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Peelee

2018-12-15, 12:56 PM

Southern-Style Random Guidelines for a Random Banter (rules is for the gov'ment).

1. Spam. Good for eatin', bad for postin'. For the purposes of RB, one word posts are generally considered spam. Likewise, posts that are nothing but *actions like this* are also be considered tasty, tasty spam. Remember that the quality of the post's content is much better than the speed of your response.

2. This ain't the Play by Post or Town forum, or the Silly Message Board Games forum, or the Structured Games forum. Please avoid continuous roleplay or mock battles and fights such as the "competition for control of the universe" now y'hear?

3. Now look, if it's already a thread, ain't no good bringin' it to RB. RB has such a big ol' range of subject matter even restricted to the little snippets that probably don't warrant their own thread, it doesn't need legitimate thread topics cluttering it up as well. The exception to this is to bring something that is off-topic from one thread, but on-topic for RB and the subject doesn't warrant a thread of its own.

4. Don't advertise other threads in RB. Just because these new threads be movin' at speeds more appropriate to a message board than an IM session doesn't mean you need to come over to RB and drag people kickin' and screamin' into posting in your latest brainchild.

5. Please don't post single line posts alerting us to your current status -- as in "I'm back." This is Random Banter, not the cardboard sign in your yard sayin' your outta jail.

6. Don't poke, kick or bump the thread, you're liable to get shot at. It will move at whatever pace it wants to. Also, don't you go makin' Captain Obvious comments akin to "hoo doggy, the thread is fast today."

7. Random Banter can only be as good, or as entertaining, as y'all make it. Demands to be entertained gonna be fallin' on deaf ears les'n you can add something more meaningful to the conversation.

8. As this here is a public forum, where the current topic is nicely recorded for you, and not a conversation where you could have missed the beginning, please refrain from asking something to the effect of "What's the topic?". Please take the time to read up a bit first.

9. Thread Creator must include the words "Random" and "Banter" as well as the thread #. Try to be concise as well. (That means short.) Thread Creator must also be the smartest and best-lookin' guy in the South. Little joke there for ya.

10. Every post should contain two visible, legible complete sentences, Subject and Predicate. C'mon, this is your fifth time in third grade, somethin's gotta've gotten through by now.

11. Remember, Random Banter is not your IM client. If any y'all wanna have a back and forth discussion with just one person, look in their contact infos for IM details.

12. Whenever a new thread is created, all "first post", "first page", and all posts of that nature will be deleted by the gov'ment administrators. Please avoid doing this, as it is frustrating for them to deal with one-lined posts like this.

13. No double posting. Not gonna do it. Nah gah dah!

14. Once you have made a Random Banter thread, ya gotta wait 50 threads before making another one.

15. If'n you can avoid dibs calling on making the next thread, that will avoid people needing to wait if the thread hits 50 pages while the dibs-caller is drunk on the couch.

Amotis' Random Banter #1 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13484)
Dhavaer's Random Banter #2 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13401)
PhoeKun's Random Banter #3 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13319)
Rei Jin's Random Banter #4 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13205)
Toxic Avenger's Random Banter #5 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13146)
Jibar's Random Banter #6 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13026)
Ego Slayer's Surrogate Random Banter #7 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12939)
Sneak's Random Barroom Brawl #8 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12918)
Sophistemon's Solemnly Random Banter #9 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12855)
Vaynor's Very Random Banter #10 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12834)
Bookman's Blathering Random Banter #11 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12809)
Gralamin's Glorious Random Banter #12 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12785)
Rilik's Resplendently Random Raillery #13 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12766)
Gezina's Growling Grazing Random Banter #14 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12747)
The Zerglings Utterly And Geeky Random Banter #15 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12740)
jaqueses Truthfully Randomly Fireside Banter # 16 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12735)
Jack Squat’s Jubilantly Quixotic Random Banter #17 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12693)
Cardel's Banter of Cookie Jubilation #18 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12668)
Archonic's Chaotically Random Banter of Rods #19 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12657)
The Rod's Inanimate Temple of RANDOM banter #20 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12638)
Lucky’s Loquaciously Loud-Mouthed Random Banter#21 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12630)
Deckmaster's Divinely Delightful Random Banter #22 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12614)
Saithis' Soliloquy of Random Banter #23 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12598)
Loveable Lianae's Ludicrous Lampooning Lottery #24 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12578)
NEO|Phyte's Neolithic Nest of Weasel Banter #25 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12544)
Target's Random Banter of "non-violence" #26 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12533)
Tarnag40k's Random banter of "grammar errors" #27 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12515)
Kyrian's Random Banter of ADHDness #28 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12507)
El Jaspero's Random Drunken Ramblings #29 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12503)
Boss Smiley's Eloquently Eggy Banter #30 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12494)
Lykan's Looney Explosionarama & Random Banter #31 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12482)
Iames's Iambic Yarn of Yammering #32 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12468)
Dispozition's Deviously Distressed Banter #33 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12458)
CP's Copiously Combusting Banter of Carnage #34 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12445)
Alarra's Altar of Random Banter #35 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12432)
Eloquent Rune's Electrifying Rambling Banter #36 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12423)
E_P's Very Own Quite Popular Random Banter #37 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12419)
Hydrogelic's Foolish Mortal Random Banter #38 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12413)
Ink's Smudgy Splotchy Random Banter #39 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12405)
Azrael's Big Black Book of Banter #40 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12397)
The Logic Vampire's Rational Random Banter #41 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12387)
Shiny's Shimmering Space-hitchin Random Banter #42 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12376)
ZombieRockStar's Random Banter #43 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12360)
Nostrabel's Realm of Cookies and Random Banter #44 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12342)
Charity's Cheery Chatter Circle #45 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12328)
Samiam's Spontaneous Scintillating Soliloquy #46 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12310)
LLama's Masked Mysterious Random Banter #47 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26599)
Ravishing Rydia's Recumbentibus ^_^ Random Banter #48 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27622)
Penguinizers Perilous Random Banter #49 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28083)
Death's delightfully morbid surrogate random banter #50 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28444)
Wayril's wonderfully weird surrogate random banter #51 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28990)
Rawhide's Deck of Random Banter (52 Cards) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29697)
Korith's Sorrogate Random Banter of Zombie Killing #53 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30353)
Surrogate thread of random Bor-dom #54 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31109)
Rex Idiotarum's Painfully Pogoing Thread #55 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31512)
The Wrath of KHAAAAAANtalas’s William Shatner Flavored Random Banter # 56 (Surrogate) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32080)
EmeraldRose's Random Banter of Lashing Wit #57 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32494)
Captain van der Decken's Surrogate Ship of Random Loot (Banter) #58 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32847)
SDF's Neverending I-Don't-Have-an-OotS-Avatar-Yet Story Banter #59 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33465)
Mauril's Surrogate Dwelf Banter of Fantasy Race Confusion 60th Edition (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34165)
Rockphed's Dice Rolling Toga Party of 61 Drunken CIA Analysts (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34568)
var Lord_Magtok = Random(Banter*62) + Surrogate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34801)
Jibar's Retro Random Banter #63 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35014)
Malina's Random Spanish Banter #64 of morphical annoyance (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35256)
Mr. E's Random Banter #65 of Cane Toting and Hat Tipping (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35418)
Ego Slayer's Hellishly Random Banter #66.6 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35596)
Purple Gelatinous Cube o' Doom's bowl of bantery j-e-ll-o randomness #67 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35859)
Zephra's Random Banter of Ghostly Wailings, and Howling Fun#68 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36317)
Cobra Ikari's Random Banter #69 of Rampant Hugging, Guttermindedness, and ;-) Kinky. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36977)
Scorpina's Random Banter #70 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37480)
Raistlin1040's Super Special Awesome Random Banter #71(Now with 20% more tacos) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37824)
Uberblah's Random Banter #72 Of Caffeine And Sleep Deprivation Induced Randomness (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38225)
Lucky’s Random Banter #73 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38987)
Castaras's Random Banter #74 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37836)
D'anna Biers RB #75 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39495)
Zeb The Troll's RB#76 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39801)
Eldpollard's RB #77 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40128)
Gezina's and Calamity's Random banter #78 of double entendre and doom (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40410)
Random Banter #79 In Loving Memory of Hexa_Regina (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40909)
Zeratul's random banter #80 of throwing puppies off bridges (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41778)
Vespe's Random Banter #81 of singing dolphins and mostly harmless planets. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43254)
CSK's Giant in the Playground Forums Addicted Anonymous, Random Banter #82 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44919)
Iames's Ramblingly Erratic Belldandy-Charged Random Banter #83 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47592)
Serpentine's Scintillating Sensually and Sinuously Seductive Stochastic Satire #84 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49048)
Radikalskippy's Random Banter #85 of lost ideas and where to find them... (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50658)
Moon Called's Random Banter #86 of Sexy Anime Boys and Fangirl Squeals (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51825)
Lilly's Lovely Random Banter #87 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52783)
FdL's Fuzzbox-Fueled Random Banter #88 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54612)
SweetRein's Sugary Restrained Random Banter #89 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59668)
Midnight's Mutant Motorcycle Madness Random Banter #90 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62430)
Em's Extremely Extraordinarily Epic Random Banter #91 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65645)
Dragonrider's Random Banter in Conjunction with the Weighted Cube #92 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67629)
Bushranger's Bodaciously Buffed Random Banter-y Rooster #93 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69425)
Haruki's Historically Hilarious Honey-covered Random Banter #94 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71161)
North's Maple Syrup Flavored Non-Alliterative Random Banter #95 Eh? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73464)
Wadledo's Weirdly Warbling Watercress Watching Washing Machine Only Random Banter #96 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75946)
SMEE's Random Banter #97 of gender bending and closet bursting (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78694)
Raiser's Rambunctiously Rambling Random Banter #98 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81626)
Dr. Bath's Random Banter, dripping with daring deeds of dastardly deipnosophists #99 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84068)
VOTE, the Democracy Demon's Devilishly Devious and Decidedly Diabolical Desultory Derision (Random Banter) #100 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84914)
Jack Squat's Justlessly Juxtaposed Random Banter #101 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87577)
Dallas-Dakota's Dundering Dandelion's Devilish Damsel's Distress Random Banter #102 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4790602#post4790602)
Destro Yersul's Dangerously Distracting and Doubtlessly Disturbing Random Banter #103 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4903962#post4903962)
Aziraphales Actually Alliterative and Awesomely Affluent Random Banter #104 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92718)
Cristo's Consistently Confusing and Constantly Casual Random Banter #105 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94491)
Dish's Delightfully Deranged and Deliciously Deliquent Random Banter # 106 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95905)
Slayer's Seemingly Sweet and Socially Silly Random Banter # 107 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97703)
Zero's ambrosial and aberrantly adventitious, abstemiously erudite Random Banter #108 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99100)
Coplantor's Completely Creative Cautious and Contemplative Random Banter #109 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100414)
Rutskarn's Roly-Poly Rebellious and Rejected Random Banter #110 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101156)
TwoBitWriter's Tubular Tracts of Thought-Talking Random Banter #111 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5600540#post5600540)
Phase's Phully Phormed, Phalangeal, and Phantasmagorical Random Banter #112 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101988)
Wolfbane's Wonderfully Wacky and Wildly Wandom Random Banter #113 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102865)
The Kiwi's Kinkily Knotted and Kookily Kickass Random Banter #114 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103674)
Jude's Judgmental Jugular Jab and Jibber Jabbery Random Banter #115 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104480)
The Throne of Thufir's Thoroughly Theoretical and Therapeutic Random Banter #116 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105584)
Random Banter #117 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106698)
Dragonprime's Dynamically Dangerous Dextrous and Destructive Random Banter #118 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107882)
Farmer Felix's Fantastic FRandom FBanter #119 (may contain traces of fnuts) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109007)
Groundhog's Random Banter of Weather Prediction and Anti-Gopherness (part one) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110963&page=50)
Groundhog's Random Banter of Weather Prediction and Anti-Gopherness (part two) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113197)
Mrmud's Mixed-Up and Minimally Mechanized Random Banter #121 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114623)
Dogmantra's Dastardly, Despotic and Dangerous Random Banter #122 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116660)
Alteran's Amazingly Anachronistic, Altruistic, and Antagonistic Random Banter #123
(http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118380)Admiral Euphoria's Random Banter Thread of Delusional Grandeur #124 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6614894)
Fred's Flying Fishy, Fighting, Fiery, Fantastic Face Off Random Banter #125 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121385)
Cyrano’s Non-Alliterative Inaugurational Random Banter #126 To Usher In The Future (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122977)
Thanatos's Tharmturges Present: Tropical, Tipsy, and Typically Random Banter #127
loopy's Legendary and Long-Awaited Lollipop Fuelled Random Banter #128 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123816)
Shadow's Shady Shop of Sharks, Shingles, Shammies, Shiny and Random Banter #129 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125667)
KataraAltinaII's Premature Not So Short & To-The-Point Random Banter #130 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126557)
Supagoof's Supa-Sensational Silly Symphonies Set Sizzingly On Fire Random Banter #131 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128570)
Pyrian's Pyrotechnic Pyre of Pyrrhic Pyros with Pyrotic Pythics Random Banter #132! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130459)
Perenelle's Pleasantly Playful and Passionately Peculiar Random Banter #133 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131814)
Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7373844#post7373844)
Il'deav Ilah'naie's Indiscreet Intimacies on Indigo Iceboats Random Banter #135 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134438)
Recaiden's Resplendent and Rotating Realistic Random Banter #136 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136879)
Jibar's Random Banter #137: Return of the Cat-muffin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138879)
Edge's Effluence of Extravagant and Effulgent Random Banter #138 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7876065)
Zeb The Troll's Zecond Go At Ze Random Banter #139 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8061505&postcount=1)
Curly's Rambunctious and Erudite Random Banter #140 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148462)
Deth Muncher's Destructive and Meandering Random Banter #141 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150904)
A Thread in Which Banter Most Random is Expulsed Into Existence, By Ravens_cry #142 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8722755)
Several Silly Sealions Stuffed Seaweed Southward Swiftly (Or, Random Banter #143) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159998)
The thread that changed name one last time, with style. (Random Banter #144) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161407)
Banjo’s Bodacious & Boosted Bumper Bulletproof Box of Banter Most Random #145 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162819)
Masa's Massively Masterful Message Medium - Random Banter #146 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164224)
KuReshtin's Vociferously Ruminating Harbinger of Random Banter - #147 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166664)
Archonic's Archaic Acronymical Antidisestablishmentarianism Random Banter - #148 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169890)
Skeppio's Splendidly Strange & Superbly Scintillating Random Banter - #149 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173056)
Teddy's Turbulent and Topicless Random Banter #150 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175338)
Fifty-Eyed Fred's Ferociously Fanatical and Fabulously Fascinating Random Banter #151 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178205)
Rae's Really Rascally and Ridiculously Rowdy Random Banter #152 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181296)
Haruki's Hot n' Holy Random Banter #153 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10176275#post10176275)
MoonCat's Magnificently Mythopoeic Random Banter #154
(http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187576)Eadin's Exchange of Extraterrestrial Excuses AKA Random Banter #155 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190034)
Happy HalfTangible's Horrific Hail of Random Banter #156 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10629167#post10629167)
AtlanteanTroll's Atrocious and Terrific Arcade of Terror - RB #157 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196302)
LaLa’s Laughably Silly Random Banter Thread – RB #158 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198767)
Zaydos's Zany Zooetic Random Banter - RB #159 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200208)
Blue's Blessed and Blissful Random Banter - RB #160 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201653)
Absolmorph's Azoic Arete of Adventitious and Aimless Random Banter - RB 161 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202546)
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DataNinja

2018-12-15, 01:05 PM

Peelee

2018-12-15, 01:10 PM

Well, I can certainly say that that's a unique take on the rules. I see you followed through on what you said you'd do, at least. :smallamused:
(I imagine the next person's probably gonna want to go through and get the rules from a thread or two ago, though. For comprehension's sake. :smalltongue: )

I aim to please. Think I got most of the stereotypes across most of the regions. Even threw a little Foghorn Leghorn in there for good measure.

Bartmanhomer

2018-12-15, 01:18 PM

Yay a new random banter thread! :biggrin:

Peelee

2018-12-15, 01:24 PM

sounds like it is time to step up your game and have a stair-down. The flow of punhood can reach a torrent, but trickle along the next moment.

I could always try to shore up the puns so they don't flood the thread.

Teddy

2018-12-15, 01:38 PM

My sleep schedule has gotten completely backwards. Anyone have any suggestions for fixing it? I suppose I could stay up for another 12 hours and just go to bed at a normal time.

That's generally what I do when I go completely off track, albeit with mixed results as a natural inclination to be alert in the evening has caused me to overshoot my regular bedtime on one or two occasions anyway. Also, if you accidently take a nap in the afternoon, it could completely ruin your attempt if you're unlucky.

Not being a native english-speaker, the reverence to and the pun options by are completely unknown and not understandable to me. Now I feel a bit discriminated by completely being left out of the loop.

Aren't puns common in German, or do you just feel you don't have the English vocabulary to get into English puns?

Depends. The human body runs on an internal clock which can be independent of nature. One of the reasons is that we generally are healthy and have build up reserves, some of the benefits of living in first or second world countries, while our sleep cycle is ancient beyond measure. Strength of will also allows us to bypass the natural day/night cycle and get accustomed to an outside clock, to be able to work in shifts.

Some less human-positive reasons are indoors work and modern lighting disconnecting us from the regular day/night cycle, and societal expectations causing us to feel the need to be more alert in the evening.

Qwertystop

2018-12-15, 01:50 PM

Well, that seems to be the most casual a next-thread prompt (in the old thread) has ever been.

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-15, 02:00 PM

I will start and type until my heaart can take no more. Then I will return and continue.

It started with a ripping sensation like a muscle ripping, but no pain. I have had my calf tear 3 time. I know that pain. what came next was even greater. I felt my strength, which was great then, leave my arms and legs. It was the worst pain I could ever imagine. I could not stand strait up, it was that bad.

I went to my down stairs neighbor and tapped out SOS on his door's window. He and his wife took me to the nearest Veteran's Affairs Medical center where my friend, who was a football player in High School, and a really big dude from the ER to help me walk in.

When I was asked how high the pain level was on the scale of 1 to 10, I said 11 and not as a joke. The pain resembled an attack of appendicitis, but instead of on the right side, it was on the left. So after an initial work up of stats, they let me sit in pain, not sure what to do.

6 Hours later, I allegedly said I felt much better and would like to go home. A nurse realized that was not right at all, so he did a cogency test on me which I epicly failed. another work up showed my blood pressure at something like 30'/20's - that is not a misprint. My temp was listed on records as 105 plus.

More to come

had to stop to run and do some errands.

on 30 October, 2011, 2100 hrs[or somewhere around that time] the medical professionals went into hyper drive. Antibiotics, epinephrine, cat scan with contrast dye, and a scope through the abdominal muscle wall. The would normally do a through the intestine scope to find the leak, but time was of the essence. Obviously.

the following things happened over the next 6 weeks starting from day one:
3 chest tubes, one for a scope to discover I had LAM disease and double pneumonia. they hooked me up to a ventilator.
epinephrine drip for 34 days, or there abouts, they flooded my body with 14 L. of saline to flush out as much of the fecal fauna out of my body

the necrotizing of tissues caused repeated surgeries, 8 to be exact. That includes my appendix.

I woke several times during the 'big sleep', once in mid November when all of the fentenol had to be cleared off the shelf. It just so happens that fentenol is what they used to keep me under. If a drug is associated with 3 deaths, it is the bigg pharma's requirement to have all hospitals to destroy that batch. For three days they had me on a drip of Oxycontin. being in a coma under the effects of this drug has the potential of fragmenting one's moral core, as I was told by my brother. I passed a test of moral and ethical cohesion, then he tested me on my capability to calculate from memory the needs of an electrical job. At the time I did not realize what he was up to, but that sneak ol' critter had tested me then told me what he had done. I laughed at what he had done.

Over time I had to be taughtt to walk again and my left arm was non functional. At forst the docs and nurses had missed a stroke, but it was the result of another injury. I had to have my arm "re-awakened" with a TENS unit. Lots of pain there. It left welts. But I knew what it was for and my ultimate goal.

My memory was shot, my Strength was just gone, my balance was shot and my memory was so gorram scrambled I was not sure of where to go much less which to start.I spent 3 weeks [url=http://healthsouthruskrehab.com/] in a rehab clinic[/url where I was treated for much of what I needed to start. Those were some more of my heroes.

Those 9 weeks were like the first steps of a baby to the journey that is ongoing.

There were many return trips for a recurring infection, were if I had ignored just one of those times, I would not be here today to tell you of this.

Now it is late, I am hungry and my feet hurt from the 5 miles I walked to run my errands. But it is worth the pain as I got 4 gifts for Christmas taken care of. Now that I have a job, I get to give!

Peelee

2018-12-15, 02:28 PM

It was the worst pain I could ever imagine. I could not stand strait up, it was that bad.

When I was asked how high the pain level was on the scale of 1 to 10, I said 11 and not as a joke.

Hey, I had that before too! Id bet money it was something different, because when I had this back in high school, the nurse got the headmaster to take me to the hospital, where the ER doc identified the problem, sent me to another hospital, had me meet with another doc, bumped someone from their surgery so I could get in immediately, and fixed the issue, all within a couple hours. Very easy to diagnose, very easy to fix, very short timeline to get all that done.

HalfTangible

2018-12-15, 02:35 PM

Is it still a new thread smell at 10 posts?

... eh. It's a smell.

Anonymouswizard

2018-12-15, 02:53 PM

Peelee

2018-12-15, 03:00 PM

Neeeeew thread!

Now I have a question for the lot of you. Why is it that whenever I tell somebody I was with a lovely lady the other day they immediately assume I'm dating them? There's plenty of other things I could be doing with women!

You talk about women you're attracted to with relatively large frequency, so it's not a long jump to "spending time with a lovely lady? I wonder if it was a daaaaaaate!"

Also we're all apparently back in grade school.:smallwink:

Knaight

2018-12-15, 03:05 PM

Now, I mighta suggested that y'all would see an Ar-kansas accent outta me if y'all brought the southern. Ain't happening. Not now, not never.

Peelee

2018-12-15, 03:07 PM

Now, I mighta suggested that y'all would see an Ar-kansas accent outta me if y'all brought the southern. Ain't happening. Not now, not never.

Ya know, if you bring out that accent and then come by the church, there's some fried chicken and mac 'n cheese waitin' for ya.

HalfTangible

2018-12-15, 03:39 PM

Neeeeew thread!

Now I have a question for the lot of you. Why is it that whenever I tell somebody I was with a lovely lady the other day they immediately assume I'm dating them? There's plenty of other things I could be doing with women!

Because humans work a lot on implication and suggestion rather than outright statement of fact. When you say "i was with a lovely lady" that implies you were with her because you like-like her, hence date. Otherwise you might say "I was with a friend the other day"

Florian

2018-12-15, 03:54 PM

Aren't puns common in German, or do you just feel you don't have the English vocabulary to get into English puns?

Ok, that is a bit hard to explain. It´s a language barrier thing. My spoken english is quite passable, but when I read english texts, my understanding of the sounds of the letters and pronunciation of the words is fully informed by my native language. That has the side effect to make jokes based on homophones often fail for me, as the words simply sound quite different to me. For example, when speaking, I automatically pronounce the words in regular Oxford English, when reading, I mentally "pronounce" the words in German.

Some less human-positive reasons are indoors work and modern lighting disconnecting us from the regular day/night cycle, and societal expectations causing us to feel the need to be more alert in the evening.

You can also add to that the side effects of most televisions and other devices with a screen. They are generally synched to the blue color spectrum, which triggers the same reaction as daylight and will keep us awake. Broadly speaking, it´s not the best idea to watch television or fool around with a laptop when trying to fall asleep, unless you have installed some kind of app that can switch the screen to the red spectrum.

Peelee

2018-12-15, 04:02 PM

Ok, that is a bit hard to explain. It´s a language barrier thing. My spoken english is quite passable, but when I read english texts, my understanding of the sounds of the letters and pronunciation of the words is fully informed by my native language. That has the side effect to make jokes based on homophones often fail for me, as the words simply sound quite different to me. For example, when speaking, I automatically pronounce the words in regular Oxford English, when reading, I mentally "pronounce" the words in German.

Are homonym puns better?

Florian

2018-12-15, 04:30 PM

Now I have a question for the lot of you. Why is it that whenever I tell somebody I was with a lovely lady the other day they immediately assume I'm dating them? There's plenty of other things I could be doing with women!

Dunno, might be a cultural thing and actually quite an interesting topic by itself. I noticed that in some cultures, forms of communication rather take the indirect route by implying a lot of things, instead of speaking them out straight

Anonymouswizard

2018-12-15, 04:40 PM

You talk about women you're attracted to with relatively large frequency, so it's not a long jump to "spending time with a lovely lady? I wonder if it was a daaaaaaate!"

Also we're all apparently back in grade school.:smallwink:

That's.... actually a good point. To be fair at least one of the people who said it knows I fancy her, so for them it's a perfectly plausible leap to check.

Also, I don't want to go back to primary school. None of the teachers could understand how I interpreted texts!

Because humans work a lot on implication and suggestion rather than outright statement of fact. When you say "i was with a lovely lady" that implies you were with her because you like-like her, hence date. Otherwise you might say "I was with a friend the other day"

Bah! I say such stuff all the time! Aren't I allowed to describe people as lovely anymore? Bad for the waistline, but lovely.

(In all seriousness, yeah, I get what you mean. I have a tendency to be complimentary when I talk about somebody I like, even when I don't like-like them, so I can see the confusion.)

Dunno, might be a cultural thing and actually quite an interesting topic by itself. I noticed that in some cultures, forms of communication rather take the indirect route by implying a lot of things, instead of speaking them out straight

Yep, I think maybe spending yesterday with a couple of Russians kicked me into thinking a bit more direct (kind of have to be for everything to be clear).

Peelee

2018-12-15, 04:52 PM

I have a tendency to be complimentary when I talk about somebody I like, even when I don't like-like them, so I can see the confusion.

Huh. That's odd, I don't recall you ever tossing out compliments about me eveOH I SEE HOW IT IS.

Anonymouswizard

2018-12-15, 05:19 PM

Huh. That's odd, I don't recall you ever tossing out compliments about me eveOH I SEE HOW IT IS.

Well you don't see me talking about you to other people do you :smalltongue:

In all seriousness, I have this strange tendency that when I like somebody I'll be really complimentary behind their back, but insult them to their face. The only person who is isn't true with is a friend who already has enough self esteem issues.

Dimonite

2018-12-15, 05:34 PM

Ooooh, shiny new thread!

In all seriousness, I have this strange tendency that when I like somebody I'll be really complimentary behind their back, but insult them to their face. The only person who is isn't true with is a friend who already has enough self esteem issues.

I don't think that's particularly strange. Good friend + unserious insult = funny times!

SZbNAhL

2018-12-15, 06:00 PM

Nothing like a new thread in the morning*. You can tell it's Peelee made it because the title contains culinary referencec I had to look up. And also because his name's in the title. And because he made the first post.

*I mean, it's morning somewhere, right?

Rockphed

2018-12-15, 09:00 PM

Well, my plan to stay up for 12 hours crashed and burned about 9 this morning. I finally woke up about an hour ago. Now I am trying to decide between staying up until what I want to do tomorrow (from noon to 3), or trying to go to sleep at 2 (in about 5 hours). Maybe I will get some work done between now and then.

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-15, 09:03 PM

Hey, I had that before too! Id bet money it was something different, because when I had this back in high school, the nurse got the headmaster to take me to the hospital, where the ER doc identified the problem, sent me to another hospital, had me meet with another doc, bumped someone from their surgery so I could get in immediately, and fixed the issue, all within a couple hours. Very easy to diagnose, very easy to fix, very short timeline to get all that done.
any kind of intestinal "mishap" such as, but not limited to, Sharp force trauma, GSW, diverticulitis or appendicitis
absolutely, positively needs
let me emphasize
ABSOLUTELY NEEDS
to be treated within 30 minutes for the best chance of survival

After the initial event, a victim has a 40% chance of survival, this drops by 6% every hour. The base number of 60% is only 30% for diabetics.

Septic shock is not something to be lackadaisical about!!!

This is scary stuff here. I hope it is understood by all about how serious I am here.

Durkoala

2018-12-15, 09:14 PM

In all seriousness, I have this strange tendency that when I like somebody I'll be really complimentary behind their back, but insult them to their face. The only person who is isn't true with is a friend who already has enough self esteem issues.

Snap! Except for the complimentary part unless I'm directly asked about them.

I'm always unsure if it's something I should try to change, as a lot of people don't seem to get my sense of humour at the best of times, but on the other hand it's exactly what's expected from somebody of my heritage and nobody's actually complained, so idk...

Tvtyrant

2018-12-15, 09:16 PM

Kyrell1978

2018-12-15, 09:41 PM

We goin' ta keep dis year suthern thang goin' fer the whole thred? i tell you what.

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-15, 10:15 PM

Oh man, that is awful. I'm so sorry you had to go through that.as awful as it was, I really needed that wakeup call.

Peelee

2018-12-15, 10:28 PM

Nothing like a new thread in the morning*. You can tell it's Peelee made it because the title contains culinary referencec I had to look up.
Chivkem fried steak is somewhat akin to an American version of wienerschnitzel. Cheaper, but still tasty. Good Southern food. Plus, it gave way to the dumbest name for a tasty dish, chicken fried chicken.

any kind of intestinal "mishap" such as, but not limited to, Sharp force trauma, GSW, diverticulitis or appendicitis
absolutely, positively needs
let me emphasize
ABSOLUTELY NEEDS
to be treated within 30 minutes for the best chance of survival

After the initial event, a victim has a 40% chance of survival, this drops by 6% every hour. The base number of 60% is only 30% for diabetics.

Septic shock is not something to be lackadaisical about!!!

This is scary stuff here. I hope it is understood by all about how serious I am here.
Not intestinal stuff, nor at risk of death. Still not something to be lackadaisical about, let me tell you. IIRC, I had a 5 hour window. And that's all I'm going to say about that, no more hints because I don't actually want it to be known.

ETA: on the other end of the spectrum, I have diverticulitis (well, currently diverticulosis. Stupid difference), and I don't think that should be on that list.

We goin' ta keep dis year suthern thang goin' fer the whole thred? i tell you what.

It'll be a cold day in hell before I recognize Missurah!

Tvtyrant

2018-12-15, 10:28 PM

as awful as it was, I really needed that wakeup call.

I'm certainly glad you are taking the positive approach to it. I know I went through some depression when I got blinded for a month and that wasn't nearly as bad.

DataNinja

2018-12-15, 10:45 PM

We goin' ta keep dis year suthern thang goin' fer the whole thred? i tell you what.
No, I don't imagine we are. Especially those of us not from the American South, like me, who wouldn't even know where to start. :smalltongue:

(Technically, I suppose I'm from the Canadian South. Then again... well, most of us in this country are. :smallamused:)

LaZodiac

2018-12-15, 10:45 PM

You talk about women you're attracted to with relatively large frequency, so it's not a long jump to "spending time with a lovely lady? I wonder if it was a daaaaaaate!"

Also we're all apparently back in grade school.:smallwink:

Highschool never ends. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKOaPHcMj7g)

Also every time DataNinja changes their face it progressively gets more and more cool.

Bartmanhomer

2018-12-15, 11:01 PM

Wow. We already up to the second page. This thread is going by fast.

DataNinja

2018-12-15, 11:02 PM

Also every time DataNinja changes their face it progressively gets more and more cool.

Thank you. :smallredface:
(Normally I stick with them a little bit longer, but, I got this one for my birthday. And I really like it. So, I'll probably be keeping it for a good long while.)

Peelee

2018-12-15, 11:35 PM

Thank you. :smallredface:
(Normally I stick with them a little bit longer, but, I got this one for my birthday. And I really like it. So, I'll probably be keeping it for a good long while.)

Happy birthday!

LaZodiac

2018-12-15, 11:38 PM

DataNinja

2018-12-15, 11:48 PM

Happy birthday!

Ah, happy birthday DataNinja!

Many thanks. Though, this isn't the birthday thread, so, probably don't want to clutter this place up with messages to that regard under risk of being whacked with a mod's virtual newspaper. :smalltongue:

(I do appreciate it all, though. Given that it turns out that, whoops, there was actually no family dinner tonight, and evetryone's just coming over for Christmas instead. And there was in fact no dinner at all. Dad and step-mom just had leftovers from their lunch, which left me having to walk out 20 minutes to the nearest fast food place to grab some dinner. Thankfully I wasn't all that hungry. Happy birthday to me, I guess. :smalltongue: )

2D8HP

2018-12-16, 12:46 AM

Thread Creator must also be the smartest and best-lookin' guy in the South

Well we got lucky then, and he's so amazingly humble and likes cats as well!

But why do I have a sudden craving for collard greens, corn bread, and pulled pork?

Anyway, here's the best song that I know that mentions Alabama. ..
....no not that one! I said best!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gYTFIkZVEyg

Well, I can certainly say that that's a unique take on the rules. I see you followed through on what you said you'd do, at least. :smallamused:
(I imagine the next person's probably gonna want to go through and get the rules from a thread or two ago, though. For comprehension's sake. :smalltongue: )

Seemed more compre-whatsit to me!

We goin' ta keep dis year suthern thang goin' fer the whole thred? i tell you what.

Southern?

Only!

For the whole thread?

While they're fine folks I think some should post besides those southerners Anonymouswizard and DataNinja.

Anonymouswizard

2018-12-16, 05:00 AM

Happy Birthday DaraNinja! And a Happy Unbirthday to everybody else!

While they're fine folks I think some should post besides those southerners Anonymouswizard and DataNinja.

Just so you know, I'm now imagining you going around your day with a Yorkshire accent and confusing everybody

Cuthalion

2018-12-16, 11:09 AM

Peelee, thank you. This is good. The world needs more of this. :smallamused:

Even if it did make me want fried chicken right after I got up in the morning.

Comrade

2018-12-16, 12:55 PM

It'll be a cold day in hell before I recognize Missurah!
Hey, Missouri became Southern the day it joined the SEC. That's just facts.

Even if it did make me want fried chicken right after I got up in the morning.

Man, I just got up and now I want fried chicken.

Kyrell1978

2018-12-16, 02:11 PM

Hey, Missouri became Southern the day it joined the SEC. That's just facts.

SHHHoooooooot, Naw! He's right though, Missouri is really mid-western but it's just far enough south (especially near the Ozarks) to share a bit of the culture. The whole state is kind of a hodge podge of the cultures that surround it. That being said, there are really people who live like two blocks away from me that sound just about like that first post I wrote and we are pretty centrally located. It is a rural are though, so there is that.

Peelee

2018-12-16, 02:17 PM

Peelee, thank you. This is good. The world needs more of this. :smallamused:

Even if it did make me want fried chicken right after I got up in the morning.

Man, I just got up and now I want fried chicken.

Wait y'all don't have fried chicken in the morning? Not even chicken fried chicken?

Bartmanhomer

2018-12-16, 02:34 PM

Good old Peelee Fried Chicken. I just ate one this morning. :smile:

2D8HP

2018-12-16, 02:50 PM

...Just so you know, I'm now imagining you going around your day with a Yorkshire accent and confusing everybody

Done and done!

*ahem*

The mill's closed. There's no more work. We're destitute. I've got no option but to sell you all for scientific experiments....

How's that?

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-16, 04:00 PM

Ok, in regards to Missouri, I went to and graduated from Salem High School.It is in the heart of the Missouri Ozarks. My Mother lived there as a child at the county poor farm in the 50's[we was raised poor and all]. Grams and gramps [They have gone on nowa days and I really miss them] and my mother's sister all had a southern accent - hillbilly style, I'm tellen ya - and they lived and sounded more southern then the folk in Biloxi Mississippi when I was at Keesler Air Force Base near by.

I was born in a little town called Los Angles. I ain't got no accent. but boy howdee them fold in Salem shore did.

Kyrell1978

2018-12-16, 04:18 PM

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-16, 04:57 PM

Do you remember a river called Current River?

Kyrell1978

2018-12-16, 05:04 PM

Do you remember a river called Current River?

I've floated the Current about a dozen times (usually around Jack's Fork or Jack's Point or whatever that's called). It was a favorite of my scout troop when I was a kid, but I've also gone with friends and family over the years. Edit: I just looked up how to get there and the map quest puts it right through Salem, but for some reason I think we used to take 13 down to 60 East and go at it that way. I'm not positive though, it was around 20 years ago the last time I went.

Peelee

2018-12-16, 05:18 PM

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-16, 05:55 PM

I've floated the Current about a dozen times (usually around Jack's Fork or Jack's Point or whatever that's called). It was a favorite of my scout troop when I was a kid, but I've also gone with friends and family over the years. That would be Jack's fork. gramms and gramps talked about that area as well as emminence Misssouri, Which I consider Round Spring as part of that town. My Grandpa would work that area during the great depreswsion on the FDR WPA programs. He always talked about [and I kid you not] the only legal still in missouri being there and the corn whiskey would 'evaporate' .

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-16, 06:17 PM

By the way, Peelee, is grits, sausage B and G and chicken for breakfast southern 'nuff fer ya, sonny?

Peelee

2018-12-16, 06:19 PM

By the way, Peelee, is grits, sausage B and G and chicken for breakfast southern 'nuff fer ya, sonny?

You lost me at grits. I don't care, thems nasty.

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-16, 06:51 PM

You lost me at grits. I don't care, thems nasty.You ain't Southern! IMPOSTER!!!

Peelee

2018-12-16, 07:20 PM

You ain't Souther! IMPOSTER!!!

You, sir, have insulted my honah! I demand satisfaction. Sawed-off shotguns at dawn!

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-16, 07:37 PM

You, sir, have insulted my honah! I demand satisfaction. Sawed-off shotguns at dawn!

fuhst of ah, You make the challenge, I ek-cept the challenge, you dee-clair the time, I the weapon and then you the place

Second of ah, you suh are my inferior and accordin to the 39 articals, i do not recognize you challenge

And thirdly, if I did acknowledge this attempt at a challenge, it will be with Sabers as guns are just too impersonal. An In-no-cent bysander jus might catch the slug, you see?

on an aside, this jus tickled me!

https://youtu.be/tTSuB6mgjH4

Peelee

2018-12-16, 08:37 PM

fuhst of ah, You make the challenge, I ek-cept the challenge, you dee-clair the time, I the weapon and then you the place

Second of ah, you suh are my inferior and accordin to the 39 articals, i do not recognize you challenge

And thirdly, if I did acknowledge this attempt at a challenge, it will be with Sabers as guns are just too impersonal. An In-no-cent bysander jus might catch the slug, you see?

on an aside, this jus tickled me!

I'd reckon my family holdings outweigh yours, and do not believe your claim as to be above me! Though if you do not hit the range as often as most and are afraid of stray shots, I will accept your cowardice and withdraw the challenge.

Also, fun fact: none of these are as dumb as Arab, since they all managed to spell them correctly to the government:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=D7v8Vq3xuwc

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-16, 08:52 PM

So, family holdings being insufficient, eh? How many aircraft does your family own? what about rental properties?

Peelee

2018-12-16, 11:16 PM

So, family holdings being insufficient, eh? How many aircraft does your family own? what about rental properties?

No aircraft, which is why we still have so much. :smalltongue:

Kyrell1978

2018-12-16, 11:18 PM

So, family holdings being insufficient, eh? How many aircraft does your family own? what about rental properties?

Oooooh oooooh, I could get in on this rental property one, no airplanes though. :smallbiggrin:

Peelee

2018-12-16, 11:28 PM

Oooooh oooooh, I could get in on this rental property one, no airplanes though. :smallbiggrin:

So what I'm hearing is you, Insane Jeenyus, and I should all intermarry to forge an alliance and seize absolute control of the South.

Kyrell1978

2018-12-17, 12:00 AM

So what I'm hearing is you, Insane Jeenyus, and I should all intermarry to forge an alliance and seize absolute control of the South.

Okay, I guess. We certainly need to find someone with boats. Shouldn't be hard around here.

Peelee

2018-12-17, 12:06 AM

Okay, I guess. We certainly need to find someone with boats. Shouldn't be hard around here.

Fun fact: there are more planes in the ocean than submarines in the sky.

the_brazenburn

2018-12-17, 09:38 AM

Peelee

2018-12-17, 09:44 AM

the_brazenburn

2018-12-17, 09:45 AM

Eh, "ruined." If she felt that strongly about it, would you really have been happy continuing a deeper relationship with her?

I was being facetious. It's no big deal to me, I was just trying to tell a mildly amusing case of mistaken identity.

Peelee

2018-12-17, 09:49 AM

I was being facetious. It's no big deal to me, I was just trying to tell a mildly amusing case of mistaken identity.

I enjoyed it. Also, soft g, obviously.

halfeye

2018-12-17, 09:57 AM

Fun fact: there are more planes in the ocean than submarines in the sky.

There are probably more planes than submarines in the ocean.

Peelee

2018-12-17, 10:03 AM

There are probably more planes than submarines in the ocean.

Probably holds true for on the ground as well. Now i kinda feel bad for subs.

Kyrell1978

2018-12-17, 10:15 AM

Probably holds true for on the ground as well. Now i kinda feel bad for subs.

Personally, I'd feel bad for the planes since they had to you know...crash to get there.

Peelee

2018-12-17, 10:38 AM

Personally, I'd feel bad for the planes since they had to you know...crash to get there.

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9IgHCTfp8CRshfQk/giphy.gif

Anonymouswizard

2018-12-17, 11:01 AM

Here is the story of how Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes ruined my love life.

For those who don't know, Mordy's was a D&D 5e sourcebook that came out last May. It included a creature called the Giff, which is sort of hippoesque Renaissance soldier.

I was on a date, and my "other" got a text from a friend with a funny moving picture (aka GIF) attached. Without showing me the picture, she mused: "Is it pronounced gif, or jif?" Without thinking, I immediately responded with some nonsense about "Oh, I didn't know you played D&D." Getting me a strange look.

Suffice it to say that we are no longer dating.

That's amusing.

On a related note, I spent Friday with my crushes, and one of the things we talked about were our worst campaigns. It took a lot of explaining as to how I got singled out for the nerfs in one campaign because my character concept, which the GM okayed, would have been too efficient at finding things out, but that was nothing to the story where their characters apparently left all their equipment on the cart while they slept, (now things like armour I can understand, but they were told they'd even left their sidearms there).

Suffice it to say that we are not dating, they just don't like me in that way.

Peelee

2018-12-17, 11:05 AM

Awww. The crush is dead. Long live the crush?

Anonymouswizard

2018-12-17, 11:15 AM

Awww. The crush is dead. Long live the crush?

The cursh is not dead, the one I'm closer to is demi and acting suspicious, to the point where I'm not ruling anything out. Plus I've been corrected whenever I've mentioned that I'm not supposed to ask them out (so like twice), it's 'I'm not supposed to ask them out anytime soon'.

In related news, one of them shared their deep dark secret with me. Anonymouswizard was unimpressed, but got why it was so important to them.

Mith

2018-12-17, 11:41 AM

Done and done!

*ahem*

The mill's closed. There's no more work. We're destitute. I've got no option but to sell you all for scientific experiments....

How's that?

Don't worry 2DHP, I appreciated your joke.

Comrade

2018-12-17, 12:21 PM

The cursh is not dead, the one I'm closer to is demi and acting suspicious, to the point where I'm not ruling anything out. Plus I've been corrected whenever I've mentioned that I'm not supposed to ask them out (so like twice), it's 'I'm not supposed to ask them out anytime soon'.

In related news, one of them shared their deep dark secret with me. Anonymouswizard was unimpressed, but got why it was so important to them.

Reading these posts from time to time makes me feel like I've just jumped into the middle of a long-running television series with no clue about where the plot is, who the characters are, or what's happened.

SZbNAhL

2018-12-17, 03:57 PM

Reading these posts from time to time makes me feel like I've just jumped into the middle of a long-running television series with no clue about where the plot is, who the characters are, or what's happened.

Executive summary: Annonymouswizard used to have a crush on a nurse he worked with, when he eventually asked her out she turned out to be spoken for. By then his crushes had become a popular topic of conversation, so he also brought up his new crush(es), a pair of bisexual polyamorous Russian women. They're not interested right now but have implied that they may be at a later date. For now they're friends.

Peelee

2018-12-17, 04:04 PM

It's a fantastic series. 5 stars, would watch again.

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-17, 06:10 PM

Reading these posts from time to time makes me feel like I've just jumped into the middle of a long-running television series with no clue about where the plot is, who the characters are, or what's happened.plot? what is a plot? do we need a plot for the show?

Don't worry 2DHP, I appreciated your joke.As do I!

Personally, I'd feel bad for the planes since they had to you know...crash to get there. do we get to include planes with pontoons for landing on water?

Probably holds true for on the ground as well. Now i kinda feel bad for subs.
Are you kidding?? have you never been to a land based sub shop???

Okay, I guess. We certainly need to find someone with boats. Shouldn't be hard around here.

So what I'm hearing is you, Insane Jeenyus, and I should all intermarry to forge an alliance and seize absolute control of the South.Uh, I am gender biased about marriage, and have my preferences.

Anonymouswizard

2018-12-17, 06:51 PM

Executive summary: Annonymouswizard used to have a crush on a nurse he worked with, when he eventually asked her out she turned out to be spoken for. By then his crushes had become a popular topic of conversation, so he also brought up his new crush(es), a pair of bisexual polyamorous Russian women. They're not interested right now but have implied that they may be at a later date. For now they're friends.

Well that's a better summary than I'd have been able to give.

Did I mention that one of them is helping me learn Russian? She's awesome, and I'm hoping that she manages to get one of her stories published soonish (at least compared to my stories, I've got to get back to the one I'm working on).

It's a fantastic series. 5 stars, would watch again.

Really? I thought the main character was dull and uninteresting myself.

(In all honesty, this thread isn't getting anywhere near all the highlights, it's a lot less interesting if you're one of my RL friends, who are even in danger of getting summaries of Zombicide games.)

Peelee

2018-12-17, 07:42 PM

Uh, I am gender biased about marriage, and have my preferences.

Same, and am already married ; this would be mostly political to consolidate power.

Anonymouswizard

2018-12-17, 07:45 PM

Same, and am already married ; this would be mostly political to consolidate power.

Ah, so you're marrying of your kids? A worthy move approved by the upper crust of Europe, we'll make a country out of you yet,!

DataNinja

2018-12-17, 07:59 PM

Same, and am already married ; this would be mostly political to consolidate power.
Oh, I see how it is. So you can have two Random Banter threads within the 50 thread limit. Tsk. This is an outrage. :smallamused:

(I do find it funny describing lives and whatnot in terms of TV shows. I don't know why. It just tends to make things more humorous, at least to me.)

Rockphed

2018-12-17, 07:59 PM

Uh, I am gender biased about marriage, and have my preferences.

Same, and am already married ; this would be mostly political to consolidate power.

I believe the idea was to intertwine your dynasties such that a future heir would be the kweisatz haderach of southern power, heir to all the planes, trains, boats, and rental properties you could shake a stick at.

Ah, so you're marrying of your kids? A worthy move approved by the upper crust of Europe, we'll make a country out of you yet,!

American's were engaging in political marriage about 15 minutes after they got off the Mayflower. I know they had lawyers within 6 months. You would not believe the things they sued over. Well, you probably would since they read like a schedule of Maury or Oprah, if Maury and Oprah were obsessed with sheep, pigs, and sundry ruminants.

HalfTangible

2018-12-17, 08:11 PM

You would not believe the things they sued over.

In New York city a few years back, a drycleaner lost a man's pants. The man sued the dry cleaner for several MILLION dollars for losing a single pair of pants. (he lost, just so we're clear, but still; it made it to a judge in the first place)

Try me.

Rockphed

2018-12-17, 08:30 PM

In New York city a few years back, a drycleaner lost a man's pants. The man sued the dry cleaner for several MILLION dollars for losing a single pair of pants. (he lost, just so we're clear, but still; it made it to a judge in the first place)

Try me.

I don't remember any off the top of my head, but in a quick search I found a couple who were ordered to stand in the stocks due to their anticipation of their marriage, which isn't that weird considering the society in question. The weird thing is that the husband was ordered to build the stocks for this purpose. So every young couple that got caught in Duxborough got to wear the Francis and Margery West stocks.

Peelee

2018-12-17, 09:37 PM

I believe the idea was to intertwine your dynasties such that a future heir would be the kweisatz haderach of southern power, heir to all the planes, trains, boats, and rental properties you could shake a stick at.
So close to a Steve Martin/John Candy gem...

In New York city a few years back, a drycleaner lost a man's pants. The man sued the dry cleaner for several MILLION dollars for losing a single pair of pants. (he lost, just so we're clear, but still; it made it to a judge in the first place)

Try me.
In the US you can sue for anything. Literally anything. What you'll win and what the damages are are what gets decided, but you can sure as hell sue for anything.

You can also get laughed in your face by lawyers and piss the judge right off, though. Checks and balances!

I don't remember any off the top of my head, but in a quick search I found a couple who were ordered to stand in the stocks due to their anticipation of their marriage, which isn't that weird considering the society in question. The weird thing is that the husband was ordered to build the stocks for this purpose. So every young couple that got caught in Duxborough got to wear the Francis and Margery West stocks.

Duxborough? I assume that's pronounced "Ducksberg," and this was before the Money Bin.

HalfTangible

2018-12-17, 09:45 PM

In the US you can sue for anything. Literally anything. What you'll win and what the damages are are what gets decided, but you can sure as hell sue for anything.

You can also get laughed in your face by lawyers and piss the judge right off, though. Checks and balances!

I know. That's (part of) why I said 'try me' (ie asked for specific examples): because I doubted anything would surprise me :smalltongue:

Jasdoif

2018-12-17, 09:56 PM

Peelee

2018-12-17, 09:59 PM

I know. That's (part of) why I said 'try me' (ie asked for specific examples): because I doubted anything would surprise me :smalltongue:

Doubt it'll surprise you, but others maybe...

One of the rare non-tabloid fakes where a man sued himself (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/11847551/ns/us_news-weird_news/t/man-sues-himself-vehicle-damage/) in a somewhat reasonable but weird situation.

Kyrell1978

2018-12-17, 10:24 PM

Same, and am already married ; this would be mostly political to consolidate power.

Yeah, both of these as well. Damn world domination was so close.

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-18, 06:16 AM

Well that's a better summary than I'd have been able to give.

Did I mention that one of them is helping me learn Russian? Ya na negev paruski

@Peelee, do you have any daughters of age? somehow I am betting on the answer of no. A noece would do .. .. ..

[SM seeking SF who is interested in relationship with 50 + year old .. .. ..]

Ah! the ban hammer! RUN!

Kyrell1978

2018-12-18, 07:45 AM

Ya na negev paruski

@Peelee, do you have any daughters of age? somehow I am betting on the answer of no. A noece would do .. .. ..

[SM seeking SFwho is interested in relationship in 50 + year old .. .. ..]

Ah! the ban hammer! RUN!

I have a son of age, and depending on what time periods standards of "of age" we are using I could add a few more kiddos. Probably best to wait about 5 years though with those pesky laws and stuff before I marry off my daughter.

the_brazenburn

2018-12-18, 07:53 AM

So what I'm hearing is you, Insane Jeenyus, and I should all intermarry to forge an alliance and seize absolute control of the South.

If you do, and my scheme to take over New England with an army of Irish dockworkers (I'm Irish, I can say that without being racist) and coyotes works out, we should team up and conquer the Mid-Atlantic region.

Peelee

2018-12-18, 10:21 AM

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-18, 06:25 PM

[SM seeking SF who is interested in relationship with 50 + year old .. .. ..]

Ah! the ban hammer! RUN!

I have a son of age, .. .. .. ..sm = single male; sf = single female, so I am male looking for a female. I know this is not a dating thread, so I would like to stop my jest on this matter, I fear the ban hammer.
peelee, have you ever played the Chinese game, "Go"?

Peelee

2018-12-18, 06:27 PM

Peelee, have you ever played the Chinese game, "Go"?

I have. Terrible at it. I prefer chess.

Bartmanhomer

2018-12-18, 06:37 PM

I have. Terrible at it. I prefer chess.

I'm playing chess at Myth-Weavers and I'm going to be checkmated. :tongue:

Anonymouswizard

2018-12-18, 06:42 PM

I have. Terrible at it. I prefer chess.

Personally I'm terrible at chess, my pieces never trust me :smallbiggrin:

In an unrelated note, I told my crush that they shouldn't expect any Christmas presents from me, so now of course I feel obligated to get them one. Mainly because they have my address and I'm worried about what one of them might send me via Amazon...

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-18, 07:15 PM

I'm playing chess at Myth-Weavers and I'm going to be checkmated. :tongue:

I do mot play chess there, but I am Tetsubo_2017 on MW

Caerulea

2018-12-18, 07:49 PM

Hello y'all,

I am just stopping by to alert Peelee that there is a typo in the first post. In rule five it states " This is Random Banter, not the cardboard sign in your yard sayin' your outta jail" when it should read " This is Random Banter, not the cardboard sign in your yard sayin' you're outta jail." Ya half to watch out fer dem yours and you'res. (Unless you meant that the sign was proclaiming that the owner possessed an outta jail.)

One of the rare non-tabloid fakes where a man sued himself (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/11847551/ns/us_news-weird_news/t/man-sues-himself-vehicle-damage/) in a somewhat reasonable but weird situation.
That is hilarious. So is the wife's response to the interviewer.

2D8HP

2018-12-18, 08:07 PM

Don't worry 2DHP, I appreciated your joke.

At least one person appreciates the classics (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?576433-Monty-Python-Discussion-Thread), I'll stop quoting and misusing Python when I'm in the cold, hard ground!

Mith

2018-12-18, 08:28 PM

At least one person appreciates the classics (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?576433-Monty-Python-Discussion-Thread), I'll stop quoting and misusing Python when I'm in the cold, hard ground!

The point about "Why hasn't this [Monty Python] thread not been done before?" on this forum is a valid point.

LaZodiac

2018-12-18, 08:49 PM

Here is the story of how Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes ruined my love life.

For those who don't know, Mordy's was a D&D 5e sourcebook that came out last May. It included a creature called the Giff, which is sort of hippoesque Renaissance soldier.

I was on a date, and my "other" got a text from a friend with a funny moving picture (aka GIF) attached. Without showing me the picture, she mused: "Is it pronounced gif, or jif?" Without thinking, I immediately responded with some nonsense about "Oh, I didn't know you played D&D." Getting me a strange look.

Suffice it to say that we are no longer dating.

I do not get this please explain. I am an robot.

In New York city a few years back, a drycleaner lost a man's pants. The man sued the dry cleaner for several MILLION dollars for losing a single pair of pants. (he lost, just so we're clear, but still; it made it to a judge in the first place)

Try me.

All cases reach a judge that get brought up. Regardless of how frivolous (like this case) or UN-frivolous. Source: work at a law office.

Fun fact, once this case actually started rolling they pivoted to the fact that "his sign says Satisfaction Guaranteed and thus I am not satisfied". It seems like a cool ass case to read through, and a lot of people helped support the accused with donations to their defense due to it being a small Korean family who wanted to move back home.

My favorite aspect of this case is that Pearson, the defendent, was a judge! He really should have known better.

Tvtyrant

2018-12-18, 09:36 PM

I do not get this please explain. I am an robot.

He made a D&D joke to her, and she not being involved in D&D became aware he was into D&D which has a lingering social stigma.

LaZodiac

2018-12-18, 09:43 PM

He made a D&D joke to her, and she not being involved in D&D became aware he was into D&D which has a lingering social stigma.

Congrats you explained the part I understood.

That was harsh of me. I understood that that was the idea, but I didn't get the actual JOKE, which I wanted to be explained please.

Tvtyrant

2018-12-18, 09:49 PM

Congrats you explained the part I understood.

That was harsh of me. I understood that that was the idea, but I didn't get the actual JOKE, which I wanted to be explained please.

Either she was so shallow she dumped him over knowing about D&D, or he was so shallow he dumped her for not knowing about D&D. The humor comes from dramatic overreaction, like divorcing over which color the blinds should be.

Knaight

2018-12-18, 11:21 PM

Either she was so shallow she dumped him over knowing about D&D, or he was so shallow he dumped her for not knowing about D&D. The humor comes from dramatic overreaction, like divorcing over which color the blinds should be.

Alternately this was a first date, they're routinely super provisional by nature, and the "shallowness" involved in not going forward is pretty minimal, in this case likely being based on someone seeming kind of spacey and out of it when making a bizarre non sequitur.

Peelee

2018-12-18, 11:24 PM

Hello y'all,

I am just stopping by to alert Peelee that there is a typo in the first post.

Lies and falsehoods. Please see the "fifth time in third grade" clause.

That is hilarious. So is the wife's response to the interviewer.

She brings up a good legal point (the same point her husband had when he sued); if a city truck hit your car, you would likely want the city to fix it. That the car owner happened to be the driver shouldn't change that, it just makes the situation ridiculous.

Whether the city would, regardless of circumstances, is unknown to me.

SZbNAhL

2018-12-18, 11:40 PM

Tvtyrant

2018-12-18, 11:43 PM

Alternately this was a first date, they're routinely super provisional by nature, and the "shallowness" involved in not going forward is pretty minimal, in this case likely being based on someone seeming kind of spacey and out of it when making a bizarre non sequitur.

That seems less humorous overall though. It seemed analagous to the "she doesn't eat bacon" style joke to me, but I could be mistaken.

Peelee

2018-12-19, 12:06 AM

The correct response is of course "Terribly sorry about that, sir. We'll reimburse you at once out of the salary of the driver involved, who we will also be sacking effective immediately due to his extreme negligence".

Of course, taking payment from the driver without the driver's consent being illegal and all (and consent unlikely to be given if he's being sacked anyway, which itself may or may not be so easy), they'd probably respond with "eh, that's why we have insurance, " and then let the insurance lawyers deal with it.

LaZodiac

2018-12-19, 12:23 AM

Either she was so shallow she dumped him over knowing about D&D, or he was so shallow he dumped her for not knowing about D&D. The humor comes from dramatic overreaction, like divorcing over which color the blinds should be.

That is the exact same thing as you just explained previously.

What I mean is: Without showing me the picture, she mused: "Is it pronounced gif, or jif?" Without thinking, I immediately responded with some nonsense about "Oh, I didn't know you played D&D." Getting me a strange look.

What does this mean???

Peelee

2018-12-19, 12:38 AM

That is the exact same thing as you just explained previously.

What I mean is: Without showing me the picture, she mused: "Is it pronounced gif, or jif?" Without thinking, I immediately responded with some nonsense about "Oh, I didn't know you played D&D." Getting me a strange look.

What does this mean???
The bolded portions are related.

For those who don't know, Mordy's was a D&D 5e sourcebook that came out last May. It included a creature called the Giff, which is sort of hippoesque Renaissance soldier.

I was on a date, and my "other" got a text from a friend with a funny moving picture (aka GIF) attached. Without showing me the picture, she mused: "Is it pronounced gif, or jif?" Without thinking, I immediately responded with some nonsense about "Oh, I didn't know you played D&D." Getting me a strange look.

Suffice it to say that we are no longer dating.

2D8HP

2018-12-19, 12:52 AM

...What does this mean???

It means :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NAxzyv-ephY

Tvtyrant

2018-12-19, 01:38 AM

Algeh

2018-12-19, 01:53 AM

American's were engaging in political marriage about 15 minutes after they got off the Mayflower. I know they had lawyers within 6 months.

While presumably not the intent of the poster, there are multiple entertaining ways to interpret this juxtaposition....

ION, I am so over this month and am ready for January, or, better yet, July.

To make a long story short, my divorced parents share a birthday, and it is tomorrow. There is another gift-giving occasion less than a week later, so I'm on an Exhausting Meaningful Gift Patrol for two adults who really don't need more stuff but yet need something to unwrap. (My dad told me Sunday evening that he'd like either electronic handwarmers or a Queen CD for his birthday. Did you know that no one sells CDs in normal stores anymore? I hadn't fully appreciated the degree to which this is true since I buy all of my CDs at conventions or concerts, but it is very true. Also, my quest for electronic handwarmers has met with bafflement at many kinds of stores. He's getting cloth napkins and new cutting boards.)

The last day of school before winter break is Friday. I'm giving all of my students math tests this week. We'll see how that goes...

Caerulea

2018-12-19, 07:07 AM

That is the exact same thing as you just explained previously.

What I mean is: Without showing me the picture, she mused: "Is it pronounced gif, or jif?" Without thinking, I immediately responded with some nonsense about "Oh, I didn't know you played D&D." Getting me a strange look.

What does this mean???
She, having just received a gif, asked a nearby person how it was pronounced. She likely asked with the pronunciation that matches the D&D character, Giff. Then, because the poster had been playing a game which included Giffs, he immediately thought of that. He then asked if the inquirer played D&D, because he assumed that she was asking about Giff, rather than the gif file extension. As "do you play d&d" was a non sequitur from "how is this file extension pronounced," she was confused and so looked at him weirdly.

SZbNAhL

2018-12-19, 07:14 AM

Bartmanhomer

2018-12-19, 07:52 AM

Well everyone this is my chess game that I face with another player at Myth-Weavers. I was black and I lost the game. So what do you think?

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. b3 Nf6
4. Nc3 Bd6
5. Bc4 0-0
6. Bb2 Na5
7. Be2 Nc6
8. d3 Nd4
9. a3 NxNf3+
10. BxNf3 a6
11. Qd2 Qe7
12. b4 c6
13. Ne2 b5
14. c4 bxc4
15. dxc4 Bc7
16. c5 d6
17. cxd6 Qxd6
18. Qxd6 Bxd6
19. Rd1 Bc7
20. 0-0 a5
21. Bc3 axb4
22. Bxb4 Rd8
23. Rxd8+ Bxd8
24. g3 h6
25. Bg2 Bc7
26. h4 Ba6
27. Re1 Ng4
28. Bh3 Nf6
29. Nc3 Rd8
30. Be7 Rd3
31. Bf1 Rxc3
32. Bxa6 Ng4
33. Bc8 Nxf2
34. Kxf2 Bb6+
35. Kg2 Rc2+
36. Kh3 c5
37. Bd6 f6
38. Be6+ Kh7
39. Rb1 Ba7
40. Rb7 Kg6
41. Bf5+ Kh5
42. g4++

LaZodiac

2018-12-19, 08:29 AM

The bolded portions are related.

wow how did I miss that. Now I feel dumb.

Not as dumb as the million people who explained it after you, but like...thanks still! That was really nice, I read the Tome of Foes and did not even remotely notice the space hippo colonial. What a strange thing, that is.

But yes, thank you.

Dimonite

2018-12-19, 09:45 AM

Well everyone this is my chess game that I face with another player at Myth-Weavers. I was black and I lost the game. So what do you think?

*numbers*

I think you were playing very evenly right up until 32-33, when you decided to be aggressive with your remaining knight and ended up trading it for a pawn. Then 36 & 37 were two rough pawn moves in a row. 36 (c5) blocked your bishop's diagonal, leaving it with only a weak move like a7 when the rook pressured it. Then 37 (f6) opened up your king to being attacked by that white-square bishop, which ultimately led to checkmate.

2D8HP

2018-12-19, 09:47 AM

...Not as dumb as the million people who explained it after you, but like....

If needlessly bloviating about Dungeons & Dragons is wrong, I don't want to be right!

Florian

2018-12-19, 09:59 AM

On a related note, I would like to thank the thread for introducing me to the Giff, who shall henceforth be shoehorned into all of my campaigns. Including the researched realistic historical ones. Especially those ones.

You never played the Wizardry series, I guess? The Umpani and their arch-nemesis, the spider-like T´Rang, battle across the galaxy and outposts of both races can be found nearly everywhere. Oh, the first time you get that Walri Blade or Blunderbuss..

Bartmanhomer

2018-12-19, 10:20 AM

I think you were playing very evenly right up until 32-33, when you decided to be aggressive with your remaining knight and ended up trading it for a pawn. Then 36 & 37 were two rough pawn moves in a row. 36 (c5) blocked your bishop's diagonal, leaving it with only a weak move like a7 when the rook pressured it. Then 37 (f6) opened up your king to being attacked by that white-square bishop, which ultimately led to checkmate.

Yeah I should have been a bit more methodical with my plan. But it was a good game. :smile:

SZbNAhL

2018-12-19, 11:57 AM

You never played the Wizardry series, I guess? The Umpani and their arch-nemesis, the spider-like T´Rang, battle across the galaxy and outposts of both races can be found nearly everywhere. Oh, the first time you get that Walri Blade or Blunderbuss..

In my defence, only one of the non-Japan-exclusive Wizardry games was published during my lifetime.

Teddy

2018-12-19, 12:33 PM

Many thanks. Though, this isn't the birthday thread, so, probably don't want to clutter this place up with messages to that regard under risk of being whacked with a mod's virtual newspaper. :smalltongue:

(I do appreciate it all, though. Given that it turns out that, whoops, there was actually no family dinner tonight, and evetryone's just coming over for Christmas instead. And there was in fact no dinner at all. Dad and step-mom just had leftovers from their lunch, which left me having to walk out 20 minutes to the nearest fast food place to grab some dinner. Thankfully I wasn't all that hungry. Happy birthday to me, I guess. :smalltongue: )

In the days of yore we used to create entire threads just to celebrate the birthdays of our friends, you're still deep within safe territory.

And on that note, belated happy birthday! http://i.imgur.com/haudcUB.png

ION:
My laptop fan is about to seize up, so the entire thing is vibrating and making a lot of noise. Sadly, I really doubt I can get a replacement before Christmas, when we're heading up to Ancestral Farm for the traditional Christmas celebrations with my cousins. Let's hope it'll survive at least another week, I've promised myself many hours of Stellaris during my holidays, and merely the thought of having to spend the entire holidays without a computer is somewhat terrifying.

IOON:
A person in my train wagon is talking ceaselessly into their phone. Is there even a person at the other end? How is it possible to talk so much without stopping for a response? How can you stand being on the other end of such a monologue??

Tvtyrant

2018-12-19, 12:56 PM

Anonymouswizard

2018-12-19, 03:43 PM

Peelee

2018-12-19, 03:47 PM

Why don't able sighted people ever consider the fact that glasses and rain don't mix well. Had to wait for a new bus because the driver didn't update guys destination until right at the end, so halfway through my journey I was waiting outside in the London rain. The bus shelter was filled almost entirely with the able sighted, and it was the glasses wearers getting wet :smallannoyed:

How come you glasses wearers don't consider that some people have both a good and a bad eye, and only require a monacle? MONO EYE PEOPLE RISE UP, I SAY!

For reals, though, I got a near-sighted eye and a far-sighted eye. My glasses had a super strong prescription lens and basically a normal glass lens. Loved when people tried to put them on, gave them a headache within seconds. Never got old. I could legit wear a monacle.

Anonymouswizard

2018-12-19, 04:42 PM

How come you glasses wearers don't consider that some people have both a good and a bad eye, and only require a monacle? MONO EYE PEOPLE RISE UP, I SAY!

For reals, though, I got a near-sighted eye and a far-sighted eye. My glasses had a super strong prescription lens and basically a normal glass lens. Loved when people tried to put them on, gave them a headache within seconds. Never got old. I could legit wear a monacle.

I'm in the same rough situation, one eye is practically perfect the other suffers from a host of problems including longsightedness and not lining up with my other eye (seriously, I hate it, I always look like I'm looking off to one side).

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-19, 07:02 PM

On a related note, I would like to thank the thread for introducing me to the Giff, who shall henceforth be shoehorned into all of my campaigns. Including the researched realistic historical ones. Especially those ones.humm, obviously someone forgot the first rule of D and D: don't give the DM any ideas.

I'm in the same rough situation, one eye is practically perfect the other suffers from a host of problems including longsightedness and not lining up with my other eye (seriously, I hate it, I always look like I'm looking off to one side).

before I had lens replacement surgery for cataracts [for the left eye at first] at age 45, I had one eye near sighted, the other far sighted. I too had fun watching people put my glasses on, and you're right: It NEVER got old watching them!

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-19, 07:06 PM

The other person is likely zoned out and just responding with grunts and uhhuhs at appropriate times. I know I can listen for about 5 minutes before I stop hearing the words and only hear the cadence, but if they are describing something mechanical like a new gun, car, or the like I just let them go for it. I sometime entertain myself with imagining what the person on the other end is doing and I have to admit, I came up with some really hilarious scenarios that just cracked me up!

Florian

2018-12-21, 08:14 AM

LaZodiac

2018-12-21, 09:11 AM

I agree with the spam bot, for once.

the_brazenburn

2018-12-21, 03:31 PM

I agree with the spam bot, for once.

Not as dumb as the million people who explained it after you, but like...thanks still!

Does rudeness come naturally to you, or are you doing it intentionally?

Either way, could you please stop it?

Peelee

2018-12-21, 03:50 PM

Does rudeness come naturally to you, or are you doing it intentionally?

Either way, could you please stop it?

To be fair, the spambot comment was in response to an actual spammer who's posts have been deleted.

Tvtyrant

2018-12-21, 04:04 PM

I sometime entertain myself with imagining what the person on the other end is doing and I have to admit, I came up with some really hilarious scenarios that just cracked me up!

I want to crack up, tell me some! :)

Florian

2018-12-21, 04:44 PM

I agree with the spam bot, for once.

Can't go into too much of the details because of forum rules (And I'm already on wobbly legs there)

Imagine that: Ive got a military background, went to war and had contact with some secret services after that, domestic as well as foreign. (Field medic Lieutenant, if that tells you something, cross-training in HUMINT, contacted my the Mossad)

Now imagine you meet some guys with the same background (The same war, not the same field), which is definitely uncommon for Germany, you make it a habit of going for a Döner Kebab, some beers and hot political debates, because you're on the other side of the fence, when it comes to that.

Some months later, two things happen more or less at once, out of the blue, some of the guys tell you which position they have or had in the neonazi landscape or the associated biker gangs, while at the same time giving me a full rundown on the who is who of the criminal underworld and how the whole lines go. It manages to get darker at this point. Once you're into slavery and killing, there's no turning back.

Thing is, I knew all of that (in a concrete or abstract way), when opening shop here, but its never went to to the point that I deem outside my business, if you catch my drift.

Teddy

2018-12-21, 04:48 PM

Does rudeness come naturally to you, or are you doing it intentionally?

No, no it doesn't.

ION:
Quite unexpectedly, my new laptop fan arrived today. Turns out Asus official European spare parts vendor have their warehouse here in Sweden, so shipment was quite expedient despite (or maybe even thanks to) all the Christmas packages out there in the postal system. Two hours of work with somewhat inadequate tools and a few seemingly hopeless moments, and now my computer runs as silen as a windless night without. I didn't snap anything important and I didn't accidently deal any ESD damage frying the whole thing, so I'm counting this as a great success. There should hopefully be another pair of years left to squeeze out of this computer now.

Algeh

2018-12-21, 06:31 PM

Quite unexpectedly, my new laptop fan arrived today. Turns out Asus official European spare parts vendor have their warehouse here in Sweden, so shipment was quite expedient despite (or maybe even thanks to) all the Christmas packages out there in the postal system. Two hours of work with somewhat inadequate tools and a few seemingly hopeless moments, and now my computer runs as silen as a windless night without. I didn't snap anything important and I didn't accidently deal any ESD damage frying the whole thing, so I'm counting this as a great success. There should hopefully be another pair of years left to squeeze out of this computer now.

Hooray for unexpectedly quick delivery!

While it has nothing to do with your story except for getting things delivered to Sweden, I recently learned how my mother solved a mildly ridiculous problem. My family keeps in kind of half-hearted touch with our relatives back in Sweden, mostly sending cards once a year or so. Anyway, mom couldn't parse the address on the last card from her cousin. It's unclear which things are letters and which are numbers in a few places, partially because cursive is hard to read and partially because we have no idea what Swedish addresses are supposed to look like to start with. She eventually photocopied his confusing address from the last card he sent, taped it to the letter she wanted to send, and is hoping for the best. We'll see if it gets there.

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-21, 06:52 PM

Weird stuff is happening lately. For whatever reason, "people in the know" have started to take me seriously and we don't only have a beer and a nice political discussion, things are running on a very concrete level: Who owns whom, how are the cash flows structured, which clan is involved on what level, so on.

Two things worry me about that:
1) I´ve been given a very through introduction to the criminal underbelly of my home town. Dealers are actually the small fry here, financiers and enforcers are the real thing.
2) I´m an active member of the political far left party, aiming towards a political post, the guys who have taken me under "their wing" because they like and respect me are neonazis, Hell´s Angels and such.that sounds very not good.

I agree with the spam bot, for once.on enworld, you need to post like 3 times in the greetings thread before posting anywhere else. I greet the new folks like I am a self aware bot. Their internet guru, darjr, once popped on and said he does not remember activating me. i tolld him I have been waiting for him to show.

I want to crack up, tell me some! :)Image if you will, some goofball prattling on about office gossip, the other person on the other end is sitting there miming him the whole time in exaggerating dramatic poses.

or the other person hears the voice of the yackity yak, takes the fon and puts it on the end table and goes to sleep.

Teddy

2018-12-21, 07:20 PM

Hooray for unexpectedly quick delivery!

While it has nothing to do with your story except for getting things delivered to Sweden, I recently learned how my mother solved a mildly ridiculous problem. My family keeps in kind of half-hearted touch with our relatives back in Sweden, mostly sending cards once a year or so. Anyway, mom couldn't parse the address on the last card from her cousin. It's unclear which things are letters and which are numbers in a few places, partially because cursive is hard to read and partially because we have no idea what Swedish addresses are supposed to look like to start with. She eventually photocopied his confusing address from the last card he sent, taped it to the letter she wanted to send, and is hoping for the best. We'll see if it gets there.

Swedish address formats are google-able (and you can always attempt inputting it into mapping software of your choice and see what pops out), but yeah, here's hoping for the best! Modern optical character recognition is pretty amazingly good if done right, so your chances aren't bad.

on enworld, you need to post like 3 times in the greetings thread before posting anywhere else. I greet the new folks like I am a self aware bot. Their internet guru, darjr, once popped on and said he does not remember activating me. i tolld him I have been waiting for him to show.

Hahaha, that's glorious! http://i.imgur.com/haudcUB.png

Image if you will, some goofball prattling on about office gossip, the other person on the other end is sitting there miming him the whole time in exaggerating dramatic poses.

or the other person hears the voice of the yackity yak, takes the fon and puts it on the end table and goes to sleep.

In this specific case, they were actually discussing political manifestations and exposure. It wasn't even politics I disagree with, it's just that they were loud, never stopped talking, and their voice was just sharp enough to go straight through my noise cancelling headphones. At one point their call cut out without warning, and there was a slight snicker of amusement rustling over my co-passengers as the caller went into the stereotypical "Hello? Hello? Can you hear me?" routine.

Florian

2018-12-21, 07:48 PM

that sounds very not good.

No, it doesn't.

Talking about it here makes me realize why that is so disturbing to me.

Anecdotally, there was a Netflix series I really enjoyed the first two seasons of: Banshee - Small Town, Big Secrets.

My home town has around 45K residents and is the northern gateway to the metropolis of Berlin.
I run for a council seat (for my political party), so I know that the overall situation is not that shiny, but getting first-hand experience on how deep the rot really goes is more than disturbing.
The "rot" goes two ways in this case: It´s hard for me to accept and understand that the fall of the former UdSSR caused so many in my generation to cling to the Neonazi banner just to have something of common identity. The other thing is probably something anyone in a liberal country has to face: The truth that we can´t stop crime. Might as well legalize some of the stuff and gain taxes from it, for the common good.

I recently learned how my mother solved a mildly ridiculous problem. My family keeps in kind of half-hearted touch with our relatives back in Sweden, mostly sending cards once a year or so. Anyway, mom couldn't parse the address on the last card from her cousin. It's unclear which things are letters and which are numbers in a few places, partially because cursive is hard to read and partially because we have no idea what Swedish addresses are supposed to look like to start with. She eventually photocopied his confusing address from the last card he sent, taped it to the letter she wanted to send, and is hoping for the best. We'll see if it gets there.

In this day and age? You know, when you can use stuff like google maps to find out an address format? Madame, be ashamed, as a teacher, for not being able to handle cursive script, as a person way below retirement age, for not being able to handle google.

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-21, 08:14 PM

In speculative defense of Algeh, I have seen some very bad penmanship in cursive and it could be considered unreadable. Atroshish[sp?] Atrocious, even.

Dimonite

2018-12-21, 09:18 PM

Does rudeness come naturally to you, or are you doing it intentionally?

Either way, could you please stop it?

But is that a polite way to tell someone that you think they're being rude? How deep does the rudeness rabbit hole theoretically go?!?!? :smalltongue:

Atroshish[sp?]

"Atrocious."
(Which, incidentally, would put it a couple of steps above my handwriting)

Peelee

2018-12-21, 09:45 PM

We had one of the busiest days we've ever had at work. I w almost falling asleep while walking with the wife after, but not in fully alert again. The body is weird

Thufir

2018-12-21, 10:05 PM

Well everyone this is my chess game that I face with another player at Myth-Weavers. I was black and I lost the game. So what do you think?

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. b3 Nf6
4. Nc3 Bd6

This is weird at best. You're setting your dark squared bishop to passively defend a pawn which is already defended, and blocking your d-pawn which both makes it harder for you to contest the centre and removes the most obvious route for your other bishop to enter the game. Your bishops continue to be problem pieces for quite a while.

5. Bc4 0-0
6. Bb2 Na5
7. Be2 Nc6
8. d3 Nd4
9. a3 Nxf3+

There was no particular need for you to resolve the tension here. This exchange doesn't particularly benefit you, and it calls into question the value of all the moves you've made with that knight just to reach this lacklustre conclusion.

10. Bxf3 a6
11. Qd2 Qe7
12. b4 c6
13. Ne2 b5
14. c4 bxc4

Your light squared bishop continues to cry itself to sleep at nights. You could have activated it via c6-Bc7-d6/d5 or a6-b5-Bb7, but playing a6-b5 *and* c6 leaves it still stuck. To cap it off, once again this exchange doesn't benefit you - in fact opening the d-file rather benefits white who can line up major pieces on it to keep you restricted. That said, if you leave it be c5 is coming, so really here I would say you should play c5 yourself. If white exchanges on b5 the a-file is opened for your rook, if bxc5 Bxc5 your bishop gets more active, and either way you can develop your other bishop with Bb7 as I mentioned.

15. dxc4 Bc7
16. c5 d6

This is correct since if you wait for Rd1 you'll just be stuck, however it's a painful move to have to make, because that isolated c-pawn on the semi-open file will be a serious liability.

17. cxd6 Qxd6
18. Qxd6 Bxd6
19. Rd1 Bc7

Here white could probably have done better by aiming at the aforementioned weak c-pawn, and it may have made sense to just play Ke2 rather than castling to get the other rook involved.

20. 0-0 a5
21. Bc3 axb4
22. Bxb4 Rd8
23. Rxd8+ Bxd8
24. g3 h6
25. Bg2 Bc7
26. h4 Ba6
27. Re1 Ng4
28. Bh3 Nf6

Here you're finally getting some active play. Your light squared bishop has entered the game at last, and you're taking aim at the vulnerable f2 square which makes sense.

29. Nc3 Rd8
30. Be7 Rd3
31. Bf1 Rxc3
32. Bxa6 Ng4
33. Bc8 Nxf2

And here's where you throw it away. The sacrifice doesn't work, but you might have been able to get something out of this if you simply ganged up on the pawn with Bb6 and/or Rc2. Your pieces are much better now they're active.

34. Kxf2 Bb6+
35. Kg2 Rc2+
36. Kh3 c5

This was the last straw. If you do go sacrifice material, you need something to compensate for the material disadvantage - usually, and certainly in the case of an attack, piece activity, possibly against a vulnerable enemy king. Closing off your bishop's strong diagonal which gave it access to the king neuters your own attack and ensures you have no real compensation. On the other hand, you may have had a decent option in Bf2 and Rc3.
The rest of the game doesn't really require any comment.

Florian

2018-12-21, 10:22 PM

Did I ever mention that I hate working shifts? It´s not the work per se, but my week of late shift is over and this is the second day that I'm still automatically wide awake at 3 in the morning. Can't adapt my inner clock so fast, it seems. Makes me grumpy as hell.

Anyways, musing a bit about beer. Keep in mind that I'm in Germany, so the damn Reinheitsgebot gets in the way of being creative with ingredients and I'm lacking experience with handling some things.

That said, it´s winter. Ok, no snow, at least not where I live, but damn cold. Traditionally, we go for a Winterbock or Winterdoppelbock (Very malty, double or tripple strength beer), but we brewers only keep up with that tradition to keep it alive, as we´re making a solid minus with the product (It takes too long. Between 6 to 9 month in the tank, you could have produced 6x to 9x the same amount in, say, IPA, but you only get around the same price as double an IPA on the market).

So, musing a bit. Chocolate chai tea has always been sorta-kinda soul food in winter, at least for me. I know that chocolate actually works well in beer, stuff like Stone Xocoveza is actually pretty cool, but I now want to try my hands at something like a chai-flavored beer. Now I'm wondering a bit. The stout/porter direction would seem to be a natural fit, maybe too good at that. I'm rather thinking about the direction of a dark wheat beer and using either a belgian season or a neutral yeast instead of the traditional banana-tasting bavarian yeast. I'm a bit torn when it comes to hops, tho. Ginger and cinnamon cover the spicy, citrus and earthy range, bitter hops only is a bit boring, so I think an even mix of french Strisselspalt and czech Saaz for a more flowery and herbal touch seems ok, especially when using the Strissel for dry hopping. The question is, add milk sugar or not?

Ah, well, just brewed me some chai, got me a bottle of the muscavada rum we just made, hope tha helps me sleep.

Algeh

2018-12-22, 01:19 AM

Swedish address formats are google-able (and you can always attempt inputting it into mapping software of your choice and see what pops out), but yeah, here's hoping for the best! Modern optical character recognition is pretty amazingly good if done right, so your chances aren't bad.

In this day and age? You know, when you can use stuff like google maps to find out an address format? Madame, be ashamed, as a teacher, for not being able to handle cursive script, as a person way below retirement age, for not being able to handle google.

Yeah, the first thing I tried when I realized that I couldn't read it either (I'm usually pretty good at reading weird handwriting from grading math tests) was plugging my best guess of the address into Google Maps to see if it would correct into something usable. It just cheerfully showed me that it thought the town I typed in was in Goteborg without showing me a specific address. I then tried seeing if the Swedish postal service had some kind of address verifier like USPS does, but couldn't find anything quickly.

My mom's cousin's handwriting has, among other things, ambiguous symbols that could be either d's or 8's. It's...remarkable.

Tvtyrant

2018-12-22, 01:37 AM

Rockphed

2018-12-22, 01:37 AM

Yeah, the first thing I tried when I realized that I couldn't read it either (I'm usually pretty good at reading weird handwriting from grading math tests) was plugging my best guess of the address into Google Maps to see if it would correct into something usable. It just cheerfully showed me that it thought the town I typed in was in Goteborg without showing me a specific address. I then tried seeing if the Swedish postal service had some kind of address verifier like USPS does, but couldn't find anything quickly.

My mom's cousin's handwriting has, among other things, ambiguous symbols that could be either d's or 8's. It's...remarkable.

This is why I always mostly print important things in all caps when I remember. Well, that and my handwriting looks like somebody who only reads chinese attempting to transliterate into arabic. When I took the GRE it took 20 minutes to cursive out the thing they made me write in cursive. My hand was all cramped up from it.

Algeh

2018-12-22, 02:27 AM

factotum

2018-12-22, 03:17 AM

So apparently there is a nerve that runs from your elbow down your right hand middle finger, and I know this because I accidentally KO'd my elbow against a door frame earlier and what hurts is my hand.

There's the median nerve, but that's on the inside of your arm, AFAIK? (It's the one involved in carpal tunnel syndrome). Didn't think there was another one on the other side.

Tvtyrant

2018-12-22, 03:26 AM

There's the median nerve, but that's on the inside of your arm, AFAIK? (It's the one involved in carpal tunnel syndrome). Didn't think there was another one on the other side.
If I touch the underside of the elbow my hand spasms so I assume its the nerve, I suppose it could be a pulled muscle ending or the like. Never had burning numbness in my hand before, so it is a new experience.

Dimonite

2018-12-22, 07:36 AM

If I touch the underside of the elbow my hand spasms

Well, then, don't do that!

https://images-nitrosell-com.akamaized.net/public_html/12/2859/blog/grouch.jpg

so I assume its the nerve, I suppose it could be a pulled muscle ending or the like. Never had burning numbness in my hand before, so it is a new experience.

...but seriously, you should get that looked at. That sounds nerve-damage-y.

Anonymouswizard

2018-12-22, 07:49 AM

This is why I always mostly print important things in all caps when I remember. Well, that and my handwriting looks like somebody who only reads chinese attempting to transliterate into arabic. When I took the GRE it took 20 minutes to cursive out the thing they made me write in cursive. My hand was all cramped up from it.

I have surprisingly neat handwriting, which partially comes from writing in script/cursive almost exclusively (barring things like addresses and forms) since I was about eight. Depending on your exact background my headwriting either looks messy but quite legible (I've heard it described as 'spider writing'), or fancy. Interestingly all of my immediate family write cursive in the exact same style.

I also had to write out essay questions for at least an hour per year for the last year of my schooling, and wrote in cursive for all my exams. I remember having to write two sides of A4 of an opening to a hardboiled detective story, and four sides of A4 minimum dissecting the set texts.

I still remember my shock when seeing the A-level marking schemes for maths and physics and seeing that unlike at GCSE where jotting down the correct answer got you full marks now you'd only get about one or two marks unless you actually showed your working out (in a six mark question just writing the correct answer would make you miss out on four marks), but there was no real difference in the English marking schemes beyond level of technique expected.

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-22, 09:10 AM

"Atrocious."
(Which, incidentally, would put it a couple of steps above my handwriting)Ah, thank you. Correction made.

So apparently there is a nerve that runs from your elbow down your right hand middle finger, and I know this because I accidentally KO'd my elbow against a door frame earlier and what hurts is my hand.the radial nerve goes to pinky, ring and half of the middle. I believe you are right, the median is the other half of the middle

If I touch the underside of the elbow my hand spasms so I assume its the nerve, I suppose it could be a pulled muscle ending or the like. Never had burning numbness in my hand before, so it is a new experience.

Well, then, don't do that!

https://images-nitrosell-com.akamaized.net/public_html/12/2859/blog/grouch.jpg

...but seriously, you should get that looked at. That sounds nerve-damage-y.Groucho, My hero! Not much you can do about it. if it is brused, which is likely, all you can do is use an ice pack on the elbow, and time.

Teddy

2018-12-22, 11:51 AM

It seems not everything has stabilised itself on the computer front. When I finally left it to brush my teeth and get ready for bed, I came back to find the screen blackened out and the computer unresponsive, now suddenly stuck in some pre-BIOS coma. No hardness of reset was able to wake it, but unwilling to give up and declare it a casualty, I screwed it apart again this morning afternoon to see if anything had come loose or was visibly damaged. All I managed to do was scritch the back of my head a few times, but when I put it back together again it nevertheless woke up again. I had to do a hard reset as the session image in hibernation had gotten corrupted, and I haven't yet tested puting it through a sleep cycle, but for now it's running fine again. Let's hope and dream it stays that way.

EDIT:
Two hibernations, including one moderately shaky transportation later where I did a mild fall off my bicycle, and it's still working...

Mith

2018-12-22, 03:19 PM

Florian

2018-12-22, 11:17 PM

Even as a seasonal Yuletide beer, you take a loss? That sucks. I would hope that the seasonal scarcity could help with boosting sales.

And your other musings, makes me wish I was in your market area. Good luck.

.... And this time, it was 3:22 when I woke up....

Scarcity is no real argument. Ok, let me try to explain it this way: What works for an U.S. craft brewer, doesn't work for a German craft brewer. We have the situation that there's no place in Germany that is more than 30 minutes (on foot) away from a supermarket and we have four big companies covering 72% of the market. Those four companies not also cover the retail branch, they are also into wholesale, distribution and each fields a discounter branch. They set the rules and you're either in our out.

The truth is quite simple: Either you stay a brewpub, or you're forced to punch way past your weight class. Similar to most in the Berlin region, we already field a 20HL brewhouse and an annual capacity of 5K HL. From what I gather, that already is way above the weight class of most U.S. craft brewers. To be able to enter the market and meet contractual obligations, we all have to engage in contract brewing to bring up the output to the level demanded by one of the four. Basically that means that we have to rent enough production capability to be in the 100HL daily range just to be able to get into retail.

LaZodiac

2018-12-22, 11:38 PM

Does rudeness come naturally to you, or are you doing it intentionally?

Either way, could you please stop it?

Yeah I've been shockingly bitter the past few times I posted here, sorry about that.

Mith

2018-12-23, 12:35 AM

.... And this time, it was 3:22 when I woke up....

Scarcity is no real argument. Ok, let me try to explain it this way: What works for an U.S. craft brewer, doesn't work for a German craft brewer. We have the situation that there's no place in Germany that is more than 30 minutes (on foot) away from a supermarket and we have four big companies covering 72% of the market. Those four companies not also cover the retail branch, they are also into wholesale, distribution and each fields a discounter branch. They set the rules and you're either in our out.

The truth is quite simple: Either you stay a brewpub, or you're forced to punch way past your weight class. Similar to most in the Berlin region, we already field a 20HL brewhouse and an annual capacity of 5K HL. From what I gather, that already is way above the weight class of most U.S. craft brewers. To be able to enter the market and meet contractual obligations, we all have to engage in contract brewing to bring up the output to the level demanded by one of the four. Basically that means that we have to rent enough production capability to be in the 100HL daily range just to be able to get into retail.

Fair enough. Where I am at (Edmonton, Canada), I think most craft ends up being more at the "brewpub" level, or not much beyond that (limited retail/other pub presence).

My scarcity argument was more along the idea of how pumpkin spice latte is artificially regulated to autumn season, spiking the demand. In the craft beer sense, it's "I like this brewery, this seasonal beer is on now, I will buy this beer as I trust their product." So the low batch beer usually breaks even.

Granted, if I had the money to regularly drink beer, I would have tabs to buy any seasonal or experimental beer simply because it's a new product from a reputable brewer. Perhaps that's a minority perspective.

Florian

2018-12-23, 05:41 AM

Fair enough. Where I am at (Edmonton, Canada), I think most craft ends up being more at the "brewpub" level, or not much beyond that (limited retail/other pub presence).

My scarcity argument was more along the idea of how pumpkin spice latte is artificially regulated to autumn season, spiking the demand. In the craft beer sense, it's "I like this brewery, this seasonal beer is on now, I will buy this beer as I trust their product." So the low batch beer usually breaks even.

Granted, if I had the money to regularly drink beer, I would have tabs to buy any seasonal or experimental beer simply because it's a new product from a reputable brewer. Perhaps that's a minority perspective.

Reminder: Germany, Reinheitsgebot - officially, we can´t do such a thing as a "pumpkin spiced ale", as we can´t label and sell that as beer. We can do it, but only sell it in the taproom, not bring it into retail.

But, nah, I think this is one more difference between continental Europa and northern America. Something has gone wrong should we ever run out of any type of ingredient and the customers know that. With suppliers like, say, Austrian Fruit, you get a steady supply of strawberries, peaches or pumpkin all year long, so it actually looks sorta-kinda stupid when international companies like Starbucks try to make a hype each year about stuff like the mentioned pumpkin spice latte.

For me, it´s a logistical nightmare. When ordering something like cherries or peaches for a kettle-soured beer (think Kriek), I need to have free capacity in the cellar at around the million liters point and the KZE, separation (both are preservation techniques) and bottling line capacity to bring that from the tank to the bottle ASAP, to get back to regular production.

Edit and afterthought: Some of the things you wrote make it clear to me why I find some of the going-ons in the U.S. and Canadian craft beer scene so alien. Our big breweries have our full trust and their products are the general benchmark both, the customers and us smaller brewers, use as a comparison point for everything we do.

I understand that craft breweries on the other side of the big pond manage to beat the big ones at their own game, in their own backyard. Looking at what AB, Coors, Guiness or Stella Artois produce, that is not all too hard and something you can honestly rail against.

The situation here is vastly different, tho. What companies like Augustiner, Paulaner, Beck´s or Kindl produce, never dropped in quality, never changed to meet some ominous mass market taste, they rather pioneered production techniques to stay competitive and dominate the market. It´s basically impossible to beat them at their own game as they have perfected their product.
Honestly, should you ever visit Berlin or Munich and ask me for the best local lager, the answer will be Kindl Jubiläum and and Auguster Helles and there's no shame to that.

What we can do is provide options and alternatives, especially when it comes to things that can´t be done on a large scale.

I actually had to laugh out loud (startling my cats) when reading the thing about being able to afford beer. I think it is rather fair to say that food production efficiency in Germany is quite possible the highest in the world. Even a homeless person has to spent maybe 3 hours scrounging for thrown away deposit bottles to be well fed for the day and have enough left-over to get at least a six pack and some Ganja and we're not talking about the cheap and unhealthy stuff there.

(Not exaggerating. Döner Kebap is the result of German/Turkish fusion kitchen and maybe one of the healthiest fast food options around. Mostly, it will clock in at the 3€ range and will make something like Subways or Pret A Manger look overpriced and cheap. Cans or PET bottles clock in at 0.25€ deposit, so do the math)

FinnLassie

2018-12-23, 11:36 AM

New thread? I can't just not post in a new thread.

Anyways, I'll be gone for a good, good while again.

Mith

2018-12-23, 12:29 PM

Reminder: Germany, Reinheitsgebot - officially, we can´t do such a thing as a "pumpkin spiced ale", as we can´t label and sell that as beer. We can do it, but only sell it in the taproom, not bring it into retail.

But, nah, I think this is one more difference between continental Europa and northern America. Something has gone wrong should we ever run out of any type of ingredient and the customers know that. With suppliers like, say, Austrian Fruit, you get a steady supply of strawberries, peaches or pumpkin all year long, so it actually looks sorta-kinda stupid when international companies like Starbucks try to make a hype each year about stuff like the mentioned pumpkin spice latte.

For me, it´s a logistical nightmare. When ordering something like cherries or peaches for a kettle-soured beer (think Kriek), I need to have free capacity in the cellar at around the million liters point and the KZE, separation (both are preservation techniques) and bottling line capacity to bring that from the tank to the bottle ASAP, to get back to regular production.

Edit and afterthought: Some of the things you wrote make it clear to me why I find some of the going-ons in the U.S. and Canadian craft beer scene so alien. Our big breweries have our full trust and their products are the general benchmark both, the customers and us smaller brewers, use as a comparison point for everything we do.

I understand that craft breweries on the other side of the big pond manage to beat the big ones at their own game, in their own backyard. Looking at what AB, Coors, Guiness or Stella Artois produce, that is not all too hard and something you can honestly rail against.

The situation here is vastly different, tho. What companies like Augustiner, Paulaner, Beck´s or Kindl produce, never dropped in quality, never changed to meet some ominous mass market taste, they rather pioneered production techniques to stay competitive and dominate the market. It´s basically impossible to beat them at their own game as they have perfected their product.
Honestly, should you ever visit Berlin or Munich and ask me for the best local lager, the answer will be Kindl Jubiläum and and Auguster Helles and there's no shame to that.

What we can do is provide options and alternatives, especially when it comes to things that can´t be done on a large scale.

I actually had to laugh out loud (startling my cats) when reading the thing about being able to afford beer. I think it is rather fair to say that food production efficiency in Germany is quite possible the highest in the world. Even a homeless person has to spent maybe 3 hours scrounging for thrown away deposit bottles to be well fed for the day and have enough left-over to get at least a six pack and some Ganja and we're not talking about the cheap and unhealthy stuff there.

(Not exaggerating. Döner Kebap is the result of German/Turkish fusion kitchen and maybe one of the healthiest fast food options around. Mostly, it will clock in at the 3€ range and will make something like Subways or Pret A Manger look overpriced and cheap. Cans or PET bottles clock in at 0.25€ deposit, so do the math)

Fair enough. Yeah, your description makes sense. Over here, the "fad" beers (at least of the brewers I like) is more that they do fairly seasonal rotation on everything they have, and do not have much in the way of a constant beer that they continually out put, out side of the craft beer that managed to get big enough.

New thread? I can't just not post in a new thread.

Anyways, I'll be gone for a good, good while again.

Good luck! May your road be steady underfoot.

HalfTangible

2018-12-23, 01:14 PM

New thread? I can't just not post in a new thread.

Hi Finny!

Anyways, I'll be gone for a good, good while again.

Bye Finny!

Peelee

2018-12-23, 02:36 PM

Florian

2018-12-23, 02:40 PM

out side of the craft beer that managed to get big enough.

Which is kind of funny. Northern American breweries that want to get serious will buy german equipment and therefore german production techniques and methods, because in this case, you can´t separate one from the other.
(Don´t get this wrong, this is not some sort of home team bragging, but pointing out two facts)

On my side of the big pond, that is basically the starting position and we compensate by using cheaper Eastern EU manufacturers for the initial setup and make ends meet somehow, until we can step up our game and go for the real deal when it comes to equipment.
(Our core brewhouse comes from Hungary, our tanks from Bulgaria)

Don't get me wrong, but I'm always quite fascinated about the beer prices that come along with the mix of going purely seasonal as well as don't investing in better production methods.

Rockphed

2018-12-23, 03:12 PM

Welp, it's 2 days til Christmas and I'm seriously debating putting up the hanmock and reading a book. It's about a nice, balmy 68° (20° for those who dont use freedom units), with a delightful little breeze.

Freedom units? Hoo-boy, but rooting out US customary units is going to take forever. I mean, I'll stop using them when the g-men pry them from my cold, dead hands, but it seems the more people try to stomp them out, the harder they take root.

Florian

2018-12-23, 03:40 PM

Freedom units? Hoo-boy, but rooting out US customary units is going to take forever. I mean, I'll stop using them when the g-men pry them from my cold, dead hands, but it seems the more people try to stomp them out, the harder they take root.

I´d bet against that. A side effect of globalization is standardization of products. At one point, someone in the PRC will be fed up with having to spent money on having two different front ends and displays on, say, washing machine and decide to cut costs by only serving the metric system, which basically the majority of the world uses. That's it then, no g-men involved.

Knaight

2018-12-23, 04:15 PM

Which is kind of funny. Northern American breweries that want to get serious will buy german equipment and therefore german production techniques and methods, because in this case, you can´t separate one from the other.
(Don´t get this wrong, this is not some sort of home team bragging, but pointing out two facts)

Depends on the brewery. Some of them buy straight up chemical plant equipment instead. I toured one once on a chemical engineering student tour (given by an engineer, for engineering students, it was excellent), and among the things that were explicitly pointed out and admired at length were some heat exchangers and batch reactors you'd expect to see at a refinery of some sort. The barrels and the like for sour beers may well have been German though.

Rockphed

2018-12-23, 04:34 PM

I´d bet against that. A side effect of globalization is standardization of products. At one point, someone in the PRC will be fed up with having to spent money on having two different front ends and displays on, say, washing machine and decide to cut costs by only serving the metric system, which basically the majority of the world uses. That's it then, no g-men involved.

If chinese manufacturers did their own engineering, I could see that happening. As is, most of the major manufacturers do the manufacturing to someone else's engineering specs. And enough engineering happens in the US that I don't see US units getting canned simply because engineers decide that figuring out how to label things in US customary units is too much work.

As a note, I have 2 sets of hex wrenches (often called allen wrenches), one in metric units up to 8 mm, the other in freedom units up to a quarter inch. I have both sets because where I used to work we used both US customary unit specified hex bolts and metric specified hex bolts. And it wasn't GM projects had freedom unit bolts, Nissan projects had metric, it was bolts in these places use metric, bolts in those places use US customary. I think it was the bolts that held the floor plates down on a project that went to Mexico that used a quarter inch bolt. A 4 mm head does okay, but it isn't quite the right fit.

Lake Huron

2018-12-23, 05:11 PM

Though this premise doesn't have quite the potential for intellectual discourse as the effects of globalisation on industry I'm going to go for it anyway.

"You Can't Hurry Love" by The Supremes might be my favourite song ever recorded.

SZbNAhL

2018-12-23, 06:17 PM

Surely America would use lb-men? Come on you were all thinking it.

Knaight

2018-12-23, 06:24 PM

If chinese manufacturers did their own engineering, I could see that happening. As is, most of the major manufacturers do the manufacturing to someone else's engineering specs. And enough engineering happens in the US that I don't see US units getting canned simply because engineers decide that figuring out how to label things in US customary units is too much work.

Of course, among U.S. citizens engineers are disproportionately likely to favor metric - and chemical engineering in particular is pretty thoroughly transfering that way, with the customary system sticking around mostly because you use big expensive components as long as possible, reuse and repair them when possible, and thus old ones are still around. Modern reactors and the like are generally built to volume standards based on liters though, as just one of many examples (one of the big ones which sees a lot of reuse, though distillation columns are up there too).

Anonymouswizard

2018-12-23, 07:06 PM

Of course, among U.S. citizens engineers are disproportionately likely to favor metric - and chemical engineering in particular is pretty thoroughly transfering that way, with the customary system sticking around mostly because you use big expensive components as long as possible, reuse and repair them when possible, and thus old ones are still around. Modern reactors and the like are generally built to volume standards based on liters though, as just one of many examples (one of the big ones which sees a lot of reuse, though distillation columns are up there too).

Yeah, in the UK as well scientists and engineers have a massive preference for SI units over Imperial, even if the public seems to be somewhat suspicious of the foreign units.

However, I believe it's litres, similar to how it's metres instead of meters. I'll also note that I hate the unit 'micron', I know it's supposed to avoid confusion when talking about 'micrometres' but a micrometer isn't something I've ever used, and am unlikely to need, while micron just doesn't fit in the SI system of standardised prefixes.

Peelee

2018-12-23, 07:24 PM

Surely America would use lb-men?

There's that British humor I know and love!

Rockphed

2018-12-23, 08:46 PM

Surely America would use lb-men?

I think if we wanted to use a freedom units equivalent to g-men, we would simply call them "revenuers".

Though that is my favorite part of Discworld when people think Death might be a taxman. When he discovers the source of their suspicion, he simply says "no, not taxes. I definitely am not taxes."

Dimonite

2018-12-23, 11:22 PM

Welp, it's 2 days til Christmas and I'm seriously debating putting up the hanmock and reading a book. It's about a nice, balmy 68° (20° for those who dont use freedom units), with a delightful little breeze.

I spent a Christmas in Alabama once (I have family in Montgomery) where it was 73 degrees and we sat around watching my cousin ride horses.

factotum

2018-12-24, 02:21 AM

Yeah, in the UK as well scientists and engineers have a massive preference for SI units over Imperial, even if the public seems to be somewhat suspicious of the foreign units.

However, we buy milk and petrol in litres and meat and rice in kilogrammes these days--the only places where we regularly use imperial are distances (I'm 6' 2" and am driving 120 miles to my mother's house later today) and speeds (I'll be doing 70mph for most of that). I suspect a lot of that is down to the sheer expense involved in changing all the road signs, too.

Florian

2018-12-24, 04:00 AM

@Knaight:

Basically, no manufacturer sinks time and money into developing something in-house when it is readily available on the open market. So you'll see the same parts and components used in a wide range of industries. That starts with the simple, from armatures, drives, heat exchangers, valves and pumps and goes to more specialized pieces like a reverse osmosis water treatment membrane/particle filters or CIP cleaning. It only gets interesting when looking at specialized equipment, specifically modified equipment or including newer technologies. For example, we use a standard industrial-strength plate cooling heat exchanger, but combine it with a condenser to redirect the excess heat and vapors back into the production process to heat up the water used for the next batch. That enables us to use an bio gas powered small industrial CHP unit, as we effectively eliminated the issue with spikes.
What I'm more wondering about is the use of batch reactors - unless they solely work with malt and hops extract, that is.

@Rockphed:

Science and engineering have long become pretty global matters with shared standards. You basically have to deal with suppliers from all over the globe when it comes to parts and components, so while U.S. english is becoming the norm in global communication (replacing Oxford English), so is the metric system. In the long run, its about which norms and standard the industries can agree to as the most useful, as exemplified by the DIN.

@factotum:

Changing the road signs is not an issue. Broadly speaking, that is exactly the kind of task that generates a lot of jobs in a very short time, most governments would jump at that opportunity.
But: How to get millions upon millions of car speedometers exchanged to KM standard (or finally settle on the global standard on driving on the right lane)? The only way to make that work is by a hard exit from combustion engines with a set timeframe and introduce the change with the replacement technology.

Knaight

2018-12-24, 04:28 AM

@Knaight:

Basically, no manufacturer sinks time and money into developing something in-house when it is readily available on the open market. So you'll see the same parts and components used in a wide range of industries. That starts with the simple, from armatures, drives, heat exchangers, valves and pumps and goes to more specialized pieces like a reverse osmosis water treatment membrane/particle filters or CIP cleaning. It only gets interesting when looking at specialized equipment, specifically modified equipment or including newer technologies. For example, we use a standard industrial-strength plate cooling heat exchanger, but combine it with a condenser to redirect the excess heat and vapors back into the production process to heat up the water used for the next batch. That enables us to use an bio gas powered small industrial CHP unit, as we effectively eliminated the issue with spikes.
What I'm more wondering about is the use of batch reactors - unless they solely work with malt and hops extract, that is.

When I say "reuse" I mean it in a very literal sense. It's not just that the industry uses the same kind of reactors (which it absolutely does, there's standard commercial sizes and the new ones are basically all measured in liters, apart from some incredibly slow small scale continuous flow bioreactors that use mL). I mean that it's generally much easier to just clean a single piece of equipment and stick it in a different process somewhere, particularly if a catalyst bed or something can be reused. Even simple PFRs will see this, let alone stuff with moving parts or expensive catalysts.

Florian

2018-12-24, 05:29 AM

When I say "reuse" I mean it in a very literal sense. It's not just that the industry uses the same kind of reactors (which it absolutely does, there's standard commercial sizes and the new ones are basically all measured in liters, apart from some incredibly slow small scale continuous flow bioreactors that use mL). I mean that it's generally much easier to just clean a single piece of equipment and stick it in a different process somewhere, particularly if a catalyst bed or something can be reused. Even simple PFRs will see this, let alone stuff with moving parts or expensive catalysts.

Oh boy.

That's so rare around here, no-one ever does this, not even for fully refurbished equipment, if they can avoid it. That's a side effect of how our tax system works: Equipment is expected to have some wear and tear and be replaced at the end of the expected lifetime cycle. Therefore you're allowed to write off that equipment based on some calculations (AFA tables) and save up the money for the replacement, which is exempt from taxation. Basically, when my bottling line hits the 10 year mark, I will sell it off to the secondary market and get a new one instead, else I would suddenly accrue tax dept, no matter how serviceable or functional the line still is.

That is actually a problem for prospective newcomers to the market: You can get the equipment quite cheap on the secondary market, but it´s already written off when it comes to taxes, so no benefits there at all and upgrading will be comparatively costly.

(Ex: I buy 10x 20HL CCTs from TMINOX today, each costing 12K€. The expected life cycle of a CCT is 15 years. That allows me to reduce my tax load by 8K/year, provided that I keep that sum in reserve.
At the 15 year mark, I either get rid of those CCTs and replace them, or I'm fined to the equivalent of taxes due for 120K€)

factotum

2018-12-24, 06:14 AM

Changing the road signs is not an issue. Broadly speaking, that is exactly the kind of task that generates a lot of jobs in a very short time, most governments would jump at that opportunity.
But: How to get millions upon millions of car speedometers exchanged to KM standard (or finally settle on the global standard on driving on the right lane)?

I haven't seen a car speedometer over here in decades that didn't have both MPH and KPH on it. As for changing the side we drive on, why shiould we move over to the more dangerous side of the road (scientific studies show that most people have better reaction times to things that are happening on their right-hand side) just because Napoleon Bonaparte got a nark on 200 years ago and decided everyone should drive on the right?

Florian

2018-12-24, 06:38 AM

I haven't seen a car speedometer over here in decades that didn't have both MPH and KPH on it. As for changing the side we drive on, why shiould we move over to the more dangerous side of the road (scientific studies show that most people have better reaction times to things that are happening on their right-hand side) just because Napoleon Bonaparte got a nark on 200 years ago and decided everyone should drive on the right?

We´re living in liberal countries with an economy in a big phase of globalization, that´s why.

I made my cut as a freelance SAP developer, working international, when that was still somewhat exotic, the skills were in high demand and the monetary compensation was fitting to that.

What we are experiencing right now is more or less the rise of the "international citizen", young and highly trained experts which partly studied abroad, partook in something like the ERASMUS+ program and had their 2-4 internships in transnational companies and maybe on other continents. Yes, they will change once they reach the age and finances to settle down, but that's a different matter.

Edit: I don´t say this is the majority. The number of, say, plumbers, will beat the number of Developers, Programmers or Investment Bankers any day of the week for a given nation-state. But as usual, the jet-set will pave the way and politics will follow.

Knaight

2018-12-24, 06:41 AM

Oh boy.

That's so rare around here, no-one ever does this, not even for fully refurbished equipment, if they can avoid it. That's a side effect of how our tax system works: Equipment is expected to have some wear and tear and be replaced at the end of the expected lifetime cycle. Therefore you're allowed to write off that equipment based on some calculations (AFA tables) and save up the money for the replacement, which is exempt from taxation. Basically, when my bottling line hits the 10 year mark, I will sell it off to the secondary market and get a new one instead, else I would suddenly accrue tax dept, no matter how serviceable or functional the line still is.

Yeah, over here the somewhat large petrochemical industry in particular really skews the used market, and that tax quirk emphatically doesn't exist. Which is why, as we were talking about in a different thread, even breweries and can get in on this. A single distillation column might start its life in a haber plant, get some minor pressure refittings and end up in bulk petrochemical separation twenty five years later, spend another thirty years there, then end up in an alcohol distillery for fortified beers at a brewery (or at a distillery) where it sees another ten years of use. It's also likely to see some customary measurements show up in terms of things like tray spacing, fitting size, etc. which you wouldn't see in a more recently made distillation column. A similar thing can happen to reactors, where batch reactors might start in something like nylon production way back when (before it wasn't basically guaranteed to be a continuous process), move to pharmaceuticals, bounce around through a number of different drug production lines, then end up in a microbrewery somewhere, sixty years after it was first made.

Florian

2018-12-24, 07:01 AM

Totally weird.

Ok, I know that we have a very different understanding of basic resource consumption between our sides of the big pond, we don't have any, so we approach that topic more carefully, but your example really is gross.

Edit: This will us take full circle to my initial statement. We have no resources. With an over-aging population, we don't even have manpower to compensate. We are used to extremely harsh regulations. The equipment we produce and use reflects all three aspects. What is necessary to function on this market, is basically the core for radically reducing costs in a market without that extremely limiting set of boundaries.

Knaight

2018-12-24, 08:34 AM

Ok, I know that we have a very different understanding of basic resource consumption between our sides of the big pond, we don't have any, so we approach that topic more carefully, but your example really is gross.

That actually seems a bit odd to me, mostly because I'd expect trying to get as many decades out of each piece of equipment as possible to be how you'd respond to minimal basic resource consumption. Catalyst beds can burn through a lot of some comparatively rare minerals, and while that resource usage is dwarfed by that of anything that flows through them* there's also not really that big a change in efficiency a lot of the time for the simpler components.

*With a handful of exceptions. Desalination plants don't use up the ocean in any significant sense, and they never will.

Florian

2018-12-24, 08:57 AM

That actually seems a bit odd to me, mostly because I'd expect trying to get as many decades out of each piece of equipment as possible to be how you'd respond to minimal basic resource consumption. Catalyst beds can burn through a lot of some comparatively rare minerals, and while that resource usage is dwarfed by that of anything that flows through them* there's also not really that big a change in efficiency a lot of the time for the simpler components.

Compare the initial "cost" (energetic as well as monetary) with the lifecycle cost of keeping said equipment running. I think it´s fair to say that we are more used (by now) to think in terms of renewable energy, so the main question is when is it more feasible to melt down and recycle the whole thing, using the former to power the whole process, then keep on going?

Algeh

2018-12-24, 12:05 PM

@factotum:

Changing the road signs is not an issue. Broadly speaking, that is exactly the kind of task that generates a lot of jobs in a very short time, most governments would jump at that opportunity.
But: How to get millions upon millions of car speedometers exchanged to KM standard (or finally settle on the global standard on driving on the right lane)? The only way to make that work is by a hard exit from combustion engines with a set timeframe and introduce the change with the replacement technology.

I haven't seen a car speedometer over here in decades that didn't have both MPH and KPH on it. As for changing the side we drive on, why shiould we move over to the more dangerous side of the road (scientific studies show that most people have better reaction times to things that are happening on their right-hand side) just because Napoleon Bonaparte got a nark on 200 years ago and decided everyone should drive on the right?

Can confirm that even here in the USA, I've never driven a car that didn't have both miles and kilometers on the speedometer. Canada uses kilometers, so it would be a hassle to go on some road trips without them. (My 1984 Toyota minivan and Toyota Camry had both sets of gradations printed on the analog speedometer. My 2017 Toyota RAV 4 has a digital display that you can change preferences for units on in one of the menus, which is actually more annoying since it doesn't display both at once so you have to actually remember to change it.) I assume that very old cars may not have both, but at some point if you're trying to figure out how to solve a problem that only exists for people driving cars over 40-50 years old you can just decide that those people are already good at solving car-related problems if they've kept them running so far and not worry about them too much.

Canada did the metric changeover during a time when lots of people had cars (the 1970s, says Wikipedia), but I really don't know much about it in detail. I could ask my older relatives who were living there then next time I see them, I suppose. (I remember things like road signs being metric when I visited in the 80s as a kid.)

As for the brewing equipment thread, I'm always fascinated by how different these things are in different places. There is certainly the idea in America that if something still works, somebody will want it if you're done using it. There's kind of an idea that scrappy start-up businesses will have a bunch of mis-matched equipment they got from various places, since they're small-scale and the owners can better spare their own labor of keeping the inefficient equipment running than they could spare the money to buy things that were less worn out and more interchangeable. As you scale up and the owner's time becomes more valuable (and/or you're hiring workers to deal with the inefficient equipment, which changes the cost of inefficiency to be a more direct financial one), you start buying things that save you time but cost more money up front.

This "someone else will want to use this since it still works" concept isn't always actually true, but it's a strong cultural idea that extends to personal items as well. My father, for instance, has a large 20 year old CRT TV built-in to a wooden console that he feels is too nice to send to the recyclers "because it still works" and it is sitting in a corner of the den "until he can figure out where to donate it". I suspect that no one wants a CRT TV the size of an armoire, but, you know, it still works so it would be wasteful to just throw it away...I assume it will be in his den as a decorative object for at least another decade unless he moves. There's also a tendency to either sell your old stuff at garage sales, donate your old stuff to charity, and/or put your old stuff out at the edge of your yard with a "free" sign on it to see if anyone else wants it. (We've gotten some pretty good stuff that way just out on walks, too. My stepdad uses a nice commercial rack someone set out for free to store a lot of his tech demos for work. After he retires, I'll see if the convention I volunteer with wants it and if not it'll go back out with a free sign.) Used/surplus office furniture is a thing, too. I know a lot of the chairs and teacher desks we have at my school were donated from local businesses when they upgraded or bought from surplus places (that presumably got them similarly).

Florian

2018-12-24, 01:44 PM

I basically grew up on american soil (McGraw U.S. Military Base) and later had to spent some time in Arizona as part of my military cross-training. That's both a good two decades in the past and the only times I actually drove american cars. The Dodge and GM I remember didn't have the dual feature. One of the first cars I owned in Germany, a Toyota Corolla, did, tho.

As for the other point, I don't actually think that this is a cultural thing. My grandparents were war generation and they were extreme on saving and reusing, my parents only a bit less so.

In contrast, as one of the most over-crowded places in the world, we are quite ruthless in our politics of economy, out of necessity. It´s a bit of a farce that one of the premier capitalist countries can enforce something like this because of the strong socialist background and leaning, in a way, similar to Japan.

It was a conscious choice to promote the constant renewal, as well as the full-scale recycling of the old. Both feed our industry and make up our otherwise non-existing inland market (once you understand that point, the difference to the U.S.(and other countries in the EU), you understand a lot).

Teddy

2018-12-24, 02:44 PM

Changing the road signs is not an issue. Broadly speaking, that is exactly the kind of task that generates a lot of jobs in a very short time, most governments would jump at that opportunity.

Yes, yes it is an issue. Just ordering the signs to be changed isn't going to automatically create the funds to do so. Sure, most of that money you spend is eventually going to make it back to you in the form of taxes, but before it has, that is money you can't spend on something else. Plus, lots of (very, very) temporary jobs aren't always the thing you need.

ION:
Merry Christmas, everybody!

It gets dark quick up here at Ancestral Farm, and when it gets dark, it gets real dark. I didn't realise how exotic that kind of darkness has become to me until I came up here. Looking out the window just to be greeted by the total blackness of the unpolluted night, it's something special.

Last night was also really special. Tonight the sky is cloudy, but last night the full moon was out and the wide winter landscape was bathed in a glistening silver light. It was sheer awe-inspiring beauty...

Florian

2018-12-24, 03:18 PM

Ugh, not so loud. I have to work during the holidays (actually on shift right now), so I can´t see my family this year, as a result I'm slightly tipsy with a side of hung-over.

But yeah, marry Christmas all around, especially for those of you who hold Christmas eve as important.

Funny, but maybe because of this, I finally went for an East tradition I used to reject and fight with claws and teeth: Wiener with potato salad on X-mas eve, keep it low and simple, the fancy stuff will come tomorrow.

factotum

2018-12-24, 03:55 PM

This "someone else will want to use this since it still works" concept isn't always actually true, but it's a strong cultural idea that extends to personal items as well. My father, for instance, has a large 20 year old CRT TV built-in to a wooden console that he feels is too nice to send to the recyclers "because it still works" and it is sitting in a corner of the den "until he can figure out where to donate it".

The item in question doesn't even have to work. At my Mother's house over Christmas and I found two Sky controllers in a drawer. When asked why they were there, she said neither of them worked, and didn't really have a good explanation when I asked why she hadn't just chucked them out!

Peelee

2018-12-24, 06:59 PM

I basically grew up on american soil (McGraw U.S. Military Base)

German soil, assuming I have the correct base. To the best of my knowlwdge, military bases are on land leased from the host nation, and are not the lessee nation's soil. Also, ship captains can't marry you. The Navy in particular is very vocal about this.

Florian

2018-12-24, 07:46 PM

German soil, assuming I have the correct base. To the best of my knowlwdge, military bases are on land leased from the host nation, and are not the lessee nation's soil. Also, ship captains can't marry you. The Navy in particular is very vocal about this.

Peelee, as much as I like you, but you lack the experience of growing up in a country occupied by four different foreign powers at the same time. Else you would know what signs like "You're now entering the Allied occupation zone..." or "You're now entering U.S.A. territory..." mean, or how it looks like when an entire district of a major metropolis is walled off and basically part of a different culture and nation.

(I don't complain. Ok, it was awkward to have to pay in dollars, but the Cincinnati movie theatre showed Hollywood blockbusters way before they came into our cinemas, th base had a Burger Kind and Taco Bell, I could order D&D stuff over at the PX.)

Peelee

2018-12-24, 08:03 PM

Peelee.... I like you
Hooray!

you lack the experience of growing up in a country occupied by four different foreign powers at the same time.
Absolutely correct. I'll totally cop to being wrong on that in certain places prior to '91, for example. Mea culpa.

Mith

2018-12-25, 12:51 AM

Merry Christmas from the Thawing North (we are pretty much 15 C warmer than this time last year.)

Anonymouswizard

2018-12-25, 04:23 AM

Merry Christmas to all around the world! Unfortunately the carrollers wouldn't leave until we have them all our figgy pudding.

Florian

2018-12-25, 04:55 AM

You actually _do_ want to end this festive days and possibly the end of this years with jokes about UK cuisine, it seems? If we're not talking about Heston Blumenthal-Level steak and kidney pies, you prolly have committed a major sin to your fellow (wo)men by handing out pudding. (That said, I feel sorta-kinda guilty writing those jokes while I'm actually in the middle of preparing a Shepards Pie - good comfort food. Mary Christmas, island monkey)

Peelee

2018-12-25, 07:19 AM

Happy Christmas! It's present time!

factotum

2018-12-25, 07:27 AM

You actually _do_ want to end this festive days and possibly the end of this years with jokes about UK cuisine, it seems?

Anonymouswizard's joke refers to the second and third verses of the Christmas carol "We wish you a merry Christmas", not UK cuisine generally.

Florian

2018-12-25, 07:57 AM

My shift is beginning soon and I'm determined to fool around a bit with the pilot plan and left overs to keep myself from going crazy with boredom.
IPAs are normally not my thing, but I think I´ll try my hand at a batch to keep myself busy. I want something with a high drinkability value and quick to produce, so possibly drinkable at around new years eve.
Haven't looked yet, so going from the top of my head, but I think we still have a sack of Red X floating around a a generous amount of samples from USAHops that I sacked at the last trade fair.

So, basic plan: 90/10 mix of Red X and CaraRed malt (Red X is a speciality malt that is more or less basic Pilsener, but gives a striking red color). Target gravity in the lower 1012 region, but add enough muscovado sugar to raise ABV from 4,2% to around 6% (roughly refined cane sugar, pretty interesting side aromas). I think I'm going for a "triple triple", meaning Azacca, Citra and Magnum in early and late boiling, as well as in whirlpool. With that very short time-table, dry-hopping simply is not an option. I also think that I'm going for a pretty dry taste, so I think US-05 is the way to go. Why red? It´s a funny Italian custom that it brings luck when wearing something red on new years eve. Why not drink something red instead?

@Peelee:

Ah, you guys don't celebrate Christmas on the eve of the 24th but in the morning of the 25th, right?

Anonymouswizard's joke refers to the second and third verses of the Christmas carol "We wish you a merry Christmas", not UK cuisine generally.

*Points to the General Food thread*

Peelee

2018-12-25, 08:06 AM

@Peelee:

Ah, you guys don't celebrate Christmas on the eve of the 24th but in the morning of the 25th, right?

Yep. Some people do a single gift on Christmas Eve with the rest on the 25th, or open the stockings on Christmas Eve. I, specifically, also do St. Nick's Day on December 6, where we leave our shoes out the night before, but I don't think many around here are half Austrian.

Dimonite

2018-12-25, 10:20 AM

Yep. Some people do a single gift on Christmas Eve with the rest on the 25th, or open the stockings on Christmas Eve. I, specifically, also do St. Nick's Day on December 6, where we leave our shoes out the night before, but I don't think many around here are half Austrian.

We do an immediate family Christmas on the 23rd, an extended family celebration on the 24th, and stocking gifts on the 25th. Three Christmases! (With a potential for a fourth if I ever get married)

Tvtyrant

2018-12-25, 12:16 PM

Yep. Some people do a single gift on Christmas Eve with the rest on the 25th, or open the stockings on Christmas Eve. I, specifically, also do St. Nick's Day on December 6, where we leave our shoes out the night before, but I don't think many around here are half Austrian.
My family has the different branches meet on Christmas Eve and Christmas respectively, due to size. Irish Catholic familes and we all live in the same region.

Peelee

2018-12-25, 12:26 PM

Irish Catholic familes

Ah. Big. Big families. Gotcha. :smallwink:

LaZodiac

2018-12-25, 12:56 PM

Christmas time! Here are the gifts I got.

Gurumin: A Monster Adventure,
A nice poem, from Blue

Pharaonic,
Frozen Corext,
Enter the Gungeon, from Rebecca

Flinthook, from Trobby and Hazy

Battle Chef Brigade, from Deme

Forgotten Anne, from Teddy

Pankapu, from Knight

Final Fantasy 13, from HT

Fantasy General,
Everspace, from Good Ole Games for some reason???

2x Kindersurprise Egg
After Eight mints
6x Lifesavers
Orange Tic-Tacts
Toothbrush and Toothpase, from my stocking.

Pokemon Let's Go
Diablo 3 Switch
Spyro Reignited
Another good ass router since Mom stole mine, from Dad and sister

HalfTangible

2018-12-25, 01:20 PM

Merry Christmas!!

Swag (excluding white elephant gifts for this year)
-125 dollars in various gift cards (visa, AMC and Steam)
-50 bucks cash
-10 shirts with varying degrees of snark and nerdery
-A new wallet
-3 vidya games of my choosing
-3 convention visits
-A split-screen monitor with 4k (not here yet, but I am a HappyTangible regardless)
-First 3 seasons of Game of Thrones
-Industrial strength flashlight with emergency flasher
-Civ 6 for the Switch
-Houston Astros shirt
-The Witcher 3 (thank you Zodi)

Jon_Dahl

2018-12-25, 02:52 PM

I just wanted to say that I enjoy studying a lot more than working and I hope that I can return back to the university once I get my MA degree, which is going to happen soon.

Peelee

2018-12-25, 04:31 PM

Christmas time! Here are the gifts I got.

Pokemon Let's Go

You can't say that without saying which one. I hope it's Eevee, it's way better.

LaZodiac

2018-12-25, 05:02 PM

You can't say that without saying which one. I hope it's Eevee, it's way better.

Legit forgot to say that.

Anyway, in answer: https://twitter.com/The_Zodi_Lady/status/1077639438430162945

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-25, 05:13 PM

Merry Christ all! I just got bach from My Brother in law and sister's place.

Swag:

Lots of nice soft wool socks!
A nice pocket knife
A quantum brand head lamp

I finally got to give way more then what I received, for the first time ever!

Bartmanhomer

2018-12-25, 05:26 PM

Merry Christmas everybody. Even through it hasn't been a best Christmas for me. My family and I are hanging in there. :frown:

Anonymouswizard

2018-12-25, 05:54 PM

If we're sharing swag then my haul includes:
-Amazon Echo (need to be delinked so they can use my account)
-Tank on Tank: West Front (hoped for the East front to tease my crush with, but I think my dad and I went to the same shop)
-GURPS: Ultra-Tech
-Socks
-Coffee Mug
-An apple
-A couple of days ago my crush gave me a copy of Pandemic: Legacy

Peelee

2018-12-25, 05:59 PM

-An apple

I choose to believe a gala. Or fuji.

Anonymouswizard

2018-12-25, 06:09 PM

I choose to believe a gala. Or fuji.

Whatever the neighbour grows :smalltongue:

In all seriousness, it's because there were no satsumas in the house.

SZbNAhL

2018-12-25, 06:29 PM

Merry Christmas everybody. Even through it hasn't been a best Christmas for me. My family and I are hanging in there. :frown:

Sorry to hear that. Hope you have a better next year.

Bartmanhomer

2018-12-25, 06:40 PM

Sorry to hear that. Hope you have a better next year.

Thanks. I already mentioned this at the Personal Woes And Advice thread already.

enderlord99

2018-12-25, 08:01 PM

Why doesn't Spelunky let you start with four lamp-oils?

HalfTangible

2018-12-25, 08:03 PM

Qwertystop

2018-12-25, 08:25 PM

I don't do Christmas, but between Chanukkah and birthday:
- Gift card (GameStop)
- headphones
- frame for a poster (https://www.gamelife.com/rare-club-nintendo-exclusive-pikmin-photo-poster-new/) (not my photo) that I've had for a while and not wanted to put up without a frame
- Breadbox
- Set of fountain pens + calligraphy practice book
- Big flashdrive

Peelee

2018-12-25, 08:42 PM

About done for the day.

Motorcycle jacket
Motorcycle gloves
Motorcycle helmet*
Motorcycle boots*
Echo Dot (silver)
X-Wing C-ROC cruiser
Switch**
Lets Go Eevee**
Star Fox Zero
Shadow of Mordor 2
Dedicated computer to act as a Plex server so I don't have to stream from my friend's
Cash, gift cards, and sundries

*from myself
**got it early

Loot-wise, super-fun Christmas. Food-wise, super fun Christmas (wife and I tried to make a bread pudding. It came out well). Most other aspects-wise, a super fun Christmas.

I don't do Christmas, but between Chanukkah and birthday:

L'chaim! Ad meah v’esrim! Dunno if the first is appropriate for birthdays, so thought I'd throw that in just in case.

2D8HP

2018-12-26, 12:22 AM

....Swag....

...Swag...

...swag...
-A couple of days ago my crush gave me a copy of Pandemic: Legacy

!!!

....between Chanukkah and birthday:...

...Loot...

Okay, in hard plunder I've received nada, but a hug, day off work, and a chocolate cream pie came my way which isn't too shabby, 'sides with my VAST FINANCIAL HOLDINGS!!! what could I get that I lack ('cept the pint, sandwich, and hammock I continually plead for!).

But in my BENEFICENCE I've given my mom a copy of The Mortal Word by Genevieve Cogman, and I got my son The Annotated Hobbit by J.R.R. Tolkien, Annotated by Douglas A. Anderson, The Golden Age Batman Volume One from Detective Comics, and ]The Books of Earthsea The Complete Illustrated Edition by Ursula K. Let Guin Illustrated by Charles Vess, and we ordered a new clothes washer to replace our old one, plus a gas dryer which we've never before had.

Most exciting for me was I found time to dust off some of my old books and read again some stories by Robert E.Howard, Clark Ashton Smith, and Michael Moorcock this week.

In celebration, here's the http://www.giantitp.com/comics/images/oots0187.gif

Algeh

2018-12-26, 01:55 AM

Two things from this thread I am choosing to deliberately misinterpret to be more entertaining:

I found two Sky controllers in a drawer.

Also, ship captains can't marry you. The Navy in particular is very vocal about this.

Christmas stuff:

@Peelee:

Ah, you guys don't celebrate Christmas on the eve of the 24th but in the morning of the 25th, right?

Yep. Some people do a single gift on Christmas Eve with the rest on the 25th, or open the stockings on Christmas Eve. I, specifically, also do St. Nick's Day on December 6, where we leave our shoes out the night before, but I don't think many around here are half Austrian.

We do an immediate family Christmas on the 23rd, an extended family celebration on the 24th, and stocking gifts on the 25th. Three Christmases! (With a potential for a fourth if I ever get married)

My family has the different branches meet on Christmas Eve and Christmas respectively, due to size. Irish Catholic familes and we all live in the same region.

Growing up, my family always did the big family celebrations on Christmas eve, with stockings and "Santa presents" on Christmas morning. (Santa would always fill stockings, leave a present for kids, and then leave a "family present" or two, which were usually board games or jigsaw puzzles. Christmas eve presents were from specific people rather than Santa.)

After my parents divorced, I grew up and got in a serious-enough relationship (or two) of my own to need to spend holidays together (since faded), and life generally moved on, we seem to have settled into having Christmas eve brunch at mom's house, Christmas eve dinner at dad's house, and then staying at dad's to do stockings and waffles on Christmas morning.

I used to have the tradition of "sneaking" out of the house in the middle of the night on Christmas eve to go see my complicated-relationship-friend (this tradition started when we were teenagers decades ago - his parents live about a mile away from my dad - and has continued through a variety of life situations ever since more or less regardless of what else was going on with the two of us), but he didn't text me this year and has been generally non-communicative for a while now so I don't know what to think. That's more for one of the Woes threads, though. Not sure it's really worth explaining in detail.

We also always did an Advent calendar counting down to Christmas. As a kid, my mom sewed one with felt pockets she'd fill with little trinkets herself, and at some point that changed to getting a Lego one instead, which I still do because hey, Lego. I'd get one of those for every month if they made them that way.

My haul this year:

2 Stan Rogers CDs
4 Barbara Hambly books
Math with Bad Drawings book
4 pack of Cavatica stout
Slippers
Whiskey
Nintendo Switch with Mario Odyssey (looking for recommendations for other games to get - I really wasn't expecting this and haven't owned a console since the Wii and the DS, so am totally out of the loop on things I might want (I prefer stuff with a fixed camera perspective, so I hadn't been in any hurry to get a new console))
Really nice socks in the wrong size (which is only weird because my dad and I have almost the same size feet so he should really be able to remember what size socks I wear - my feet are a half shoe size smaller and a single width wider than his)

I'm now finally back home and spending the evening listening to my large collection of Christmas Music That No One Else Wants To Listen To With Me. My Christmas music collection falls into three broad categories: albums of stuff I enjoyed from back when I sang in choirs and so picked up recordings of, albums I bought from various filker/geek/etc musicians at some point (many of which are also recordings of traditional stuff that I remember from back when I sang), and albums I bought back when I was really into anime and bought Japanese import CDs. I can sometimes get takers for select things from the first two groups, but no one else I see around Christmas wants to listen to, say, the various Digimon Christmas albums with me.

Tvtyrant

2018-12-26, 02:13 AM

I got clothes and gave books, so it was much like every Christmas.

Two sweater vests
6 pairs of underwear
6 pairs of socks
2 pairs of shirts
1 pair of pants
A coat
A hoody

I gave buographies of Winston Churchill, Ulysses Grant, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, and Michelle Obama's new book as well as some reading lamps.

DataNinja

2018-12-26, 02:30 AM

For myself this year, it was mostly cash, with some other stuff like socks and underwear tossed in. So, that'll mostly go towards any normally 'guilty' purchases that I might do throughout the year. Not that I have many of those, but, it's nice to have the option.

Honestly, though, I am so glad that the season's over. With my birthday, my grandfather's birthday, and Christmas, combined with celebrating two of those three with both sides of my family, and having a separate Christmas-eve dinner and Christmas-day celebration at my mom's place... I am entirely burnt out of family. About six gatherings/events over the course of 10 days. I was done about three events ago. Now I just want to have zero proximity to anyone for about a week to recharge. :smallsigh:

Teddy

2018-12-26, 10:14 AM

This year's present haul was quite meager, at least in part due to my parents' inability to communicate efficiently with my aunt leading us to not bring any presents up to Ancestral Farm to "avoid feelings of unfairness". I think they're silly and lazy, none of us kids are below 18 any longer, and we didn't have any trouble handling all the communication failures of past Christmases, but I did not want to ruin the mood by pressing the issue two days before Christmas. So, my list of the year looks like this:

The World of Moominvalley by Philip Ardagh - An about book on the world and characters of the Mooming books
Nordic Myths by Neil Gaiman - However, I already got this one last year
Into the Breach - from Zodi

Kyrell1978

2018-12-26, 12:22 PM

Present Haul:

1) Athlean Xblox-(every dumbbell from 5lb to 90 lb in 2.5 lb increments). Yay!
2) Physioball
3) Kettle Bell
4) Clothes
5) First 3 books of the Expanse series.
6) Non specific sentimental things from my Children

Pretty good deal as far as I am concerned.

Mith

2018-12-26, 01:25 PM

Two things from this thread I am choosing to deliberately misinterpret to be more entertaining:

Christmas stuff:

Growing up, my family always did the big family celebrations on Christmas eve, with stockings and "Santa presents" on Christmas morning. (Santa would always fill stockings, leave a present for kids, and then leave a "family present" or two, which were usually board games or jigsaw puzzles. Christmas eve presents were from specific people rather than Santa.)

After my parents divorced, I grew up and got in a serious-enough relationship (or two) of my own to need to spend holidays together (since faded), and life generally moved on, we seem to have settled into having Christmas eve brunch at mom's house, Christmas eve dinner at dad's house, and then staying at dad's to do stockings and waffles on Christmas morning.

I used to have the tradition of "sneaking" out of the house in the middle of the night on Christmas eve to go see my complicated-relationship-friend (this tradition started when we were teenagers decades ago - his parents live about a mile away from my dad - and has continued through a variety of life situations ever since more or less regardless of what else was going on with the two of us), but he didn't text me this year and has been generally non-communicative for a while now so I don't know what to think. That's more for one of the Woes threads, though. Not sure it's really worth explaining in detail.

We also always did an Advent calendar counting down to Christmas. As a kid, my mom sewed one with felt pockets she'd fill with little trinkets herself, and at some point that changed to getting a Lego one instead, which I still do because hey, Lego. I'd get one of those for every month if they made them that way.

My haul this year:

2 Stan Rogers CDs
4 Barbara Hambly books
Math with Bad Drawings book
4 pack of Cavatica stout
Slippers
Whiskey
Nintendo Switch with Mario Odyssey (looking for recommendations for other games to get - I really wasn't expecting this and haven't owned a console since the Wii and the DS, so am totally out of the loop on things I might want (I prefer stuff with a fixed camera perspective, so I hadn't been in any hurry to get a new console))
Really nice socks in the wrong size (which is only weird because my dad and I have almost the same size feet so he should really be able to remember what size socks I wear - my feet are a half shoe size smaller and a single width wider than his)

I'm now finally back home and spending the evening listening to my large collection of Christmas Music That No One Else Wants To Listen To With Me. My Christmas music collection falls into three broad categories: albums of stuff I enjoyed from back when I sang in choirs and so picked up recordings of, albums I bought from various filker/geek/etc musicians at some point (many of which are also recordings of traditional stuff that I remember from back when I sang), and albums I bought back when I was really into anime and bought Japanese import CDs. I can sometimes get takers for select things from the first two groups, but no one else I see around Christmas wants to listen to, say, the various Digimon Christmas albums with me.

Stan Rogers CDs will always get a thumbs up from me. You could add "First Christmas" to your list of Christmas songs. Although it is pretty depressing, so maybe not the best choice.

I'm looking into getting cross country skis at some point as a birthday/Christmas gift. I also got a Bernard Cornwall book and a comedic summary of various classics.

Durkoala

2018-12-26, 01:25 PM

The World of Moominvalley by Philip Ardagh - An about book on the world and characters of the Mooming books.

Assuming this is the Philip Ardargh I'm thinking of (Children's author who wrote among other things, a series that was basically A Series of Unfortunate Events on antidepressents), that's a odd combination. Still, hope you all had good Christmases!

Florian

2018-12-26, 01:55 PM

Growing up, my family always did the big family celebrations on Christmas eve, with stockings and "Santa presents" on Christmas morning. (Santa would always fill stockings, leave a present for kids, and then leave a "family present" or two, which were usually board games or jigsaw puzzles. Christmas eve presents were from specific people rather than Santa.)

The 24th is usually a working day in Germany, with the exception that actually next to no company is open the full working hours.

It also used to be customary that the Christmas tree itself only gets decorated on the 24th, not earlier.

Basically, the eve was more or less always a four stage affair:
- Parents come home from work, start the whole preparation, distract the children and do the tree.
- Regular lunch time is a very solemn affair with only the innermost family circle present, quite humble food (in our case, it was always influenced by the regional cuisine and culture of my grandmother and my parents, so polish carp soup and bavarian roast beef)
- At 22:00, it´s time to meet up with the rest of the family clan and head to the traditional x-mas mass in church.
- Afterwards, with around 30 people present, we alternated between raclette and fondue and celebrated to unpacking of the more elaborate presents together.

The 25th was usually a lazy day that we all came together and deal with the left-overs. For example, as we did not only do the oil-based fondue, but also the soup-based ones, we basically had pot au feu, pho bo and stuff.

Well, that time is over. My family is basically a pack of hungry and vicious hyena, a key moment four years ago managed to shatter any pretense at unity.

Ok, swag this year:

- A new coat and hat (Yes, I wear hats)
- A massive delivery of cat food and litter sand
- A good number of books I wanted to read but never came around to (Mainly Wagenknecht, Fukuyama, Huntington)
- Three totally weird cases of over-engineered hard liquors

Peelee

2018-12-26, 03:29 PM

- A new coat and hat (Yes, I wear hats)

https://hollandhats.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/BF6341_LUSH.jpg

Dimonite

2018-12-27, 11:38 AM

Stan Rogers CDs will always get a thumbs up from me.

Ditto :smallbiggrin:

As for myself, I got:
-6 DCAU movies
-1 Smash-Up expansion (Oops, you did it again!)
-1 "Klondike" hoodie
-I, Frankenstein on DVD

LaZodiac

2018-12-28, 08:45 AM

-I, Frankenstein on DVD

Dying.

God, what...what a movie that was.

Dimonite

2018-12-28, 10:22 AM

Dying.

God, what...what a movie that was.

I'm not certain whether this is compliment or criticism, but I want to be clear that I like the movie (which is why my brother got it for me)! It has:
-the most accurate portrayal of the monster of any Frankenstein movie I've seen
-Really gorgeous effects
-Yvonne Strahovski

tyckspoon

2018-12-28, 01:52 PM

I'm not certain whether this is compliment or criticism, but I want to be clear that I like the movie (which is why my brother got it for me)! It has:
-the most accurate portrayal of the monster of any Frankenstein movie I've seen
-Really gorgeous effects
-Yvonne Strahovski

It's a terrible movie. It's ..rather imaginatively terrible, tho. I pretty much stopped taking it seriously (not that I was able to take it very seriously before the scene) when they went down into the Gargoyle-Angel's Vault of Secret Weapons and experienced immediate memories of Xiao Lin Showdown.

Recherché

2018-12-28, 08:46 PM

Insane Jeenyus

2018-12-28, 08:50 PM

booze guns and ammo, because nothing screams safe then that of a drunk handling a loaded weapon.

halfeye

2018-12-28, 09:00 PM

I just found a store in Toronto that sells perfume and fireworks. Seriously that they're thing, discount perfumes and discount bulk fireworks. Anyone else have any other stores with really bizarre combinations of products?

Perfume is often flammable isn't it?

They can't sell fireworks here outside of bonfire night season.

2D8HP

2018-12-28, 09:27 PM

...any other stores with really bizarre combinations of products?

Decades ago on Euclid and Hearst in Berkeley, California there was an ice cream parlour that also sold used books.

I remember getting a copy of Doomsday 1999 by Paul MacTyre and a cone of mint chip ice cream.

Teddy

2018-12-28, 10:04 PM

Recherché

2018-12-28, 10:25 PM

This is a whole stereotype for rural northern Sweden, and (according to the stereotype) they're all named "<owner>'s <product1> and <product2>" (except in Swedish). An often cited example is "Lelles Ved och Porr", literally "Lelle's Firewood and Porn", but there are tons of other weird examples, like kennel and kebab, or meat and welding...

-starts wondering if the Toronto store is owned by a Swede-

DataNinja

2018-12-28, 10:30 PM

Well, I'm glad that my family's not going to be doing anything for New Years. I'm just finally recovering mentally from all the other holiday season events in such a short time. I have no idea how some people do it. Superheroes, the lot of them. :smalltongue:

In other news: I've been spending probably far too much time playing FTL, after remembering that the Discord Nitro month I was gifted came with access to some games for free. So, uh... oops?

factotum

2018-12-28, 11:13 PM

Perfume is often flammable isn't it?

They can't sell fireworks here outside of bonfire night season.

That's not quite true--there are three other times of year you can buy fireworks from regular vendors (between Christmas and New Year, and three days before Diwali and Chinese New Year), and outside of those times you can still get fireworks, but you have to buy them from specially licensed shops.

Bartmanhomer

2018-12-28, 11:15 PM

Ok alignment question:

I'm Chaotic Good. Let say a friend of mine died by an accident. One of the my friend who happen to be a jerk which he said horrible things about my friend which I was very offended by anger so I punch him in the face. Would my alignment change to Chaotic Neutral or some other alignment?

Algeh

2018-12-29, 12:41 AM

I just found a store in Toronto that sells perfume and fireworks. Seriously that they're thing, discount perfumes and discount bulk fireworks. Anyone else have any other stores with really bizarre combinations of products?

This is a whole stereotype for rural northern Sweden, and (according to the stereotype) they're all named "<owner>'s <product1> and <product2>" (except in Swedish). An often cited example is "Lelles Ved och Porr", literally "Lelle's Firewood and Porn", but there are tons of other weird examples, like kennel and kebab, or meat and welding...

You see some odd things in small towns sometimes. When I lived in a small logging town, the hardware store also sold liquor, because nothing says "guess I'll be making my own fun this weekend" like picking up a new chainsaw and a bottle of whiskey...(this was the only place in town to buy hard liquor).

I also remember a shop a few blocks from my house (in a much larger town) when I was a kid that sold bicycles and British import goods. I used to go there and buy Wine Gums. (I think this was a husband and wife compromise on what kind of shop they wanted to run.)

Florian

2018-12-29, 01:02 AM

Anyone else have any other stores with really bizarre combinations of products?

We have a retail chain that specializes in selling industrial overproduction (as in, when a company orders 90 tons of pasta, it´s often cheaper for the subcontractor to produce 100 tons, as their machinery is calibrated this way, then sell the 10 leftover ton to that retail chain). That means that while they have a rapidly changing stock, some of the new entries will always dominate the store. Last time I was there, it was the combination of pasta, czech beer and BBQ grills, the time before that, it was canned tuna, cheap posters and sacks of potatoes. It´s always quite a bizarre experience.

Oh, and we have a rather bizarre combination going in my region. For whatever reason, flower shops and gardening retail chains got a special permit to open shop on sundays and holidays. That led to the "flowers, Ichibana, cigarettes and booze" situation. I buy my cigarettes and russian vodka at a vietnamese flower shop, don't you, too?

@Algeh:

Booze sells. When a town doesn't have a dedicated liquor store, somebody will notice the opportunity there and try to make a good side business based on it. Could also have been the barber shop.

@Homer:

That's still not how alignment works. All it does is make you a jerk with bad impulse control. While one should not speak ill of the dead, the dead also don't care a bit.