Hooker Class

[VolcanicErupt]

A friend of mine(me) wants to make a BDSM Catwoman kinda build and I was needing to know if there is anything not HB that is a base class and comes pre-flavored. By that I mean I don't particularly want a Bard, Enchanter Wizard, or Charisma Rogue.

[Silly Name]

Check out the Book of Erotic Fantasy? It's not properly first-party material, but it's actually rather mature and tasteful on the subject matter.

[Cyrocloud]

There is some Calistr flavored stuff in Pathfinder, and 3.5 had a dead level seduction thing for swashbucklers. Outside of that, check out the book of erotic fantasies.

[HouseRules]

First, Look at Geisha Class for Pathfinder.
Second, remove the cultural references, and convert them to appropriate cultural abilities.

PS: Your Name Sounds Like Milk Erupting from Breast when it comes with a Topic Title Like This.

[MaxiDuRaritry]

As mentioned, the BoEF. Try the sacred prostitute?

[Goaty14]

A 8th or 5th level Justicar (CW) can hogtie her opponent upon pinning it (an 8th level one only has to initiate the grapple). A Barbarian 6/Justicar 8 could probably lunge into melee, hogtie her opponent, and then start whipping the unfortunate foe.

[liquidformat]

Depending on how close to cat-woman you are going, weapon groups is probably a good idea claw weapons, flails and chains, and exotic weapons to pickup whips whip daggers, claw bracer and panther claws.

Also Complete Scoundrel has the skill trick Whip Climber if you have 5 ranks in use rope and whip prof which allows you to use whips as grappling hooks.

If you are going for a stealth gish cloaked dancer from Complete Scoundrel could be a pretty interesting prc, it gives you 2/5 caster levels +2d6 surprise strike and a couple of types of dances to distract people.

Perhaps going with something like Rogue 3/Swashbuckler 3/assassin X/Shadowdancer 1/Cloaked Dancer X?

[ExLibrisMortis]

I think your tread title could do with some improvement, but okay.

There's the Maiden of Pain, a prestige class for followers of Loviatar with the following requirements:

Gender: Female.
Skill: Intimidate 4 ranks.
Feat: Violate Spell (Book of Vile Darkness).
Spells: Able to cast masochism and sadism as divine spells (Book of Vile Darkness).
Patron Deity: Loviatar.
Special: The candidate must have used the drug agony (liquid pain) (Book of Vile Darkness).

They also gain whip proficiency, because of course they do... other than that, it's basically a cleric with the ability to trip, disarm, and deliver touch spells with a whip.

[Malphegor]

Swashbuckler on the Wizards archives has a dead level ability where one can seduce people for information, if you wanted a mechanical seduction mechanic.

[Telonius]

If you're going core-only? Monk.

All good saves, can get Improved Grapple for free, works best when not wearing anything, immune to Disease at level 5, doesn't age after level 17. Diplomacy, Perform, and Profession are class skills. Fast Movement and Abundant Step help in getting away from pursuing authorities (or chasing down non-paying clients) if necessary.

The only thing it doesn't get natively (for your concept) is Use Rope or Whip proficiency.

[Heliomance]

Check out the Book of Erotic Fantasy? It's not properly first-party material, but it's actually rather mature and tasteful on the subject matter.

- Tasteful and mature
- Well balanced
- Remotely likely to be relevant to anything likely to actually see play

Pick two

[MaxiDuRaritry]

- Tasteful and mature
- Well balanced
- Remotely likely to be relevant to anything likely to actually see play

Pick twoI'm pretty sure the pregnancy gestation info could be all three, though it probably won't see the third as much as other things will.

[OgresAreCute]

I'm pretty sure the pregnancy gestation info could be all three, though it probably won't see the third as much as other things will.

I'm glad it has the first two points covered, at least.

Remember, when you think pregnancy, think game balance.

[MaxiDuRaritry]

I'm glad it has the first two points covered, at least.

Remember, when you think pregnancy, think game balance.I've read posts by people who found the info useful due to running a sandbox game where real life stuff happens (such as NPC pregnancy), and where the characters had to deal with actual consequences, even with things that don't have anything to do with the current adventure. So it's definitely useful, at least some of the time.

[Troacctid]

Okay, first off, Catwoman is not a hooker. She's a cat burglar. Obviously you have some highly problematic notions about women that you should really correct. Like, for reals, c'mon.

Second, you're describing an aesthetic, not a power set. Any class can wear tight leather pants. Literally any class. Now, if you wanted to actually be like Catwoman, who is a cat burglar without any superpowers, I might suggest Rogue, Psychic Rogue, Monk, or Warlock.

[Nifft]

- Tasteful and mature
- Well balanced
- Remotely likely to be relevant to anything likely to actually see play

Pick two

Done.

If I had any interest in playing such a game, it would NOT be tasteful nor mature.

Balance and relevance seem much more important, and from what I've seen those two are much more lacking in silly-game products like the BoEF.


Okay, first off, Catwoman is not a hooker. She's a cat burglar. Obviously you have some highly problematic notions about women that you should really correct. Like, for reals, c'mon.

Second, you're describing an aesthetic, not a power set. Any class can wear tight leather pants. Literally any class. Now, if you wanted to actually be like Catwoman, who is a cat burglar without any superpowers, I might suggest Rogue, Psychic Rogue, Monk, or Warlock. I'm not an expert here, but my impression was that Catwoman had an off-stage persona as a powerful independent thief.

On-stage, she's a sexual temptress who serves as a foil to show Batman's noble self-restraint when he resists her pernicious feminine wiles, and she may serve to correlate female independence with sex and crime.

You're right that she's not a hooker, but I think the association is there, since in (at least some of) her interactions with the main character, she's a temptress.

[Troacctid]

I'm not an expert here, but my impression was that Catwoman had an off-stage persona as a powerful independent thief.

On-stage, she's a sexual temptress who serves as a foil to show Batman's noble self-restraint when he resists her pernicious feminine wiles, and she may serve to correlate female independence with sex and crime.

You're right that she's not a hooker, but I think the association is there, since in (at least some of) her interactions with the main character, she's a temptress.
I suppose that's fair. I concede that the male writers and executives probably deserve the lion's share of blame for the character's male gaze and fetishization issues. That being said, as problematic as the "Femme Fatale" trope can be, I think it's still a ways off from "BDSM Hooker."

[Silly Name]

Catwoman often dresses fully in leather and is often seen using whips or "scratching" enemies with claws. I'd say her aesthetic is definitely inspired by BDSM gear, at least in certain incarnations.

Of course, as most things Cape Comics, she has had a few dozen iterations, characterizations and outfits, so you could probably make a case for a wide number of possible ways to look at the character.

Anyway, this is all a bit off-topic. As far as using whips as a weapon go, Sword & Fist (3.0 supplement, so tread carefully) has a whip-dagger which deals 1d6 lethal damage. In the same book there is a PrC called Lasher which improves your whip-usage, even granting you AoOs with them within melee range.

Oh, and it has Craft (leatherworking) has a prerequisite. So, you know, you can have some nifty homemade leather boots to further push that dominatrix angle.

[MaxiDuRaritry]

At least Catwoman is better than friggin' wonderstripperwoman...

[zfs]

Okay, first off, Catwoman is not a hooker. She's a cat burglar. Obviously you have some highly problematic notions about women that you should really correct. Like, for reals, c'mon.


Does it really hurt to be charitable and assume it's just poor word choice/a more eye-popping thread title? I think he's referring to a dominatrix more than a prostitute.

As for the OP, I think you're out of luck on base classes. There are certainly PrC's, including ones already mentioned, that fit dominatrix fluff. It you do want to be a courtesan instead, there are some that would work for that as well with pretty minimal adaptation.

[CharonsHelper]

A Pathfinder Warpriest of Calistr can be pretty sweet. Since the whip is their favored weapon their damage gets jacked up, and after you spend several feats you can deal lethal damage and threaten out to 10 ft with the whip, and with Slashing Grace you can have DEX to damage.

Take a swing at someone from 15 feet away, if they close you get an AOO. You can even tumble away to do it again if you feel like it.

It takes a few levels to really come fully online (due to the feat chain) - but it can be quite effective, and as a DEX build you'd be wearing light armor and just a buckler in your off-hand to let Slashing Grace work (requires a free hand) and for spell-casting - so it definitely fits the vibe your buddy is going for.

[DarkEternal]

Okay, first off, Catwoman is not a hooker. She's a cat burglar. Obviously you have some highly problematic notions about women that you should really correct. Like, for reals, c'mon.

Second, you're describing an aesthetic, not a power set. Any class can wear tight leather pants. Literally any class. Now, if you wanted to actually be like Catwoman, who is a cat burglar without any superpowers, I might suggest Rogue, Psychic Rogue, Monk, or Warlock.

That, unfortunately depends on the version of Catwoman we are talking about. DC. like Marvel has infinite amount of alternate realities and mini stories that take their character in different directions. For instance, in Frank Miller's "Dark knight returns", Selina is very much a madam that runs an escort business. And I am fairly sure that is not the only of the mini series where she operates working the world's oldest trade and robbing people in the process.

[Saintheart]

I think your tread title could do with some improvement, but okay.

There's the Maiden of Pain, a prestige class for followers of Loviatar with the following requirements:


They also gain whip proficiency, because of course they do... other than that, it's basically a cleric with the ability to trip, disarm, and deliver touch spells with a whip.

And if you want to head back to 3.0, there's the Lasher PrC, which you would take because it advances sneak attack and because you just can't have a whip-based, vaguely BDSM character without class features named Crack of Fate and Crack of Doom.

[Heliomance]

All else about the BoEF aside though, the "love life of an ooze" paragraph is golden.

One ooze.
Idiot hits ooze.
Two oozes.

[Goaty14]

One ooze.
Idiot hits ooze.
Two oozes.

Ooze: Hit me more!
Idiot: ???

[liquidformat]

I suppose that's fair. I concede that the male writers and executives probably deserve the lion's share of blame for the character's male gaze and fetishization issues. That being said, as problematic as the "Femme Fatale" trope can be, I think it's still a ways off from "BDSM Hooker."

Ya if you are looking for that go to wonder woman...

[Celestia]

Okay, first off, Catwoman is not a hooker. She's a cat burglar. Obviously you have some highly problematic notions about women that you should really correct. Like, for reals, c'mon.
Actually, modern age Catwoman was a prostitute before becoming a burglar. You can thank Frank Miller for that change.