A Quick Question

[Angrith]

So I joined the comic not long after the 500 stanza epic poem of bold Sir Thumb (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0864.html) and thus do not have much an idea of how intense the Miko threads were. I do, however, know what Hilgya is like. My question for veteran forum-goers, is "Just how bad were Miko threads compared to Hilgya threads?"

To keep this from devolving into either thread-type, no specific examples are necessary. I would just like your opinions on the relative frustration/keep-the-popcorn-ready nature of Miko vs. Hilgya.

This is purely to satisfy my own curiosity since I have heard some posters assign the old Miko threads nearly legendary status.

[The Pilgrim]

My question for veteran forum-goers, is "Just how bad were Miko threads compared to Hilgya threads?"

They were between ten and a hundred times worse.

Hilgya is a minor supporting character. Miko was a central antagonist for about 264 strips. Miko had whole arcs focused on her as the antagonist. And for the most part of it she was, as a Paladin in good standing, inquestionably supposed to be Lawful Good.

Hilgya is little league compared to Miko.

[Peelee]

In addition, you can always visit the Forum War Museum (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?103669-The-Discussion-Thread-Index-II) for re-enactments anytime, if you have the time and inclination.

[Kish]

Hilgya threads revolve around one single forum poster--with occasional others coming up with weird-ass asterisks like "the crossbow wasn't actually aimed at her," but they recede quickly. Miko threads seized the entire forum, with lots of people, most of whom are no longer on the forum, howling for her head, and a few people even now popping up to argue that she should have been the hero of the comic.

[D.One]

In addition, you can always visit the Forum War Museum (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?103669-The-Discussion-Thread-Index-II) for re-enactments anytime, if you have the time and inclination.

Or you can see it live in the thread about 1147... :smallfrown:

[KorvinStarmast]

So I joined the comic not long after the 500 stanza epic poem of bold Sir Thumb (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0864.html) and thus do not have much an idea of how intense the Miko threads were. I do, however, know what Hilgya is like. My question for veteran forum-goers, is "Just how bad were Miko threads compared to Hilgya threads?"

To keep this from devolving into either thread-type, no specific examples are necessary. I would just like your opinions on the relative frustration/keep-the-popcorn-ready nature of Miko vs. Hilgya.

This is purely to satisfy my own curiosity since I have heard some posters assign the old Miko threads nearly legendary status.
The Giant has this to say about the recent resurrection of Miko arguments. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=23529605&postcount=781)

I give you all the gift of freedom from ~800 posts arguing about a character that's been dead for 12 years, largely because I don't want to read any of what's been written. Go forth and enjoy the world. Maybe watch a movie or something.

[denthor]

It was so bad with Miko that Rich had an idea for Miko in a one horse open slay for magnet or Christmas ornament.

He posted that he did not release it to the public. He thought it would reignite the debates. He waited until a year after her death to allow us to buy it.

His words were something like....I did not want to give anyone the idea that I might bring her back.

[FujinAkari]

They were pretty obtrusively bad. The Hilgya threads are fairly short, with a point and a counterpoint. No one changes their minds, but they are still fairly controlled. The Miko Threads broke the forum and to spill across multiple threads. Everyone had their view and no one really listened to one another. I still have scars.

[KorvinStarmast]

It was so bad with Miko that Rich had an idea for Miko in a one horse open slay for magnet or Christmas ornament. I see what you did there, and I chuckled. (possible voice to text of sleigh to slay)

[Cirin]

So I joined the comic not long after the 500 stanza epic poem of bold Sir Thumb (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0864.html) and thus do not have much an idea of how intense the Miko threads were. I do, however, know what Hilgya is like. My question for veteran forum-goers, is "Just how bad were Miko threads compared to Hilgya threads?"

To keep this from devolving into either thread-type, no specific examples are necessary. I would just like your opinions on the relative frustration/keep-the-popcorn-ready nature of Miko vs. Hilgya.

This is purely to satisfy my own curiosity since I have heard some posters assign the old Miko threads nearly legendary status.

Many, many, many times worse.

Miko was the single most divisive character, or element in any fashion, of this comic, by far.

Hilgya is a small time scuffle. By comparison, Miko was World War II and Hilgya was the 1989 U.S. invasion of Panama. . .both were technically warfare, but one was an epic conflict for the ages, the other is a minor scuffle that goes down as a footnote in history.

The Miko wars basically chased a LOT of people away from this site, I know I stayed away from the forums for YEARS after Miko, because of how divisive she was and how toxic these forums could get during her reign of terror. I saw it even spill over into other forums, where other websites discussing RPGs or other geek-related topics would have Miko threads pop up.

Well over a decade after Miko is gone, she's still the total embodiment of "Paladin played wrong" to a lot of gamers. . .and to others she's seen more favorably.

[Peelee]

Many, many, many times worse.

Miko was the single most divisive character, or element in any fashion, of this comic, by far.

Hilgya is a small time scuffle. By comparison, Miko was World War II and Hilgya was the 1989 U.S. invasion of Panama. . .both were technically warfare, but one was an epic conflict for the ages, the other is a minor scuffle that goes down as a footnote in history.

Would the Andi auto-wrench saga be Granada in this metaphor?

[Studoku]

"So I was born in the 20th century and thus do not have much an idea of how bad the bubonic plague was. I do, however, know what the flu is like. Just how bad was the Black Death compared to the flu?"

[Aveline]

"So I was born in the 20th century and thus do not have much an idea of how bad the bubonic plague was. I do, however, know what the flu is like. Just how bad was the Black Death compared to the flu?"

You may want to qualify your invocation of flu. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu)

Edit: Foolish me, I've illustrated your point. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death)

Edit 2: I further concede that the Black Death was culturally devastating in ways the flu has never been, so really I should have just thought for a while longer before posting.

[Lacuna Caster]

Hilgya threads revolve around one single forum poster--with occasional others coming up with weird-ass asterisks like "the crossbow wasn't actually aimed at her," but they recede quickly. Miko threads seized the entire forum, with lots of people, most of whom are no longer on the forum, howling for her head, and a few people even now popping up to argue that she should have been the hero of the comic.
Well, I would have been happy with 'recurring supporting character', personally. Or at least if almost everything about the later strip didn't make the context of her introduction look increasingly baffling.

[CriticalFailure]

Wow. Just reading the current threads made me think that the author has the patience of a paladin saint not nuking the forum...

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Wow. Just reading the current threads made me think that the author has the patience of a paladin saint not nuking the forum...

Nah, he just doesn't read them at all. He believes (probably correctly) that the cost of the forum is compensated by increased visibility, comic-promotion and sales. But he doesn't visit much, except when wielding the modhammer.

Grey Wolf

[Angrith]

Wow. Thanks everybody for your responses.


"So I was born in the 20th century and thus do not have much an idea of how bad the bubonic plague was. I do, however, know what the flu is like. Just how bad was the Black Death compared to the flu?"

This most clearly illustrates the difference to me. Metaphors for the win!

[The_Weirdo]

Hilgya is actually the counterpart for LE fallen Paladin Miko, making her CG.

Prove me wrong.

[Caerulea]

Hilgya is actually the counterpart for LE fallen Paladin Miko, making her CG.

Prove me wrong.
We have two other threads devolving into Miko threads right now, can we please not have this one fall too?

Also, I think you posted that in the wrong thread.

[The_Weirdo]

We have two other threads devolving into Miko threads right now, can we please not have this one fall too?

Also, I think you posted that in the wrong thread.

There's a reason for the blue text, y'know. :smalltongue:

[Caerulea]

There's a reason for the blue text, y'know. :smalltongue:
What was the intended joke? I don't see one.

[Elanasaurus]

i think the intended joke was that Weirdo was parodying himself.

[dps]

My question for veteran forum-goers, is "Just how bad were Miko threads compared to Hilgya threads?"


Ever heard of the Bataan Death March?

[Elanasaurus]

Ever heard of the Bataan Death March?Please don't do that. :frown:

[Dr.Zero]

So, after all, when reading Roy's speech "You're not one of the OOTS and you will never be" and asking to myself where she asked to become one of them, the correct reply was indeed: "Nowhere."

Because that is a message sent to the fanbase.

[hamishspence]

Because that is a message sent to the fanbase.
Miko being, at least from Roy's point of view, a member of the party, was brought up here:

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0221.html

so, in that respect, there was a lot of speculation that once Miko handed over the Order, and they were acquitted or at least sentenced to something minimal thanks to mitigating factors, she might become a member more permanently.

But it was later made clear that she would not be a member, and it could be said that Roy's statement was as much to the audience as it was to Miko.

[Caerulea]

So, after all, when reading Roy's speech "You're not one of the OOTS and you will never be" and asking to myself where she asked to become one of them, the correct reply was indeed: "Nowhere."
I don't recall them visiting Nowhere. Roy was mistaken for the king that's for sure, but they didn't go there. Perhaps you meant Anywhere?

[Dr.Zero]

Miko being, at least from Roy's point of view, a member of the party, was brought up here:

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0221.html


so, in that respect, there was a lot of speculation that once Miko handed over the Order, and they were acquitted or at least sentenced to something minimal thanks to mitigating factors, she might become a member more permanently.

But it was later made clear that she would not be a member, and it could be said that Roy's statement was as much to the audience as it was to Miko.

Ah, I see. In some way this puts a bit of sense in that speech, in universe, with Roy talking more to himself -and what he projected were Miko desires- than to Miko.

(And yes, of course, the fanbase explanations stands.)


I don't recall them visiting Nowhere. Roy was mistaken for the king that's for sure, but they didn't go there. Perhaps you meant Anywhere?

Is there anything I can say to that question that will end this conversation quicker?
(http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0087.html)
(don't say "not really", don't say "not really", don't say "not really") (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0130.html)

[Caerulea]

Is there anything I can say to that question that will end this conversation quicker? (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0087.html)

Yes. Yes there is.