Elan and xykon?

[pyrefiend]

Ok, so this is a bit “out there.” But keep in mind, has anyone ever seen that xykon and elan have been in the same room or even spoken to each other for more than a panel or two? There is this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0113.html) infamous “symbol of pain panel” but that is hardly conclusive. I In fact honestly Elan is the party member who has the least OVERTLY to do with xykon the lich. Given the current direction of the story I think we are headed for some third-act reveals and I do not think the Elan-xykon connection can be ruled out of hand or dismissed without thinking it through. Ideas, thoughts, etc.?

[Kish]

I like pie.

[Caerulea]

Party member with the least to do about Xykon my foot! There is Belker, who motivations are pretty close "what is fun for me in this instant" and hints of long term planning. Plus, has anyone ever seen Belker and Xykon speaking to or near each other? Belker nearly comes right out and says he works for Xykon (520 anyone?) Elan doesn't know his lute from his vest, he isn't a secret agent.

Also, pie is nice. What kind? I prefer chocolate or apple myself.

[woweedd]

Party member with the least to do about Xykon my foot! There is Belker, who motivations are pretty close "what is fun for me in this instant" and hints of long term planning. Plus, has anyone ever seen Belker and Xykon speaking to or near each other? Belker nearly comes right out and says he works for Xykon (520 anyone?) Elan doesn't know his lute from his vest, he isn't a secret agent.

Also, pie is nice. What kind? I prefer chocolate or apple myself.
How long did it take him to find out about the Gates, again?

[Caerulea]

How long did it take him to find out about the Gates, again?
Who? ...............

[denthor]

How long did it take him to find out about the Gates, again?

What gates?

[woweedd]

Who? ...............
Belkar....

[Darth Paul]

Ideas, thoughts, etc.?

Is there ever going to be an animated revival of Firefly? And if so, who would they get to do the voice for Shepherd Book, now that Ron Glass is no longer with us?

[Riftwolf]

Isn't this what the Crack Pairing site is for?

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Elan doesn't know his lute from his vest

How dare you besmirch the honor of Lutey, the Lute-tastical Lute and Armand Vestinghole (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1091.html) so?

This means rubber chickens at dawn!

Grey Wolf

[Goblin_Priest]

What gates?

Yea, what gate? I don't see a gate.

[NerdyKris]

Ok, so this is a bit “out there.” But keep in mind, has anyone ever seen that xykon and elan have been in the same room or even spoken to each other for more than a panel or two? There is this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0113.html) infamous “symbol of pain panel” but that is hardly conclusive. I In fact honestly Elan is the party member who has the least OVERTLY to do with xykon the lich. Given the current direction of the story I think we are headed for some third-act reveals and I do not think the Elan-xykon connection can be ruled out of hand or dismissed without thinking it through. Ideas, thoughts, etc.?

Your criteria applies to everyone in the party except Roy and Vaarsuvius. You also aren't really saying what the connection is aside from the fact that Xykon has only directly interacted with two of the six party members.

[Ruck]

Your criteria applies to everyone in the party except Roy and Vaarsuvius. You also aren't really saying what the connection is aside from the fact that Xykon has only directly interacted with two of the six party members.

"There is literally no connection between these characters. Will this connection be explored?"

[Peelee]

"There is literally no connection between these characters. Will this connection be explored?"

That's a pretty good commentary on the state of the forums sometimes.

[zimmerwald1915]

"Will this connection be explored?"
Only among the Crack Pairings community.

[Ruck]

Only among the Crack Pairings community.

I heard Tumblr was shutting that stuff down, though.

[Caerulea]

How dare you besmirch the honor of Lutey, the Lute-tastical Lute and Armand Vestinghole (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1091.html) so?

This means rubber chickens at dawn!

Grey Wolf
Do you bite your thumb, good sir? I say, we shall battle now.

According to random.org, (https://www.random.org/) I have rolled a 16 for my blow with a rubber chicken. How do you respond?

[pyrefiend]

Your criteria applies to everyone in the party except Roy and Vaarsuvius.

Elan is also the only other male human in the party. But, clearly, I would not say that that is the only connection... Or the most important

[thelivingmonkey]

WAIT GUYS I HAVE A GROUDBREAKING THEORY

WE NEVER HAVE SEEN LEEKY AND MINRAH IN THE SAME ROOM

THEREFORE THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON


Sorry to be rude this is just kinda ridiculous in my mind. Would not be surprised if this is a troll.

[Kish]

Also, pie is nice. What kind? I prefer chocolate or apple myself.
Right now I'm thinking of key lime pie.

[zimmerwald1915]

Right now I'm thinking of key lime pie.
Are. . . are you OK? :smalleek:

[Caerulea]

WAIT GUYS I HAVE A GROUDBREAKING THEORY

WE NEVER HAVE SEEN LEEKY AND MINRAH IN THE SAME ROOM

THEREFORE THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON.
That is clearly ridiculous. Minrah is obviously Miko (they both start with m), reincarnated as a dwarf by Leek Windstaff before he signed with The Linear Guild. To suggest otherwise is madness.

[zimmerwald1915]

That is clearly ridiculous. Minrah is obviously Miko (they both start with m), reincarnated as a dwarf by Leek Windstaff before he signed with The Linear Guild. To suggest otherwise is madness.
Leeky is a time traveler?

[Caerulea]

Leeky is a time traveler?
He existed before he signed up with them. I mean, since he and Xykon are friends, they probably posses the magics necessary to travel back in time, but I don't think it is necessary for this explanation. (Why the dwarves hate trees on the other hand...)

[Kish]

He existed before he signed up with them. I mean, since he and Xykon are friends, they probably posses the magics necessary to travel back in time, but I don't think it is necessary for this explanation. (Why the dwarves hate trees on the other hand...)
But Miko wasn't dead until after Leeky had joined the Linear Guild (and parted ways with them, for that matter).

[Peelee]

Are. . . are you OK? :smalleek:

You more of a lemon meringue fan?

[Caerulea]

But Miko wasn't dead until after Leeky had joined the Linear Guild (and parted ways with them, for that matter).
Oh, I forgot. In that case, sure. Or not. The theory works either way. Maybe Minrah is sent back in time by Thor at some point.

[Yendor]

Do you bite your thumb, good sir? I say, we shall battle now.

:thog: thog don't know if thog even has thumbs.

[zimmerwald1915]

You more of a lemon meringue fan?
Key lime pie is the flavor you taste just before you die.

[Caerulea]

:thog: thog don't know if thog even has thumbs.
:thog: thog not get references. ​(388)

[goodpeople25]

WAIT GUYS I HAVE A GROUDBREAKING THEORY

WE NEVER HAVE SEEN LEEKY AND MINRAH IN THE SAME ROOM

THEREFORE THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON


Sorry to be rude this is just kinda ridiculous in my mind. Would not be surprised if this is a troll.
But Leeky is just off-panel with the other totally recurring villains having a super special awesome struggle with the characters (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=23569269&postcount=14) who totally joined the Order of the Stick. Yes I know there's possible overlap so there would be two Crystals, Mikos or whoever, That just sums up the ridiculous for me.

Also what did Groud ever do to you? I don't know the guy but I doubt he deserves to be broken. :smallbiggrin:

[Peelee]

Key lime pie is the flavor you taste just before you die.

Mucho appreciado. I now share your concern for Kish.

[Kish]

I promise, you're never likely to catch me referencing Erfworld.

[woweedd]

I promise, you're never likely to catch me referencing Erfworld.
You have a problem with Erfworld?

[Peelee]

You have a problem with Erfworld?

Lack of lemon meringue references is my guess.

[RatElemental]

I have a bit of a love hate relationship with Erfworld. It started out as a neat little comic with a fish out of water vibe to it with lots of interesting mechanics to learn about and turned into a novel about mind reading wizards wanting to assassinate the wizard of oz or something.

At least it's still less ridiculous than Elan being Xykon.

[Kish]

You have a problem with Erfworld?
Let me put it this way: Occasionally, I say that I don't understand why someone who isn't enjoying OotS doesn't stop reading it. I say that that's what I've done, when it became clear that webcomics had default assumptions that made them unappealing to me.

Erfworld has long been my example.

(Specifically, I find Parson's personality and moral sense entirely repulsive, and at the time I quit, the comic had only gone steadily further into "you're supposed to love and identify with this guy" territory. Glibly summing up the Wizard of Oz as "How did Dorothy get home? Short answer? By killing" was fine when I thought the author agreed with it as much as Shakespeare agreed with "kill all the lawyers.")

[woweedd]

Let me put it this way: Occasionally, I say that I don't understand why someone who isn't enjoying OotS doesn't stop reading it. I say that that's what I've done, when it became clear that webcomics had default assumptions that made them unappealing to me.

Erfworld has long been my example.

(Specifically, I find Parson's personality and moral sense entirely repulsive, and at the time I quit, the comic had only gone steadily further into "you're supposed to love and identify with this guy" territory. Glibly summing up the Wizard of Oz as "How did Dorothy get home? Short answer? By killing" was fine when I thought the author agreed with it as much as Shakespeare agreed with "kill all the lawyers.")
I mean, I may be mistaken, but if I remember correctly, the story hasn't really been about Parason ever since the end of Book 1. Also, I never got the sense we were supposed to root for this guy. Identify with? Maybe. Root for? Not really. He's playing the bad guy, and he's aware of it. Eh, different strokes.

[Jasdoif]

I have a bit of a love hate relationship with Erfworld. It started out as a neat little comic with a fish out of water vibe to it with lots of interesting mechanics to learn about and turned into a novel about mind reading wizards wanting to assassinate the wizard of oz or something.

At least it's still less ridiculous than Elan being Xykon.Maybe before Erfworld turned into a game of "deus ex machina to negate the previous deus ex machina". Actually wait, it'd have to be before that; the first deus ex machina in that series flatly tossed aside the antagonist successfully achieving the goal he'd been working on for the past book-and-a-half.

[Ruck]

Glibly summing up the Wizard of Oz as "How did Dorothy get home? Short answer? By killing" was fine when I thought the author agreed with it as much as Shakespeare agreed with "kill all the lawyers.")

This reminds me of one of my favorite exchanges from NewsRadio:

BETH: My parents let me watch The Wizard of Oz when I was five, and it gave me nightmares.
LISA: Oh, right. The Wicked Witch.
BETH: No, Dorothy. For years I was convinced that a house was gonna fall out of the sky and crush me, and that some farm girl was gonna come along and steal my flashy red shoes.

[b_jonas]

Indeed, before they met in #900 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0900.html), it was a popular fan theory that Xykon was actually Elan, with one or both of them using costumes and illusion spells to mask their appearance. So much that the question even got to Rich's ears, and specifically denied that theory on Twitter in 2015 (https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/649913211521794048).

[thelivingmonkey]

But Leeky is just off-panel with the other totally recurring villains having a super special awesome struggle with the characters (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=23569269&postcount=14) who totally joined the Order of the Stick. Yes I know there's possible overlap so there would be two Crystals, Mikos or whoever, That just sums up the ridiculous for me.

Also what did Groud ever do to you? I don't know the guy but I doubt he deserves to be broken. :smallbiggrin:

Oh yeah my bad.

Yeah I'm sorry it was just a joke...

[Peelee]

This reminds me of one of my favorite exchanges from NewsRadio:

Dang I miss that show. Bill and Jimmy James were the best.

[zimmerwald1915]

(Specifically, I find Parson's personality and moral sense entirely repulsive, and at the time I quit, the comic had only gone steadily further into "you're supposed to love and identify with this guy" territory. Glibly summing up the Wizard of Oz as "How did Dorothy get home? Short answer? By killing" was fine when I thought the author agreed with it as much as Shakespeare agreed with "kill all the lawyers.")
You mean to say Shakespeare didn't really endorse the liquidation of the parasitic petit-bourgeoisie, of which he himself was a member? But simply put those words in the mouth of a character who might - who was feeling exploited and abused by his superiors, who was fighting their wars for their benefit and not his own?

Color me shocked.

(Also, any modern-day Jacks Cade and ***** the Butcher, please feel free to kill all the lawyers - on the condition that you then build a non-obscurantist society where we are not necessary.)

[woweedd]

You mean to say Shakespeare didn't really endorse the liquidation of the parasitic petit-bourgeoisie, of which he himself was a member? But simply put those words in the mouth of a character who might - who was feeling exploited and abused by his superiors, who was fighting their wars for their benefit and not his own?

Color me shocked.

(Also, any modern-day Jacks Cade and ***** the Butcher, please feel free to kill all the lawyers - on the condition that you then build a non-obscurantist society where we are not necessary.)

Lawyers: Lawful Neutral in action, Lawful Good in intent. Never thought i'd say this, but you get a bad rep.

[EmperorSarda]

Indeed, before they met in #900 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0900.html), it was a popular fan theory that Xykon was actually Elan, with one or both of them using costumes and illusion spells to mask their appearance. So much that the question even got to Rich's ears, and specifically denied that theory on Twitter in 2015 (https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/649913211521794048).

Umm, that is a JK Rowling saying that Dumbledore is not a time traveling Ron Weasley.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Umm, that is a JK Rowling saying that Dumbledore is not a time traveling Ron Weasley.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/992/401/e37.png

Grey Wolf

[Ruck]

Wait, so Dumbledore is Xykon?

[zimmerwald1915]

Wait, so Dumbledore is Xykon?
Couldn't be. Xykon is from modern Earth, and Dumbledore died in 1996.

[Lord Torath]

Ok, so this is a bit “out there.” But keep in mind, has anyone ever seen that xykon and elan have been in the same room or even spoken to each other for more than a panel or two? There is this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0113.html) infamous “symbol of pain panel” but that is hardly conclusive. I In fact honestly Elan is the party member who has the least OVERTLY to do with xykon the lich. Given the current direction of the story I think we are headed for some third-act reveals and I do not think the Elan-xykon connection can be ruled out of hand or dismissed without thinking it through. Ideas, thoughts, etc.?The epileptic trees are really sneezing today.

I rather like both Key Lime and Lemon Meringue pies. French Silk is pretty good to. Still can't beat a good Warm Apple Pie ala mode. Although mentioning meringue makes me think of a Baked Alaska. Those are pretty good, too!

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Still can't beat a good Warm Apple Pie ala mode

My child recently learnt the word for "apple pie". Heck if I know were from, since we've never had one in the house since they came into our lives - but they are absolutely convinced they like it and want some. We've promised to buy one, and here's hoping they will like it, because I usually can't stand them (due to texture, rather than flavour), but I hate throwing away food more than I dislike them.

Grey Wolf

[Peelee]

My child recently learnt the word for "apple pie". Heck if I know were from, since we've never had one in the house since they came into our lives
Why would you do that to your child?

I usually can't stand them (due to texture, rather than flavour), but I hate throwing away food more than I dislike them.

Grey Wolf
Oh.

Peach, maybe? And obviously lemon meringue, since that it the finest pie that piecrafters have yet made.

[Ruck]

Dang I miss that show. Bill and Jimmy James were the best.

Yeah, it's one of my all-time favorites. Bill and Jimmy were two of the best characters ever created for TV.

[Peelee]

Yeah, it's one of my all-time favorites. Bill and Jimmy were two of the best characters ever created for TV.

The actors definitely helped. I've never seen Stephen Root or Phil Hartman not knock it out of the park.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Why would you do that to your child?

We have been limiting their sugar intake in general; it's only been recently that we have started bringing the more unhealthy side of cooking into the house (or making our own). It's hard enough to get them to eat healthy - getting them to eat healthy when there is unhealthy options lying around is just setting myself up for failure.

Grey Wolf

[Peelee]

We have been limiting their sugar intake in general; it's only been recently that we have started bringing the more unhealthy side of cooking into the house (or making our own). It's hard enough to get them to eat healthy - getting them to eat healthy when there is unhealthy options lying around is just setting myself up for failure.

Grey Wolf

Well look at you and spouse (i assume) being all "oooo, let's practice good parenting." Child will still be raised by a wolf, I say!

[zimmerwald1915]

Child will still be raised by a wolf, I say!
Perhaps she will go on to found an empire?

[Peelee]

Perhaps she will go on to found an empire?

The key is to be good at engineering, and steal all the other sciences from the Greeks.

[SilverCacaobean]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/992/401/e37.png

Grey Wolf

To be fair, I also kept staring at that tweet with a stupid confused look on my face for quite some time before I realised it was a joke. If I was more of a trigger happy poster and had gotten here before EmperorSarda, I'd have posted the same thing as him...

I mean, I'm not trying to say I'm not stupid, but what b_jonas said is so plausible for this forum that I'm also genuinely surprised it's a joke.

[Ruck]

The actors definitely helped. I've never seen Stephen Root or Phil Hartman not knock it out of the park.

Never, not once. National treasures, they are.

[ti'esar]

TBH, this isn't actually out-there enough by the standards of out-there theories on this forum. It feels like it's falling in the vague middle ground between "the party actually IS controlled by giant space cats" and "Miron is Geoff's simulacrum". Bring back "Baron Pineapple was a time-traveling Belkar" and then we can talk.

(Also, I have to say that as someone who gave up on Erfworld a LONG time ago, I still have an easier time believing Kish was referencing it than that he genuinely likes key lime pie. :smallyuk:)

[Potatopeelerkin]

Elan / Xykon will be the true endgame pairing, mark my words.

But what should it be called? Skeletune? Bonejo? Xyklan or Elkon seems too boring.

I don't even like shipping, and I'm totally on board with this.

[Emanick]

Elan / Xykon will be the true endgame pairing, mark my words.

But what should it be called? Skeletune? Bonejo? Xyklan or Elkon seems too boring.

I don't even like shipping, and I'm totally on board with this.

I like Bonejo.

[Caerulea]

Elan / Xykon will be the true endgame pairing, mark my words.

But what should it be called? Skeletune? Bonejo? Xyklan or Elkon seems too boring.

Definitely Bonejo.

[martianmister]

Elan / Xykon will be the true endgame pairing, mark my words.

But what should it be called? Skeletune? Bonejo? Xyklan or Elkon seems too boring.

I don't even like shipping, and I'm totally on board with this.

I'll go with Xyklan.

[Flying Turtle]

I'll go with Xyklan.


That sounds like somethin you'd use to treat a particularly persistent rash.

[Mariele]

That sounds like somethin you'd use to treat a particularly persistent rash.
Which is exactly what this pairing should be.

[Brumagris]

well, obviously, Elan IS Xykon.


And in a dramatic turn of events, Haley is Redcloack's niece. And they will marry at the end of the comic

[martianmister]

well, obviously, Elan IS Xykon.


And in a dramatic turn of events, Haley is Redcloack's niece. And they will marry at the end of the comic

So, Ian is Right-Eye?

[zimmerwald1915]

So, Ian is Right-Eye?
Does that make Geoff Redcloak? And Haley Redcloak's niece?

[Caerulea]

Does that make Geoff Redcloak? And Haley Redcloak's niece?
You might want to look up.

And in a dramatic turn of events, Haley is Redcloack's niece.

[Haluesen]

Elan / Xykon will be the true endgame pairing, mark my words.

But what should it be called? Skeletune? Bonejo? Xyklan or Elkon seems too boring.

I don't even like shipping, and I'm totally on board with this.

I also like Bonejo.

[Quild]

Oh, I forgot. In that case, sure. Or not. The theory works either way. Maybe Minrah is sent back in time by Thor at some point.

Makes a Knowledge (Norse Mythology) Check

Thor actually sent Jörmungandr back in time at some point, so he could do the same to Minrah. They seem to go along pretty well.

[Riftwolf]

Is Jormungand(r?) covered in Deities and Demigods? Or Nidhogg, or that tattle-tale squirrel? I think Minrah is established as canonically all three, if you understand the subtext. Apart from all the problems with this idea, it's a perfect fit!

[Peelee]

Makes a Knowledge (Norse Mythology) Check

Makes a Craft (Basket Weaving) Check

Yes, Thor could absolutely do that.

[Riftwolf]

Makes a Craft (Basket Weaving) Check

Yes, Thor could absolutely do that.

What was the DC to craft a basket that could make a Knowledge check?
And is it much higher to make a basket that can make a *successful* Knowledge check?

[2D8HP]

Elan / Xykon will be the true endgame pairing, mark my words.

But what should it be called? Skeletune? Bonejo? Xyklan or Elkon seems too boring.

I don't even like shipping, and I'm totally on board with this.


Why do you bluetext this perfectly, viable, well thought idea?

(And yes Bonejo is the way to go!

Rich: Please! Please! Please! Make it happen! Be gentle with Haley though)

[Peelee]

What was the DC to craft a basket that could make a Knowledge check?
And is it much higher to make a basket that can make a *successful* Knowledge check?

The same DC that a Knowledge (Norse Mythology) check has as it pertains to OOTS Thor.

[Kish]

Where does a Knowledge (DC Comics) check come in, then?

The correct answer is "the same place as the Basketweaving check"; Thor is a Marvel character, not DC.

[Peelee]

Where does a Knowledge (DC Comics) check come in, then?

I can't wait for the Captain Marvel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_Comics)) movie to come out!

[Quild]

The same DC that a Knowledge (Norse Mythology) check has as it pertains to OOTS Thor.

Since no one made the remark, I'm forced to say that my Knowledge Check was a reference to the game God of War. Which, while being qyute good, is probably not a perfect source of information regarding Norse Mythology.


I can't wait for the Captain Marvel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_Comics)) movie to come out!

I wish they'd call it that rather than Shazam!
And that they gave it the same release date that Marvel's Captain Marvel.
These people clearly have no sense of humor.

[Peelee]

Since no one made the remark, I'm forced to say that my Knowledge Check was a reference to the game God of War. Which, while being qyute good, is probably not a perfect source of information regarding Norse Mythology.
Ah. Never played the game.

I wish they'd call it that rather than Shazam!
And that they gave it the same release date that Marvel's Captain Marvel.
These people clearly have no sense of humor.
Seconded on all counts! Though they probably have smart lawyers.

[martianmister]

I always find it hilarious that DC is promoting a character they destroyed back then.