Paladin's Holy avenger without the paladin, & a non detectable rogue

[samduke]

Paladin's Holy avenger question: is it possibly with any other non paladin or prestige paladin class to gain the full benefit of the holy avenger through any reasonable means? book & page please

Non-Detectable Rogue - is it possible? if so what feats, classes, gear make it so. book & page please

[Kish]

First: Sure. Use Magic Device (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/useMagicDevice.htm) DC 20 to emulate the class feature that turns a Holy Avenger into the +5 version. If the wielder is not Lawful Good (rogues can be Lawful Good, so this might not be a problem) then it'll take another DC 30 Use Magic Device check to emulate Lawful Good to emulate a paladin's class feature.

Second: No pretty much by definition. There's always a bigger fish; you can never guarantee detecting or being undetectable by someone who has a "more powerful than you" blank check.

[gkathellar]

What do you mean by non-detectable? Like ... no one can ever beat your Hide check under any circumstances?

[Mike Miller]

No, more like magic beats mundane, strong magic beats magic,epic magic beats strong magic, deific magic beats all

[bean illus]

Second: No pretty much by definition. There's always a bigger fish; you can never guarantee detecting or being undetectable by someone who has a "more powerful than you" blank check.

Vecna blooded template. Immune to all detection and divination. Must be a greater god to overcome it.

[Nifft]

Non-Detectable Rogue - is it possible? if so what feats, classes, gear make it so. book & page please

The feat Darkrunner (Lords of Madness) is pretty helpful for this. It doesn't make you non-detectable, but it circumvents a major category of anti-stealth abilities, which allows you to be hidden against foes who would ordinarily auto-detect you.

[samduke]

on the detectable, more like tremoresense, blindsense, reasonably high hide and camouflage type stuff some i know can be gotten via class and or race - but looking for the potential options

and on the UMD I am not certain that umd unlocks the whole benefits as that would be 2 or 3 separate umd checks

[Kish]

"A Vecna-blooded creature gains immunity to all divination spells cast against it or cast to learn information about it. Such divination fails to reveal any information. The Vecna-blooded creature immediately learns the name, appearance, and location of the caster who attempted the divination."

Make of that what you will.