What is Banjo's Quiddity?

[Quartz]

Was Banjo ever shown with a quiddity?

[Talion]

In the event that Banjo had a quiddity (unlikely at best) it would have matched that of the Northern Pantheon, as Thor and/or Odin had considered sponsoring him in the pantheon. For that matter, Elan (acting on Banjo's behalf) directly applied to the Northern Pantheon specifically.

[knag]

Banjo's quiddity was established very early in the comic run. It is orange (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0080.html).

This was the earliest foreshadowing by the Giant that Banjo would save the world with his alternate color quiddity after TDO refuses Thor's plan.

For now, he is "a forgotten god, slumbering away for centuries until dark priests seek to awaken his unholy power. But when he returns, all will hear his call.."

[Resileaf]

No, he does not have a quiddity.

Because he is a puppet. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1027.html)

[dtilque]

If he had a quiddity, he's have an aura whenever we see him. He doesn't and that one panel with orange color around him does not show a quiddity. Also, Giggles and Dark Lord Mandolin (Tarquin's puppet; see Sept 2016) don't have auras either. That background color, various shades of purple (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0561.html), when Giggles is introduced, is not an aura and is different than the orange of that one panel.

[Jasdoif]

I'm thinking Banjo's composed of the same three colors as the rest of the world.

[dtilque]

I'm thinking Banjo's composed of the same three colors as the rest of the world.

So was the Dark One before he ascended.

[Peelee]

So was the Dark One before he ascended.

Yes, but people actually cared about the Dark One. Heyo!

[Knaight]

So was the Dark One before he ascended.

Said ascension being a notable difference between Banjo and the Dark One.

[knag]

Said ascension being a notable difference between Banjo and the Dark One.

The only difference is the magnitude of their smiting.

[Fyraltari]

Invisible.

[Rrmcklin]

Banjo's quiddity is none because they don't have one, and never will.

[dtilque]

Invisible.

That's a possibility. Most of the electromagnetic spectrum is invisible. Maybe the quiddity is infrared, microwave, or even terahertz waves.

[martianmister]

It hasn't got one, 'cause it's a puppet.

[keybounce]

Yes, but people actually cared about the Dark One. Heyo!

If all it takes for ascension is sufficient worship, then perhaps the forum is strong enough! Quiddles and Banjo! The opposing pair of a new pantheon! Show your support and ... oh, what's the chance of The Giant re-writing his story for something as silly as that?

[Resileaf]

oh, what's the chance of The Giant re-writing his story for something as silly as that?

Somewhere between 'inexistant' and 'Hahaha, no'.

[brian 333]

Banjo is co-worshipped as the brother and comedic foil of Giggles. There is even a high priest cleric of Giggles, the god of slapstick.

As has been said, the only difference between Banjo and TDO is the power of their smiting.

[Peelee]

As has been said, the only difference between Banjo and TDO is the power of their smiting.

As has been wrongly said, you mean.

[Snails]

Banjo has no quiddity. He does possess mighty stuquiddity which can be useful for making jokes but not for the problem of the Snarl.


I'm thinking Banjo's composed of the same three colors as the rest of the world.

I wonder if souls might not contain dollops of many different quiddities.

[JennTora]

Banjo's quiddity is none because they don't have one, and never will.

Alternatively, he will, but it will be a one off gag in the epilogue of the comics.

Also Quiddity, because I enjoy that word.

[Keltest]

The only difference is the magnitude of their smiting.

I suppose this is true, if you ignore all the other differences, such as one being a god and the other a puppet.

[brian 333]

I suppose this is true, if you ignore all the other differences, such as one being a god and the other a puppet.

Why are you guys so hung up on Banjo being a puppet? Gontor worshiped rocks, and was a very powerful cleric. If rocks can grant clerical powers, why can't a puppet?

The Dark One ascended due to the worship of his followers. More followers = more power. Banjo has one follower, and that one is a bit inconstant, so his ability to dispense spells is a bit limited, but I did see him Smite Roy in comic. It was a very tiny smiting, but it was a smiting.

[Peelee]

Why are you guys so hung up on Banjo being a puppet? Gontor worshiped rocks, and was a very powerful cleric. If rocks can grant clerical powers, why can't a puppet?

The Dark One ascended due to the worship of his followers. More followers = more power. Banjo has one follower, and that one is a bit inconstant, so his ability to dispense spells is a bit limited, but I did see him Smite Roy in comic. It was a very tiny smiting, but it was a smiting.

Do you want to claim that rocks are gods? Because you'll have to do that for your argument to work.

[Fyraltari]

Well if the Dark One is metal, some gods probably rock.

[Kish]

Do you want to claim that rocks are gods? Because you'll have to do that for your argument to work.
Indeed, Gontor got turned into a vampire for...some reason related to whether he worshiped a god.

Can't remember offhand what it was*. Probably the fact that his god was both existent and SO POWERFUL.

*Watch someone take this seriously and explain to me what it was.

[Sapphire Guard]

It took an enormous sacrifice for the Dark One to ascend. Banjo...doesn't qualify.

[Jasdoif]

Watch someone take this seriously and explain to me what it was.Are we talking about Hungry Hungry Hippos HPoH (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0995.html), or powerful Earth Elementals granting spells to Gontor?

[Knaight]

Gontor's a pretty solid example of how cleric powers don't imply divinity, which definitely doesn't work in favor of the Banjo as God hypothesis.

[dtilque]

Normally, one would expect Banjo's color to be infraumber, which is a color between bleen and grue, just a bit periwinkler than ultrapuce. But there's another dramatic consideration, so his color is actually dun, Dun, DUN!

[Anymage]

Giggles has more worshippers than Banjo, and unlike Banjo, Giggles' worshippers come in with fewer preconceptions as to what godhood should entail. So the real question is when Giggles will swoop in to lend his brother a hand.

[knag]

Gontor's a pretty solid example of how cleric powers don't imply divinity, which definitely doesn't work in favor of the Banjo as God hypothesis.

Banjo's divinity has never rested on the puppet granting clerical spells, we've never seen that. It rests on the fact that in #80, Banjo itself smote Roy with tiny lightning.

[Peelee]

Banjo's divinity has never rested on the puppet granting clerical spells, we've never seen that. It rests on the fact that in #80, Banjo itself smote Roy with tiny lightning.

Or that could be Elan using Prestidigitation, a 0-level Bard spell that he knows.

[knag]

Or that could be Elan using Prestidigitation, a 0-level Bard spell that he knows.

Oh ye of little faith.

[Kish]

Make up your mind, does the puppet's divinity rest on evidence or on faith?

[Lord Torath]

Yes, but faith is the substance of things hoped for; the evidence of things not seen. So where does that leave you?

[Riftwolf]

Not that derailing this thread wouldn't be a worthy enough reason to ask this, but has any pantheon, real or false, had a God of Puppets?
Banjo doesn't count as he's a Puppet God, and the existence of Giggles means he isn't monotheistic among Puppets like TDO.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Not that derailing this thread wouldn't be a worthy enough reason to ask this, but has any pantheon, real or false, had a God of Puppets?

I have discovered a truly remarkable God of Puppets in a RL religion which this forum is not allowed to contain.
(Seriously, no idea if there is a RL god of Puppets. Just felt like misquoting Fermat)
Grey Wolf

[Sapphire Guard]

I feel like Banjo smiting could be just because Thor thought it was funny.

[dtilque]

Or that could be Elan using Prestidigitation, a 0-level Bard spell that he knows.

There was no blue dweomer showing Elan was casting a spell. But it could have been some random bit of static electricity that just happened to occur when a smite was expected.

[Ragneroc]

also we do see blue text with banjo's smiting which is also the color of Elan's magic so that leads me to believe it was an unintentional or accidental use of minor illusion or prestidigitation by Elan.

[Jasdoif]

There was no blue dweomer showing Elan was casting a spell.Prestidigitation (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/prestidigitation.htm) lasts for an hour...and, come to think of it, could be how Elan created Banjo in the first place.

[Peelee]

Presidigitation (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/prestidigitation.htm) lasts for an hour...and, come to think of it, could be how Elan created Banjo in the first place.

Hmm. Banjo does look crude and artificial....

[Emanick]

I feel like Banjo smiting could be just because Thor thought it was funny.

This makes sense. New headcanon.

[dtilque]

Prestidigitation (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/prestidigitation.htm) lasts for an hour...and, come to think of it, could be how Elan created Banjo in the first place.

I would still expect Elan's dweomer to be around the "smite" if it were the result of a spell, no matter how much time had passed since the spell was cast.

[Peelee]

I would still expect Elan's dweomer to be around the "smite" if it were the result of a spell, no matter how much time had passed since the spell was cast.

It's not around Banjulhu (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0085.html) after the casting.

[goodpeople25]

It's not around Banjulhu (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0085.html) after the casting.
Okay? Not sure where you're going with that.

[Ruck]

It's not around Banjulhu (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0085.html) after the casting.

It's also not around, for example, Illusory Belkar (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0597.html) (even though he's casting in both panels with Illusory Belkar), or the celestial lion (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0597.html).


Okay? Not sure where you're going with that.

It seems like he's going to a very straightforward response to this:


I would still expect Elan's dweomer to be around the "smite" if it were the result of a spell, no matter how much time had passed since the spell was cast.

[Crisis21]

If he had a quiddity, he's have an aura whenever we see him. He doesn't and that one panel with orange color around him does not show a quiddity. Also, Giggles and Dark Lord Mandolin (Tarquin's puppet; see Sept 2016) don't have auras either. That background color, various shades of purple (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0561.html), when Giggles is introduced, is not an aura and is different than the orange of that one panel.

Is there any way to see the calendar images without hunting down a copy for sale?

[hroþila]

It's also not around, for example, Illusory Belkar (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0597.html) (even though he's casting in both panels with Illusory Belkar), or the celestial lion (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0597.html).



It seems like he's going to a very straightforward response to this:
However, all those other examples would suggest that there should be a magic dweomer in Elan's hand if the smiting was due to one of his spells, right?

[Riftwolf]

However, all those other examples would suggest that there should be a magic dweomer in Elan's hand if the smiting was due to one of his spells, right?

You mean the hand covered by Banjo?

[hroþila]

You mean the hand covered by Banjo?
Yes, because I don't think that would conceal the dweomer. Furthermore, I doubt the puppet would allow Elan to cast a spell with that same hand – when he glamoured Banjo/Banjulhu, he used his other hand, and AFAIK the candidates to produce the smiting effect like Silent Image or Minor Image have somatic components.

[Lord Torath]

Is there any way to see the calendar images without hunting down a copy for sale?You can buy a .pdf version from Gumroad. Nevermind. None of the calendars currently show up as available. If you wait a month or so, Rich will have the new calendar up, and he may re-release the old ones again in .pdf format. I seem to remember him doing that, but now I'm not so sure, since I didn't buy any .pdf calendars.

[B. Dandelion]

You can buy a .pdf version from Gumroad. Nevermind. None of the calendars currently show up as available. If you wait a month or so, Rich will have the new calendar up, and he may re-release the old ones again in .pdf format. I seem to remember him doing that, but now I'm not so sure, since I didn't buy any .pdf calendars.

I bought the four-calendar pdf bundle sale in 2016. It had the new '17 calendar as well as the previous three years. So yeah, he's done it before, and I'm hoping he does again because I still need 2018!

[KorvinStarmast]

Normally, one would expect Banjo's color to be infraumber, which is a color between bleen and grue, just a bit periwinkler than ultrapuce. But there's another dramatic consideration, so his color is actually dun, Dun, DUN! Yes, if there's a quiddity, that's it. But it's a puppet.

[JennTora]

Giggles has more worshippers than Banjo, and unlike Banjo, Giggles' worshippers come in with fewer preconceptions as to what godhood should entail. So the real question is when Giggles will swoop in to lend his brother a hand.
If giggles ascends, wouldn't banjo automatically have to since they're (according to elan and the orcs) basically brothers in a pantheon of 2?

Now I want elan to start a band with the orcs.

[dtilque]

Now I want elan to start a band with the orcs.

You need a good band name first. How about

Giggle Orcs
Luting and Blundering
Slapstick Banjo

eh, no doubt there's something better.