Race interbreeding

[Amdy_vill]

so there is a table in 3rd editions Book of erotic fantasy that has what races can interbreed. this table does not have every race on it and has some inconstancies with lore. i have corrected the inconstancies and added warforged and dargonborn to the table. I will like it below. I am looking for help to finish the table by adding the rest of the missing races to it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Qy3s1v3RmYUhGGYsrGcUItD-LtJ9owrcvmRDc7hNrko/edit#gid=0

I have finished collecting races. if there is a race/subrace not on the chart PM me.

I am now using the original and edited tables to produce an extended table.

[nickl_2000]

3rd editions Book of erotic fantasy

No honey. It's a book for D&D, I swear!

[Amdy_vill]

No honey. It's a book for D&D, I swear!

I know. so what do you think of the tables.

[nickl_2000]

I know. so what do you think of the tables.

Honestly it's a little confusing. It may be easier to have a different format.

Y - Can produce an offspring
S - Can produce an offspring, but that offspring is sterile
N - Cannot produce an offspring


Still it isn't anything I've seen before. Thank you for posting it.

[Amdy_vill]

Honestly it's a little confusing. It may be easier to have a different format.

Y - Can produce an offspring
S - Can produce an offspring, but that offspring is sterile
N - Cannot produce an offspring


Still it isn't anything I've seen before. Thank you for posting it.

what are you confused about. I do like the use of S of Sterile as that lets me give more info.

[nickl_2000]

what are you confused about. I do like the use of S of Sterile as that lets me give more info.

X/X X one means the female of the race in the A collume can have a child. X two means the female of the female of the race not in the a collume can have a child.

This sentence. Parsing it out I believe it means this.

Given 1/2
A 'Y' result in 1 means that a female in the vertical column A can produce a viable offspring.
A 'Y' result in 2 means that a female offspring of the combination of the two races is fertile and able to produce offspring.


Is that correct?



Also, what does N/M mean or M/M

[Amdy_vill]

X/X X one means the female of the race in the A collume can have a child. X two means the female of the female of the race not in the a collume can have a child.

This sentence. Parsing it out I believe it means this.

Given 1/2
A 'Y' result in 1 means that a female in the vertical column A can produce a viable offspring.
A 'Y' result in 2 means that a female offspring of the combination of the two races is fertile and able to produce offspring.


Is that correct?



Also, what does N/M mean or M/M

A"Y" result in 1 means that a female in the vertical column can produce a viable offspring

A"Y" result in 2 means that a female in the horizontal column can produce a viable offspring

N's mean can not and i carried over M's for the original table. they mean maybe.

[nickl_2000]

Then you can simplify it pretty easily. Column A is females. Row 1 is male. Then you don't need the slash at all and can just have a single clearer response.

So, B3 is the combination of a females celestial and a male Bugbear.

Whereas as C2 is a female Bugbear and male celestial.

Overall it is clearer with less confusion.

[Naanomi]

Historically, mating success in DnD is at least as much about the Gods involved than anything biological... elves and Orcs can’t crossbreed because Gruumsh and Corellon hate each other; the dragon Gods feel superior to other races so allow their children to ‘better’ pretty much anything with a little Draconic essence... Dwarf Gods are clannish and allow no cross breeding (except in settings where the Gods are distant and magic is involved in the process; like the Mul and Half-Giants of Athas)

Planar races (like exemplars and elementals) don’t reqlly ‘breed’ in the same way mortals do; so cross breeds can happen across the gamut there by ‘essence mingling’ of some kind

[Amdy_vill]

Then you can simplify it pretty easily. Column A is females. Row 1 is male. Then you don't need the slash at all and can just have a single clearer response.

So, B3 is the combination of a females celestial and a male Bugbear.

Whereas as C2 is a female Bugbear and male celestial.

Overall it is clearer with less confusion.

thank you. i took me a minute to understand but i think it is better over all.

[Sariel Vailo]

The book of erotic twittery. Just let this slide and use your brain.

[M Placeholder]

Dwarf Gods are clannish and allow no cross breeding

Half-Dwarves are a thing in Dragonlance. The Gully Dwarves are said to be the result of dwarven/tinker gnome crossbreeding in the past. The Gully Dwarves are also the reason why dwarves and gnomes no longer bump uglies in that setting.

Its also said that Stout Halflings in the Realms have some dwarven blood.

[Amdy_vill]

Half-Dwarves are a thing in Dragonlance. The Gully Dwarves are said to be the result of dwarven/tinker gnome crossbreeding in the past. The Gully Dwarves are also the reason why dwarves and gnomes no longer bump uglies in that setting.

Its also said that Stout Halflings in the Realms have some dwarven blood.

thank you will be corrected on the table.

[Amdy_vill]

i have finished the changes to the table

[Keravath]

I'm not sure of the point of the table honestly ... but I really question the "reasonableness" of some of the entries ... sprites and bugbears for example?!

[Amdy_vill]

I'm not sure of the point of the table honestly ... but I really question the "reasonableness" of some of the entries ... sprites and bugbears for example?!

Sprites are a polymorph race right?

[Spriteless]

Now I imagine a Dryad could get a Warforged's living wood components to flower and plant the seed for a new Dryad. It's a species of tree Dryads can make their home in according to Eberron Campaign Setting. Don't know if that fits the requirements for breeding, but it might warrant an 'M.'

[Man_Over_Game]

Half-Dwarves are a thing in Dragonlance.

I actually regularly use Mul in my campaigns. They're still "exotic", but I've been known to use one or two as giant brutes.

They're one of my favorite races, actually. Size of a human, bulk of a Dwarf, and you CAN'T have kids? How awesome is that?

[GlenSmash!]

Half-Dwarves are a thing in Dragonlance. The Gully Dwarves are said to be the result of dwarven/tinker gnome crossbreeding in the past. The Gully Dwarves are also the reason why dwarves and gnomes no longer bump uglies in that setting.

Its also said that Stout Halflings in the Realms have some dwarven blood.

Gnomes and Kender used to be dwarves anyway until that Chaos gem think happened. So it's somewhat reasonable for them to be able to interbreed more than dwarves and other races even if it's a terrible idea.

Well actually more gully dwarves is preferable to more Kender so there is that.

[Naanomi]

Half-Dwarves are a thing in Dragonlance. The Gully Dwarves are said to be the result of dwarven/tinker gnome crossbreeding in the past. The Gully Dwarves are also the reason why dwarves and gnomes no longer bump uglies in that setting.

Its also said that Stout Halflings in the Realms have some dwarven blood.

The Stout Halfling thing is in-game legend, not a verifiable example of actual cross-breeding

The Dragonlance Dwarves... well... let’s just remember that the history of the races on that plane are a bit different than most of the Cosmology; and there are not racial pantheons at all there (incidentally it was Gnomes first, who then mutated into Dwarves and Kender); and the Gnomes themselves were cursed humans

[jdolch]

so there is a table in 3rd editions Book of erotic fantasy that has what races can interbreed. this table does not have every race on it and has some inconstancies with lore. i have corrected the inconstancies and added warforged and dargonborn to the table. I will like it below. I am looking for help to finish the table by adding the rest of the missing races to it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Qy3s1v3RmYUhGGYsrGcUItD-LtJ9owrcvmRDc7hNrko/edit#gid=0
Where are the pictures? ...

[Amdy_vill]

Now I imagine a Dryad could get a Warforged's living wood components to flower and plant the seed for a new Dryad. It's a species of tree Dryads can make their home in according to Eberron Campaign Setting. Don't know if that fits the requirements for breeding, but it might warrant an 'M.'

has been noted. thanks i believe a M is reasonable. Warforged on is educated guess work and what is cannon that we can find.

[MThurston]

So who is the expert in breeding races in D&D to say what races can have offspring?

[Amdy_vill]

So who is the expert in breeding races in D&D to say what races can have offspring?

definitely not me. thats why i posted this here. i fixed the inconstancies the table had with lore and then started adding using deduction, help from the forums and what interbreeding lore i could find. if you have an opinion or some lore you want to add just say so.

[Amdy_vill]

I have decided to include pathfinder races as the sources i am using have them included in the list.

[lylsyly]

Don't forget Green Ronin Publishing's Races of Renown: Bastards and Bloodlines!

I mean Elves and Giant Eagles? ​Oh Heck Yeah!!!

[Falontani]

If we are just using biological means then this is cool. If we add magic you need to add the book Crossbreeding Flesh and Blood.

[MercuryAlloy]

Celestial and fiend can have cild together: Concordant Killer from MM4.

[jdolch]

I noticed that collective disappointed sigh, so let me just remind you: Just because 2 species can not interbreed doesn't mean they can't try ... yeah, it's on.

[Nifft]

I noticed that collective disappointed sigh, so let me just remind you: Just because 2 species can not interbreed doesn't mean they can't try ... yeah, it's on.

My heart goes out to your pets.

[jdolch]

My heart goes out to your pets.

Thanks for making it sound creepy. And also: Good one. :smallbiggrin:

[Pleh]

I forget where it came from, but there was also a resource called, "races of consequence"

Probably someone else will know the publisher

Less on the creation rules and more on the being a product of such creativity.

[lylsyly]

[QUOTE=jdolch;23541936]I noticed that collective disappointed sigh, so let me just remind you: Just because 2 species can not interbreed doesn't mean they can't try ... yeah, it's on.[/QUOTE

Let me tell you the story of a dog and a cat .... ;))

[ChaosStar]

I noticed that collective disappointed sigh, so let me just remind you: Just because 2 species can not interbreed doesn't mean they can't try ... yeah, it's on.

Let me tell you the story of a dog and a cat .... ;))

Peanut Butter and Grape Jelly Sandwich? From the Webcomic Housepets?

[Ashtagon]

Half-Dwarves are a thing in Dragonlance. The Gully Dwarves are said to be the result of dwarven/tinker gnome crossbreeding in the past. The Gully Dwarves are also the reason why dwarves and gnomes no longer bump uglies in that setting.

So how do they deal with undead then?

[ShurikVch]

Historically, mating success in DnD is at least as much about the Gods involved than anything biological... elves and Orcs can’t crossbreed because Gruumsh and Corellon hate each otherNote: Kingdoms of Kalamar (in Dangerous Denizens: The Monsters of Tellene and Friend & Foe: The Elves and Bugbears of Tellene) mentioned Half-Orc/Half-Elf hybrids: Tel-Amhothlan
(And it's despite the fact one of the chief deities for tellenian orcs is the god of racial intolerance, who're - among his numerous other titles and nicknames - also called the Hater of Elves!)



Dwarf Gods are clannish and allow no cross breeding (except in settings where the Gods are distant and magic is involved in the process; like the Mul and Half-Giants of Athas)Note: faerûnian gods are hardly "distant", but there are still some Half-Dwarves (https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Half-dwarf); they're mostly like "normal" Dwarves, except a bit bigger (thus, have 30' speed)
Clan Ironstar of the shield dwarves has a number of Dwarf/Elf crossbreeds called "dwelves" (http://archive.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/mc/mc20010829e)

[Amdy_vill]

Note: Kingdoms of Kalamar (in Dangerous Denizens: The Monsters of Tellene and Friend & Foe: The Elves and Bugbears of Tellene) mentioned Half-Orc/Half-Elf hybrids: Tel-Amhothlan
(And it's despite the fact one of the chief deities for tellenian orcs is the god of racial intolerance, who're - among his numerous other titles and nicknames - also called the Hater of Elves!)


Note: faerûnian gods are hardly "distant", but there are still some Half-Dwarves (https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Half-dwarf); they're mostly like "normal" Dwarves, except a bit bigger (thus, have 30' speed)
Clan Ironstar of the shield dwarves has a number of Dwarf/Elf crossbreeds called "dwelves" (http://archive.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/mc/mc20010829e)

thanks this a very useful. more stuff like this would help.

[Nifft]

thanks this a very useful. more stuff like this would help.

Have you checked out this one yet?


Don't forget Green Ronin Publishing's Races of Renown: Bastards and Bloodlines!

I recall hearing decent things about this book, but I can't vouch for it myself.

[Thurbane]

No honey. It's a book for D&D, I swear!

Funny story: I ordered it to be shipped to Australia by Amazon - it wouldn't clear US shipping because it was considered to be "softcore porn/erotica". :smalleek:

[Amdy_vill]

Funny story: I ordered it to be shipped to Australia by Amazon - it wouldn't clear US shipping because it was considered to be "softcore porn/erotica". :smalleek:

is it really that bad. my only interaction with the book was the table but i got that for a google search.

[ChaosStar]

is it really that bad. my only interaction with the book was the table but i got that for a google search.

No. It has some tasteful nudes, and some flavor stories featuring sex.

[AMFV]

Have you checked out this one yet?



I recall hearing decent things about this book, but I can't vouch for it myself.

It's pretty awful, mostly a bunch of enormous LA races that won't ever be played because of enormous LA.

[Jay R]

My heart goes out to your pets.

Well, OK, but only your heart.

[HouseRules]

Half Race Template for all the Races that would hit anything.

[Amdy_vill]

I have finished collecting races. if there is a race/subrace not on the chart PM me.

[AnimeTheCat]

as near as I can tell, anything *CAN* interbreed because... magic? I say that in all seriousness. Biologically and physiologically something may not make any sense, but when you take two creatures of wildly different types and origins and leave them alone together in a vortex of uncontrolled magical energies, who knows what will come out! Could be nothing, could be a blend of the two, could just be one amalgamation, could be Cthulu! You just never know, and putting things on a table just takes the fun and mystery away from things.

IIRC, one of my players in a very early game I was playing was quite the player (being a bard with 22 charisma) and, as she said, "Had a hot piece of tail in every town and tavern in the multiverse". While that's not entirely true, I did start having her roll for whether she was getting pregnant and a few times she got pregnant by something, unseemly. It was fun, and it was enough for all of us with just that one campaign (that lasted almost 3 years). She had 5 kids that she knew of since some of the races have the male carry the young (she may have gotten down with an anthropomorphic seahorse).

Either way, why table it out? just let it happen.

[HouseRules]

as near as I can tell, anything *CAN* interbreed because... magic? I say that in all seriousness. Biologically and physiologically something may not make any sense, but when you take two creatures of wildly different types and origins and leave them alone together in a vortex of uncontrolled magical energies, who knows what will come out! Could be nothing, could be a blend of the two, could just be one amalgamation, could be Cthulu! You just never know, and putting things on a table just takes the fun and mystery away from things.

IIRC, one of my players in a very early game I was playing was quite the player (being a bard with 22 charisma) and, as she said, "Had a hot piece of tail in every town and tavern in the multiverse". While that's not entirely true, I did start having her roll for whether she was getting pregnant and a few times she got pregnant by something, unseemly. It was fun, and it was enough for all of us with just that one campaign (that lasted almost 3 years). She had 5 kids that she knew of since some of the races have the male carry the young (she may have gotten down with an anthropomorphic seahorse).

Either way, why table it out? just let it happen.

In fantasy, everything is part of the Fantastic Species. They are distinguished by Races, not Species.