." | "Nothing matters." - Neutral Evil
Lawful Good - "Truth, Justice, and the Celestial Way." | "Yes, but if you read the fine print..." - Lawful Evil
Lawful/Neutral Good - "Let's all do our part." | "Resistance is futile." - Lawful/Neutral Evil
Chaotic/Neutral Good -"Who's a good dog? You are!" | "You're bad, and you should feel bad." - Chaotic/Neutral Evil
Chaotic Good - "Words aren't as important as people." | "Screw you, Jack, I got mine." - Chaotic Evil
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Well that took some time but I wanted to sort out that strp for my own curiosity and thought people might enjoy sharing. I noticed some interesting I think and I'll probably post about it when I have more energy.