3 School Wizard

[cartejos]

So, I've spoken a little with my DM and he is allowing the concept, now I wanted to post on the board for tips and such on perhaps making this viable.

Focused Changeling Dual Specialist
So they will only have access at the start to Abjuration, Illusion, Divination, and Transmutation
Then, either at 6 or 11 (Probably 11) they are going to be going into Incantatrix, and having to ban either Illusion or Transmutation.

I believe I read that as long as the spells are written in your spellbook before going into Incantatrix that you can still cast them. Banning the school with Incantatrix just prevents you from learning the spells.

So which of Illusion and Transmutation have fewer high-leveled spells that are relevant?

Unless there is another, prestige class looking into, I believe Wizard 5/Recaster 5/Incantatrix 5

I'm sure a wizard can get along just fine with these restrictions. But what are the best tools for the job? Are there any specific metamagic/item creation/etc. feats that would be more useful in this situation than a more general wizard?

[Rebel7284]

I believe I read that as long as the spells are written in your spellbook before going into Incantatrix that you can still cast them. Banning the school with Incantatrix just prevents you from learning the spells.

This was the case in 3.0 Incantatrix. This text is missing in the 3.5 version which is a very different class. You can check with your DM, but unless they specify otherwise and allow this 3.0 class fragment, the school would be gone completely.

If you use racial emulation to go into Red Wizard, you can ban another school, ending up with just Divination and Abjuration. Not a good idea, clearly, but you CAN.

As far as schools to keep. Illusion gives you access to most of Conjuration and all evocation, albeit at reduced effectiveness. On the other hand, Transmutation is the second best school and keeping it allows you to use it at full power. I would personally rather keep Transmutation due to the many buffs it has that can be persisted by your Incantatrix abilities, but I could see going either way, especially if your DM is lenient on how Illusions work (does a 60% real contingency still work 100% of the time?)

[Mike Miller]

I think there are far too many useful transmutation spells to ban it. Illusion can be great, but transmutation is always excellent.

[flappeercraft]

There is a line of Faerun feats that after taking 3 of them opens up a school. It might help you get a fourth school. If you cast Trait Removal on yourself you can also remove the Incantatrix class feature that bans a school since its explicitly extraordinary, although it only lasts 1 hour/level.

[Nifft]

Focused Changeling Dual Specialist
So they will only have access at the start to Abjuration, Illusion, Divination, and Transmutation
Then, either at 6 or 11 (Probably 11) they are going to be going into Incantatrix, and having to ban either Illusion or Transmutation. You're specialized in both Illusion and Transmutation, and then you want to ban Illusion or Transmutation.

1/ Is it legal to ban your specialty school?

2/ Does it make sense from a character perspective that you're focused on 2 schools but somehow you pick one of them to ban instead of either of your other two non-focused schools?


I probably wouldn't allow Incantatrix in this situation -- you've got 2 schools you can't ban per the prereqs, and other than those 2 schools all you have are your specialization schools. There's nothing plausible left to cut.

[Psyren]

Abjuration is usually my third school to ban if I go that far, because so many of its spells can be gotten from the Cleric list and there's usually one in the party.

[cartejos]

There is a line of Faerun feats that after taking 3 of them opens up a school. It might help you get a fourth school. If you cast Trait Removal on yourself you can also remove the Incantatrix class feature that bans a school since its explicitly extraordinary, although it only lasts 1 hour/level.

I need to look more into remove trait, cause if you're right then in the hours that the school isn't banned I could scribe spells. Hmm







Alsoo, for Nifft: 1. There are no rules about banning schools you are specialized in. '
2. I could see it as something similar to spending a large number of credit hours towards a degree, and then switching majors 3/4 of the way through and all of a sudden, while you still possess the knowledge of the first major, you have to neglect aspects of it, and begin focusing a new manner of schooling.