Ken Murikumo
2018-11-15, 12:37 PM
So i need help fact checking my DM's BBEG's abilities. See below before you make any comments about whether this is kosher or not.
This guy has 20 levels in samurai, but he might have other classes mixed in (as we are playing quadstalt). This guy used his challenge class feature on all of us... at the same time... on the round he appeared. Also, the DM insist that this feature makes it so we are only dealing minimum damage to the guy. Now i've looked though the class and done some digging. I cannot find any orders, archetypes, feats, items, or spells that allow Challenge to do this. By raw it's pick ONE target and get some extra damage, give them a small penalty to AC, and take a penalty to AC against anyone other than the Challenge target. Even if he were to challenge us all, one by one as a swift action on every consecutive turn, wouldn't that (assuming it's legal) make the ac penalty levied against the BBEG stack. Can you guys shed light on anything that would allow him to do this? We use all 1st party 3.0/3.5/pathfinder content plus dreamscarred press but no dragon mag.
Just looking for some solid ground to argue from as i've checked about half of all the 1st party orders and my google fu is turning up nothing that could do this. Hell, It doesn't even have to be native to Samurai. Is there anything in the expanse of 3.PF that could do what ive described?
Now, i don't want people to be grabbing the torchforks just yet. He did warn us that this would be, legit, the hardest encounter we'd ever faced & there is a good chance that we will not succeed. Also, he said that we will not die during this encounter but failure will change the how the plot proceeds. And we all agreed, simply ignorant to the exact calibur of enemy we're fighting.
Before the battle began we were told that he is an incarnate golem - stone golem - half-golem (iron). Thats a messy CR 12 right there. We are level 6 quadstalt and moderately to poorly optimized, so i figure this would be a hard battle but totally do-able between 3 PCs and our animal companions & homunculus. He told us this before we planned a strategy for battle, but after we did the pre-battle shopping. When the battle started he used his challenge ability, which the dm named the feature out loud and described how it was the best thing ever. Everyone groaned and the DM cackled explaining that he also had 20 levels of samurai (pathfinder) in addition to being fully equipped as a lvl 20 character should, and throughout the session gave us more insight into how the abilities worked (clearly proud of his creation). I told him i would be fact checking, as a joke, and he laughed and said to do it.
So between 3 lvl 6 quadstalt PCs, a wolf (don't remember if it's dire), and a very well built artificer's (snapjaw) homunculus, we're going up against something well over CR 30. We do have a ton of buffs and DM special abilities (like favors from "immortal" beings, and some special summons) so we haven't been destroyed by this guy yet. If it weren't for his AC being somewhere in the high 30s low 40s we would have been able to take him down in the first session. My character is an unarmed warforged monk/artificer/and-beyond built with trace amounts of ubercharger (warforged pun). If i could pounce and hit him with all of my attacks, (even at minimum damage) i would have deleted well over 2/3 of this guys health, but the real challenge is hitting him more than once with a lucky 19 or 20.
This isn't meant to be a rant or to vent. And again, while we didn't quite understand that we would be going up against an enemy that is a CR equal to a literal exponent of our ACL, we did know that we would have a very slim chance of victory. Im just going to be miffed if he was doing all wrong this whole time and that screwed us over.
And thus i have come to you, the collective of knowledge. Please help me shed light on this endeavor.
This guy has 20 levels in samurai, but he might have other classes mixed in (as we are playing quadstalt). This guy used his challenge class feature on all of us... at the same time... on the round he appeared. Also, the DM insist that this feature makes it so we are only dealing minimum damage to the guy. Now i've looked though the class and done some digging. I cannot find any orders, archetypes, feats, items, or spells that allow Challenge to do this. By raw it's pick ONE target and get some extra damage, give them a small penalty to AC, and take a penalty to AC against anyone other than the Challenge target. Even if he were to challenge us all, one by one as a swift action on every consecutive turn, wouldn't that (assuming it's legal) make the ac penalty levied against the BBEG stack. Can you guys shed light on anything that would allow him to do this? We use all 1st party 3.0/3.5/pathfinder content plus dreamscarred press but no dragon mag.
Just looking for some solid ground to argue from as i've checked about half of all the 1st party orders and my google fu is turning up nothing that could do this. Hell, It doesn't even have to be native to Samurai. Is there anything in the expanse of 3.PF that could do what ive described?
Now, i don't want people to be grabbing the torchforks just yet. He did warn us that this would be, legit, the hardest encounter we'd ever faced & there is a good chance that we will not succeed. Also, he said that we will not die during this encounter but failure will change the how the plot proceeds. And we all agreed, simply ignorant to the exact calibur of enemy we're fighting.
Before the battle began we were told that he is an incarnate golem - stone golem - half-golem (iron). Thats a messy CR 12 right there. We are level 6 quadstalt and moderately to poorly optimized, so i figure this would be a hard battle but totally do-able between 3 PCs and our animal companions & homunculus. He told us this before we planned a strategy for battle, but after we did the pre-battle shopping. When the battle started he used his challenge ability, which the dm named the feature out loud and described how it was the best thing ever. Everyone groaned and the DM cackled explaining that he also had 20 levels of samurai (pathfinder) in addition to being fully equipped as a lvl 20 character should, and throughout the session gave us more insight into how the abilities worked (clearly proud of his creation). I told him i would be fact checking, as a joke, and he laughed and said to do it.
So between 3 lvl 6 quadstalt PCs, a wolf (don't remember if it's dire), and a very well built artificer's (snapjaw) homunculus, we're going up against something well over CR 30. We do have a ton of buffs and DM special abilities (like favors from "immortal" beings, and some special summons) so we haven't been destroyed by this guy yet. If it weren't for his AC being somewhere in the high 30s low 40s we would have been able to take him down in the first session. My character is an unarmed warforged monk/artificer/and-beyond built with trace amounts of ubercharger (warforged pun). If i could pounce and hit him with all of my attacks, (even at minimum damage) i would have deleted well over 2/3 of this guys health, but the real challenge is hitting him more than once with a lucky 19 or 20.
This isn't meant to be a rant or to vent. And again, while we didn't quite understand that we would be going up against an enemy that is a CR equal to a literal exponent of our ACL, we did know that we would have a very slim chance of victory. Im just going to be miffed if he was doing all wrong this whole time and that screwed us over.
And thus i have come to you, the collective of knowledge. Please help me shed light on this endeavor.