Amaunator?

[Millstone85]

So, let's see if I get Amaunator right:
* LN god of the sun.
* Died when the Netherese empire fell.
* Lathander, NG god of dawn, was believed by some to be a surviving aspect of him.
* Came back to life after the Spellplague, absorbing Lathander and becoming LG in the process.
* Post-Sundering, he is now alive, LN and separate from NG Lathander.

Also, the Sun Soul monks were originally devoted to Amaunator. They later adopted Lathander, Selûne and Sune as the heirs of his light. Despite Amaunator's return, SCAG lists only those three as Sun Soul deities.

Does this make sense to you? Is it the writers getting their lore in a snarl? Or both?

[Naanomi]

There isn’t enough lore published to really figure out what parts of the 4e lore was absorbed or abandoned ‘officially’ or how such things resolved

[Lord Vukodlak]

So, let's see if I get Amaunator right:
* LN god of the sun.
* Died when the Netherese empire fell.
* Lathander, NG god of dawn, was believed by some to be a surviving aspect of him.
* Came back to life after the Spellplague, absorbing Lathander and becoming LG in the process.
* Post-Sundering, he is now alive, LN and separate from NG Lathander.

Also, the Sun Soul monks were originally devoted to Amaunator. They later adopted Lathander, Selûne and Sune as the heirs of his light. Despite Amaunator's return, SCAG lists only those three as Sun Soul deities.

Does this make sense to you? Is it the writers getting their lore in a snarl? Or both?

Take a look at mythological deities from our own history, and it can be quite simple by comparison.

[Millstone85]

There isn’t enough lore published to really figure out what parts of the 4e lore was absorbed or abandoned ‘officially’ or how such things resolvedIs there any reason to doubt they kept all of it?

5e FR pressed the reset button, yes, but it did so by having various events repair Toril, like a great rain to bring the Inner Sea back to its previous level.


Take a look at mythological deities from our own history, and it can be quite simple by comparison.True enough.

[Unoriginal]

Is there any reason to doubt they kept all of it?

Yes.



5e FR pressed the reset button, yes, but it did so by having various events repair Toril, like a great rain to bring the Inner Sea back to its previous level.


Not only. They also retconned a certain number of things as having been always like that. Asmodeus, for example, never became a super-entity capable of winning the blood war and throwing the Abyss in the Elemental Chaos. Another example with the Shadar-kai, which 5e retconned has having been elves all along.

[Naanomi]

Is there any reason to doubt they kept all of it?They retconned enough lore already that I wouldn’t make those kinds of assumptions; and parts of 4e Cosmology appear to have been completely ignored in favor of re-embracing both a large independent pantheon (no mention of any Gods being forced as ‘exarchs’ of others) and the Great Wheel (no world tree or world axis... no hurling the Abyss into the elemental Planes). Also, while the word ‘Primordial’ does get used a few times, all the Gods that were relabeled as such appear to be (and have always been) Gods again

[druid91]

So, let's see if I get Amaunator right:
* LN god of the sun.
* Died when the Netherese empire fell.
* Lathander, NG god of dawn, was believed by some to be a surviving aspect of him.
* Came back to life after the Spellplague, absorbing Lathander and becoming LG in the process.
* Post-Sundering, he is now alive, LN and separate from NG Lathander.

Also, the Sun Soul monks were originally devoted to Amaunator. They later adopted Lathander, Selûne and Sune as the heirs of his light. Despite Amaunator's return, SCAG lists only those three as Sun Soul deities.

Does this make sense to you? Is it the writers getting their lore in a snarl? Or both?

Eh, it's more that he was ALWAYS Lathander. Lathander was an aspect of Amaunator.

[Millstone85]

Another example with the Shadar-kai, which 5e retconned has having been elves all along.This falls into the issue of general edition lore versus setting-specific edition lore. Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes is not a Forgotten Realms book. If anything, going by one of Crawford's comments, it should be considered part of 5e Planescape. So this lore does not necessarily apply to the 5e version of the Realms outside of crossovers.


Asmodeus, for example, never became a super-entity capable of winning the blood war and throwing the Abyss in the Elemental Chaos.
parts of 4e Cosmology appear to have been completely ignored in favor of [...] the Great Wheel (no world tree or world axis... no hurling the Abyss into the elemental Planes).Something that is notably missing from SCAG is a description of the planes. No mention of the World Tree or the World Axis, indeed, but no mention of the Great Wheel either. Also, Asmodeus didn't win the Blood War by throwing the Abyss into the Elemental Chaos, he only paused it, and that achievement could have been undone by the Sundering.


no mention of any Gods being forced as ‘exarchs’ of others [...] Also, while the word ‘Primordial’ does get used a few times, all the Gods that were relabeled as such appear to be (and have always been) Gods againThat goes more into the minutiae of divine ranks, and whether being a god is exclusive to being something else. But okay, I could see a retcon there.

[Unoriginal]

This falls into the issue of general edition lore versus setting-specific edition lore. Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes is not a Forgotten Realms book. If anything, going by one of Crawford's comments, it should be considered part of 5e Planescape. So this lore does not necessarily apply to the 5e version of the Realms outside of crossovers.


The Forgotten Realms are part of Planescape, the Mordenkainen's is an *all of 5e* book. The lore of things happening outside of the FR has been retconned, and it impacted the FR too.

Same thing can be said for Spelljammer, with the game and the designers making clear that all the D&D worlds exist in the Material Plane.

The elves got a new origins, even FR elves. Hells and the Abyss are different, even in FR. Elminster is a




Something that is notably missing from SCAG is a description of the planes. No mention of the World Tree or the World Axis, indeed, but no mention of the Great Wheel either. Also, Asmodeus didn't win the Blood War by throwing the Abyss into the Elemental Chaos, he only paused it, and that achievement could have been undone by the Sundering.

Well it doesn't matter if he paused it or won it, the point is that the Mordenkainen's pretty clear it didn't happen.