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Lord Iames Osari
2007-09-23, 12:32 AM
Or will she even still be around?

kpenguin
2007-09-23, 12:34 AM
I think new iconics will be created. Whether the next female elf will be like Mialee has yet to be seen.

Raistlin1040
2007-09-23, 12:38 AM
I hope not. I agree with Kpenguin though. They'll probably make new icons.

*Hopes they sacked Tordek*

Tengu
2007-09-23, 12:41 AM
I think she'll be replaced by another "beautiful" female elven arcane caster.
http://www.otherlandtoys.co.uk/images/product_images/Collectibles/crone.gif

kpenguin
2007-09-23, 12:42 AM
Elf wizards aren't supposed to be beautiful, not with all those min-maxers out there dumping charisma.

Jade_Tarem
2007-09-23, 12:44 AM
I think she'll be replaced by another "beautiful" female elven arcane caster.
http://www.otherlandtoys.co.uk/images/product_images/Collectibles/crone.gif

Still looks better than that shot of Mialee in Heroes of Horror.

Hadrian_Emrys
2007-09-23, 12:53 AM
Still looks better than that shot of Mialee in Heroes of Horror.

Hell, Krusk looks better period. At least he isn't a grotesque abomination compared to his race's entry in the PHB. :smalltongue:

TheOOB
2007-09-23, 01:13 AM
Perhaps the new female iconic elf will acually wear clothing that is effective in battle.

SurlySeraph
2007-09-23, 01:17 AM
@^ Clothing that is practical in battle? BLASHPHEMY! If everyone thought like you, we'd have no spellcasters wearing gauze, no fighters with armor that conforms to their breasts, no thieves in excessively tight leather, no chain mail bikinis.

You nearly brought all female characters in DnD crashing down there. :smallwink:

starwoof
2007-09-23, 01:21 AM
*Hopes they sacked Tordek*

I hope they don't. Tordek was my first character. :smallfrown:

OzymandiasVolt
2007-09-23, 01:29 AM
Mialee is only hideous MOST of the time. :smallwink:

ocato
2007-09-23, 01:55 AM
I love Tordek and Mialee and Regdar, Jozan and Lidda, the whole gang, but I realize its almost entirely because of the PHB PSAs.

"Why do you like Dungeons and dragons? Well, I don't. Dungeons, Sh*t tries to kill you. Dragons, Sh*t tries to kill you. Why can't we just play give Regdar a hummer and a burrito?"

OzymandiasVolt
2007-09-23, 01:58 AM
Where might one find these PSAs? That is, section or page number.

ocato
2007-09-23, 02:00 AM
Search youtube, it's a video joke thing some guys did where they pretend to be characters from the PHB. If you don't care for swears/sexually suggestive stuffs, I don't suggest it.

RTGoodman
2007-09-23, 02:14 AM
According a 4E preview article (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drdd/20070905a) on the Wizards page, elves in 4E are going to be the more nature-oriented type. In 3.x, they're trying to fill two roles simultaneously - defenders of the ancient forest, and yet also defenders of ancient arcane lore. According to the article, the "nature" part is going to elves, while the "arcane" part may be given to their relatives the eladrin (which may or may not be anything like they're 3.x namesakes, especially considering the article says they're fans of "reason, intellect, [and] debate."

So really, I can't see Mialee joining us as a 4E Iconic character. That is, unless the article is misleading (and elves will still prefer to be wizards) or she's rebuilt as an eladrin (whatever that is).

I, for one, would not mind keeping some of the Iconics. I'd like to see at least Krusk, Gimble, and Lidda stick around.

Greenfaun
2007-09-23, 02:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=CreativeJuices7&p=r

That's the user who made all the PHB PSA's. There's two or three unrelated videos too, but it's all the PSA's.

As for mialee, meh. We might have to expect an iconic Eladrin Wizard for 4E. Also, I'm predicting the female tiefling rogue to be the most controversial attractivenesswise. :)

Dhavaer
2007-09-23, 02:18 AM
They've released an illustration of a human, dwarf, halfling and elf who are presumably a stab at new Iconics. The elf appears to be an arcane caster, and is quite attractive. She's probably not a reimagined Mialee, though, as she's blonde.

Turcano
2007-09-23, 02:53 AM
They've released an illustration of a human, dwarf, halfling and elf who are presumably a stab at new Iconics. The elf appears to be an arcane caster, and is quite attractive. She's probably not a reimagined Mialee, though, as she's blonde.

Well, that's good to hear. I don't know why 3rd Edition thought elves should have Down's Syndrome as a defining feature.

KIDS
2007-09-23, 03:14 AM
Elf wizards aren't supposed to be beautiful, not with all those min-maxers out there dumping charisma.

Quoted for Truth... :smallsmile:

But otherwise yeah, I was shocked by how ugly Mialee was presented everywhere (and yes she dumped charisma but charisma 9 doesn't equal a frickin ghoul) so I really hope that she will be remade for $th edition. The players deserve it, so far the only illustration made of more fail is the Complete Mage Cover.

AslanCross
2007-09-23, 03:17 AM
Well, the two fighters and the rogue in this screencap still remind me of Tordek, Regdar and Lidda, but the elf wizard sure looks different.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/AslanCross/DnDCampaign/NewIconics.jpg
And is certainly more attractive than Mialee. (The big hair was rather strange)

Glyphic
2007-09-23, 03:32 AM
Looking at that picture, I can't help but think "Gauntlet".

Dhavaer
2007-09-23, 03:47 AM
so far the only illustration made of more fail is the Complete Mage Cover.

I liked the Complete Mage cover.

KIDS
2007-09-23, 03:52 AM
Sorry then. It was too gender-amorphous for me I daresay... or this humorous quote from one other review... but your choice, I support you :)

Oh, ****. The cover. This is even worse than Mr T the cleric. Oh, ****. I'm going to have nightmares about the albino ambiguously gendered ferretmancer. Seriously, is it a guy or a girl? I think I spot breasts, but the face is very masculine... and the hair, ***. It looks like a freaking Twi'lek!

kpenguin
2007-09-23, 03:58 AM
Quoted for Truth... :smallsmile:

But otherwise yeah, I was shocked by how ugly Mialee was presented everywhere (and yes she dumped charisma but charisma 9 doesn't equal a frickin ghoul) so I really hope that she will be remade for $th edition. The players deserve it, so far the only illustration made of more fail is the Complete Mage Cover.

Yeah well, it's a good deterrent against players dumping their CHA.

DM: Wait? You're putting the 6 into Charisma?
Player: Yeah. Charisma's a dumb stat anyway.
DM: Okay then, your character looks like Mialee... on a bad hair day... after a botched plastic surgery
Player: NOOOOOOOOO!

tsuyoshikentsu
2007-09-23, 04:46 AM
It looks like a freaking Twi'lek!]

Twi'leks are hot.

Attilargh
2007-09-23, 05:44 AM
Wait, when did Delenn go blonde? :smallconfused:

Hzurr
2007-09-23, 06:40 AM
I just hope they don't go back to the PHB S&M theme. I mean, Lidda looked kindof hot in all leather, but by the time it got to Hennet (or whatever the sorcerer's name was), you had to stop and ask yourself "wait...does anything in life really need that many buckles?"

Crow
2007-09-23, 06:48 AM
Dude, Hennet was the man.

What was he? A human? Half-elf?

AslanCross
2007-09-23, 06:52 AM
Wait, when did Delenn go blonde? :smallconfused:

So that's who she reminded me of.

Hennet was human.

Kaelaroth
2007-09-23, 06:55 AM
Dude, Hennet was the man.

Damn right.

And no one has mentioned Vadania yet...

PlatinumJester
2007-09-23, 06:55 AM
The new DnD alumni look much cooler :smallcool:. Mialee was a freak, Redgar was crap, Mialee looked really really lame, Hennet was a freak, Gimble was a dweeb and Jozan was a spaz. The only good ones were Tordek, Lidda and the barbarian.

Mercenary Mialee and Savage Lidda from PHB2 looked cool.

Miraqariftsky
2007-09-23, 06:59 AM
Who the blazes was Gimble?

Dhavaer
2007-09-23, 07:00 AM
Gimble is the 3.5 Iconic Bard.

I thought Ember looked alright.

Crow
2007-09-23, 07:03 AM
Damn right.

And no one has mentioned Vadania yet...

She did look good as well.


I thought Ember looked alright.

Whoa!

PlatinumJester
2007-09-23, 07:12 AM
Who the blazes was Gimble?

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/re_Gimble72.jpg

He's the one that no one likes.

Dhavaer
2007-09-23, 07:15 AM
At least Gimble was drawn better than Devis. And he presumably has better taste; Devis got it on with Mialee.

Crow
2007-09-23, 07:16 AM
PlatinumJester: Dude, fix your sig.


As an Warblade, I'm pimp as hell.

Should be;


As a Warblade, I'm pimp as hell.

As it is currently written, you just look dumb as hell.

Morty
2007-09-23, 07:17 AM
And who is Devis?:smallconfused:

Dhavaer
2007-09-23, 07:21 AM
And who is Devis?:smallconfused:

The 3.0 Iconic Bard.

No one pays attentions to the poor Iconic Bards. This is what drove Devis to drink, people.

Attilargh
2007-09-23, 07:23 AM
Well, at least he has an excuse for his clothes.
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ph35_gallery/PHB35_PG105_WEB.jpg

Crow
2007-09-23, 07:30 AM
Good God...He looks like David Bowie's mutant clone.

Saph
2007-09-23, 07:36 AM
She did look good as well.

Vadania was my favourite. But I liked Alhandra, too. Plus I thought it was a cool-sounding name for a paladin.

I didn't think any of the guys looked good - Hennet maybe, but that collection of leather belts he used in place of trousers just looked ridiculous.

- Saph

AtomicKitKat
2007-09-23, 07:40 AM
That new iconic looks a little like Vadania(note the antler/horns just above her head).

Crow
2007-09-23, 07:41 AM
Vadania was my favourite. But I liked Alhandra, too. Plus I thought it was a cool-sounding name for a paladin.

I didn't think any of the guys looked good - Hennet maybe, but that collection of leather belts he used in place of trousers just looked ridiculous.

- Saph

Alhandra wasn't too bad. It seems like all the iconics I liked didn't get much "screen time".

As for Hennet: I just figured he was the frontman for their band. :smallwink:

Dhavaer
2007-09-23, 07:44 AM
Lidda looked good, even if she liked treasure a little too much.

Miraqariftsky
2007-09-23, 07:45 AM
On the Devis/Gimble issue: I agree with ye folk. Devis was indeed better.

Eh, and the Iconics I swear by are those in the THLain novels.

Talya
2007-09-23, 08:31 AM
@^ Clothing that is practical in battle? BLASHPHEMY! If everyone thought like you, we'd have no spellcasters wearing gauze, no fighters with armor that conforms to their breasts, no thieves in excessively tight leather, no chain mail bikinis.

You nearly brought all female characters in DnD crashing down there. :smallwink:

http://www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php?products_id=2579&it=1

Dhavaer
2007-09-23, 08:51 AM
http://www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php?products_id=2579&it=1

Ah, the Bride of the Portable Hole Full of Beer. It's great.

I think Soranna Anitah, from Red Hand of Doom, might have the most glaring example of a chainmail bikini.

Starsinger
2007-09-23, 09:33 AM
At least Gimble was drawn better than Devis. And he presumably has better taste; Devis got it on with Mialee.

The 3.0 Iconic Bard.

No one pays attentions to the poor Iconic Bards. This is what drove Devis to drink, people.

I'm hoping for Devis' sake that these two are related incidents..

And by the way? An entire thread for Mialee bashing? Hooray! One of the things about Sigil prep that I didn't get was when they made Mialee into a slut.. like given her choice of armor I can see her acting slutty.. but honestly, who'd want to sleep with her.

hippie_dwarf
2007-09-23, 09:42 AM
PlatinumJester: Dude, fix your sig.

As it is currently written, you just look dumb as hell.

We're in the same D&D group, he is :smallbiggrin:

Citizen Joe
2007-09-23, 09:49 AM
And by the way? An entire thread for Mialee bashing? Hooray! One of the things about Sigil prep that I didn't get was when they made Mialee into a slut.. like given her choice of armor I can see her acting slutty.. but honestly, who'd want to sleep with her.

Hazing ritual for the illusion/enchantment schools?

Starsinger
2007-09-23, 09:56 AM
Hazing ritual for the illusion/enchantment schools?

Well I mean there's hazing and then there's just sick and wrong..

jamroar
2007-09-23, 10:05 AM
The 3.0 Iconic Bard.

No one pays attentions to the poor Iconic Bards. This is what drove Devis to drink, people.

Well, at least he got more exposure than those secondary PHB iconics, Kerwyn (Human Rogue), Naull (Human Wizard) and that Dwarf Cleric guy Whatshisface.

Citizen Joe
2007-09-23, 10:08 AM
Well I mean there's hazing and then there's just sick and wrong..

Entry qualification for Lich-loved feat?

Miraqariftsky
2007-09-23, 10:12 AM
...Naull (Human Wizard)...
Hoy-ba! If'n I'm ot mistaken, Naull was featured in at least three novels!
The Savage Caves
The Return of the Damned
The Death Ray
And I tell ye true, that last oe almost made me cry.

bosssmiley
2007-09-23, 05:03 PM
Hell, Krusk looks better period. At least he isn't a grotesque abomination compared to his race's entry in the PHB. :smalltongue:

Hey! Respect Pimp Daddy Krusk (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/compscoundrel_gallery/102037.jpg)! :smallcool:

Machete
2007-09-23, 05:41 PM
Hey! Respect Pimp Daddy Krusk (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/compscoundrel_gallery/102037.jpg)! :smallcool:

I've been looking for that pic, where is it from?

*bad disco music* Give him a cane and a few levels of a certain class from a certain splatbook. Its like making Mickey Rourke into a pimp.

Hzurr
2007-09-23, 05:43 PM
Good God...He looks like David Bowie's mutated clone

No he doesn...

Wait.

...

Hmm, I think you might have a point there.

Dhavaer
2007-09-23, 05:53 PM
I'm hoping for Devis' sake that these two are related incidents..

Nope. They're not even in the same continuity. He started drinking in the PSAs because no-one respects bards. He slept with Mialee of his own free, sober will. She was drunk, though.

Mr. Moogle
2007-09-23, 06:11 PM
I thought Ember looked alright.

Wait... *looks in PHB for monk* AHH MY EYES

Mr. Moogle
2007-09-23, 06:12 PM
I've been looking for that pic, where is it from?

Complete scoundrel

Belteshazzar
2007-09-23, 06:44 PM
Apparently Krusk pity's da foo, and Devis looks like he has acquired the title of Marquis de Manstrumpet in that gold plated codpiece of his.

Ember also frightens the heck out of me in that one too. She looks like some kind of biker/dancer and her shoulders look like grapefruit. What the frick is her STR modifier.

Dhavaer
2007-09-23, 06:54 PM
Hey! Respect Pimp Daddy Krusk (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/compscoundrel_gallery/102037.jpg)! :smallcool:

Eh heh heh. 'Respect Lord Frankenpimp!'

Generic PC
2007-09-23, 07:26 PM
could someone show give the link for the picture with the new iconics? id like to see the article. or the other stuff with it.

Starsinger
2007-09-23, 08:43 PM
He slept with Mialee of his own free, sober will. She was drunk, though.

... ... he.. did... what?! http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=031216 everything Princess Sara says in this strip is how I feel about the notion that someone would do that to themselves.

TSGames
2007-09-23, 09:12 PM
And is certainly more attractive than Mialee. (The big hair was rather strange)

Haven't you ever wanted to save GP on a spell component pouch? She's got to put those components somewhere...

Dhavaer
2007-09-23, 09:15 PM
... ... he.. did... what?! http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=031216 everything Princess Sara says in this strip is how I feel about the notion that someone would do that to themselves.

He also slept with Ember, and tried to get it on with Lidda and Vadania.

Turcano
2007-09-23, 09:22 PM
Nope. They're not even in the same continuity. He started drinking in the PSAs because no-one respects bards. He slept with Mialee of his own free, sober will. She was drunk, though.

He also slept with Ember, and tried to get it on with Lidda and Vadania.

Gah! Everything is ruined forever!

Dhavaer
2007-09-23, 09:28 PM
Gah! Everything is ruined forever!

And Naull slept with Alhandra's sister.

It's like a damn soap opera.

psychoticbarber
2007-09-23, 09:32 PM
And Naull slept with Alhandra's sister.

It's like a damn soap opera.

Just stop. Stop before my ears bleed :smalltongue:.

Dhavaer
2007-09-23, 09:35 PM
Just stop. Stop before my ears bleed :smalltongue:.

I made a mistake; it was Hennet who slept with Ember, not Devis. Like I said, a damn soap opera.

TheOOB
2007-09-23, 09:40 PM
I made a mistake; it was Hennet who slept with Ember, not Devis. Like I said, a damn soap opera.

This soap opera junk reminds me of an old conversation I had with my gaming group about how half-orcs are made. It basically went like this:

An orc and a human are neighbors who go to the bar every week together to drink and have a good time. One night they both get really drunk and stumble on home to their respected wives at the wee hours of the morning. Later in the day they both wake up, realize they entered the wrong house, and silently return home, never to speak of that night ever again.

And thats how half orcs are made.

Guildorn Tanaleth
2007-09-23, 10:03 PM
I made a mistake; it was Hennet who slept with Ember, not Devis. Like I said, a damn soap opera.

Where are you getting this from? The "Mialee's Romantic Interest" thread?

Oh, no... Now that I've said it, someone will make it. What have I done? WHAT HAVE I DONE?!?!?

Dhavaer
2007-09-23, 10:13 PM
Where are you getting this from? The "Mialee's Romantic Interest" thread?

Oh, no... Now that I've said it, someone will make it. What have I done? WHAT HAVE I DONE?!?!?

No, the D&D novel series.

Starsinger
2007-09-23, 10:13 PM
Where are you getting this from? The "Mialee's Romantic Interest" thread?

Oh, no... Now that I've said it, someone will make it. What have I done? WHAT HAVE I DONE?!?!?

If it happens, it will be on your conscience...

0oo0
2007-09-23, 10:32 PM
Gah! Everything is ruined forever!

Think about purple elephants!
Think about purple elephants!

Dhavaer
2007-09-23, 10:38 PM
Think about purple elephants!
Think about purple elephants!

And now you think about Mialee having sex with purple elephants.
Everything is ruined forever!

Solo
2007-09-24, 01:08 AM
http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/ruinedforeverfinal.png




Where are you getting this from? The "Mialee's Romantic Interest" thread?

Oh, no... Now that I've said it, someone will make it. What have I done? WHAT HAVE I DONE?!?!?

By the Quantum Porn Fetish law, someone will not start a pornographic website about that very subject.

TSGames
2007-09-24, 01:34 AM
By the Quantum Porn Fetish law, someone will not start a pornographic website about that very subject.

What are you talkin' about?

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v119/7/28/515504916/n515504916_117332_4007.jpg

CockroachTeaParty
2007-09-24, 02:50 AM
...I liked Gimble. He at least wasn't scary, like Devis. Look at him, with his little dagger flip, and his smirk.

Thank the lord they're getting rid of Jozan. What a loser. His helmet was dumb. And I found it odd that even when the characters were fighting powerful enemies and running around at high levels, his mace was still a wooden stick with some metal on the end. Plus, Pelor's lame.

Really, all of the iconics were freakish. And the good ones never got any 'screen time.' I think my favorite was that Dromite with the gas mask and the cool boots. He was awesome.

kpenguin
2007-09-24, 02:51 AM
...I liked Gimble. He at least wasn't scary, like Devis. Look at him, with his little dagger flip, and his smirk.


I liked Gimble as well. His smug look fits the bard perfectly.

0oo0
2007-09-24, 02:53 AM
those were sweet boots. Did that guy ever get a name?

CockroachTeaParty
2007-09-24, 02:57 AM
No...

He probably had an awesome name though. Like Senior Boots. Or Cap'n Megaboots. Something awesome like that.

Gah! He deserves to be up here.

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/xph_gallery/80453.jpg

Fight on, nameless boots gasmask dromite. What is that gasmask for? Is it a desmodu breathing mask? The world will never know...

Jannex
2007-09-24, 03:17 AM
http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/ruinedforeverfinal.png



You, sir, win the internet.

John_D
2007-09-24, 04:39 AM
Haven't you ever wanted to save GP on a spell component pouch? She's got to put those components somewhere...

Mialee reminds me of Amy Winehouse in one of her worse moments.

Zincorium
2007-09-24, 04:46 AM
Mialee reminds me of Amy Winehouse in one of her worse moments.

Except even in her worst moments, Amy Winehouse lacks the "I just got a facelift from that friendly mindflayer in the alley" look that Mialee always seems to be sporting.

kpenguin
2007-09-24, 04:54 AM
Except even in her worst moments, Amy Winehouse lacks the "I just got a facelift from that friendly mindflayer in the alley" look that Mialee always seems to be sporting.

I suspect Mialee's mother had something more friendly with than a face lift a mind flayer...

Zincorium
2007-09-24, 04:55 AM
I suspect Mialee's mother had something more friendly with than a face lift a mind flayer...

Family doctor. I knew it :smallwink: .

AslanCross
2007-09-24, 05:11 AM
could someone show give the link for the picture with the new iconics? id like to see the article. or the other stuff with it.

Look for my post on the first page, the pic is spoilerized. It's a screencap from the 4e teaser video on the WOTC site.

bugsysservant
2007-09-24, 05:15 AM
I seriously, SERIOUSLY, didn't need to know that there are books with Mialee having sex. SERIOUSLY.

And as for Ember, while she is creepy, and can probably do things to walnuts that God did not intend to be done, you have to respect a female mellee character that actually has a visually supported strength. Most of the women fighters barely look like they could lift the armor they wear, let alone swing a sword.

Solo
2007-09-24, 07:11 AM
What are you talkin' about?

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v119/7/28/515504916/n515504916_117332_4007.jpg


http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=715#

Starbuck_II
2007-09-24, 08:15 AM
Thank the lord they're getting rid of Jozan. What a loser. His helmet was dumb. And I found it odd that even when the characters were fighting powerful enemies and running around at high levels, his mace was still a wooden stick with some metal on the end. Plus, Pelor's lame.

Pelor's also evil. Explains how Jozan used that evil spell in the PHB (tyhere is a picture to lol).


Really, all of the iconics were freakish. And the good ones never got any 'screen time.' I think my favorite was that Dromite with the gas mask and the cool boots. He was awesome.

Yeah, he was.



Fight on, nameless boots gasmask dromite. What is that gasmask for? Is it a desmodu breathing mask? The world will never know...

I think he was going to fight some Troglydytes: they do have stench.

Crow
2007-09-24, 09:25 AM
I'm still in shock that Hennet got it on with Mialee...

"Good lord man, you can do so much better!"

jamroar
2007-09-24, 11:19 AM
Pelor's also evil. Explains how Jozan used that evil spell in the PHB (tyhere is a picture to lol).


It's an artwork oversight in the 3.5 revision. Symbol of Pain didn't use to be an evil spell in 3.0 (and imo shouldn't be evil - it's just a magical taser trap when you could be putting something actually lethal, even non-magically so in its place).

The_Werebear
2007-09-24, 11:59 AM
No...

He probably had an awesome name though. Like Senior Boots. Or Cap'n Megaboots. Something awesome like that.

Gah! He deserves to be up here.

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/xph_gallery/80453.jpg

Fight on, nameless boots gasmask dromite. What is that gasmask for? Is it a desmodu breathing mask? The world will never know...

I don't think he is wearing pants though...

Maybe he just got done adventuring with Mialee. What are the stats on a half dromite?

CockroachTeaParty
2007-09-24, 12:05 PM
Dromites don't have a gender! He/she/it doesn't NEED pants. That's partially why he's so awesome. Plus... LOOK at those BOOTS!

The_Werebear
2007-09-24, 12:07 PM
Dromites don't have a gender! He/she/it doesn't NEED pants. That's partially why he's so awesome. Plus... LOOK at those BOOTS!

I don't know if that makes it worse or better...Though the boots are pretty awesome.

Kyeudo
2007-09-24, 12:23 PM
For worse or better, there are only 2 Dromites with gender per colony. They spend all their time having babies as fast as they can. Sounds like something Mialee would look into.

Roderick_BR
2007-09-24, 03:55 PM
Perhaps the new female iconic elf will acually wear clothing that is effective in battle.
And the new iconic character for sorcerers will gain actual clothes, instead of BDSM gear.

... Now I'm imagining Hennet singing "YMCA"...

Crazy_Uncle_Doug
2007-09-24, 04:15 PM
Mialee really just had a bad hairdresser, poor taste in fashion, and an inability to apply make-up in a flattering manner.

Really, if she could fix all those, she's fine.

Starbuck_II
2007-09-24, 05:15 PM
Mialee really just had a bad hairdresser, poor taste in fashion, and an inability to apply make-up in a flattering manner.

Really, if she could fix all those, she's fine.

Prestigidation would do it...she should know it!

Cruiser1
2007-09-24, 08:09 PM
Mialee is pretty hot looking in Complete Mage. Here she is all ready to lay the smackdown with a Prismatic Bow:

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/compmage_gallery/100504.jpg

Glyphic
2007-09-24, 08:18 PM
Her looking 'hot' in this picture recovers a few mistakes.

1) She lost "Those Damn Pants Things"; They serve very little function. Most ill-conceived leg wear ever, second to knee socks.

2) Her hair. It's still big, yeah. But it's not outrageous. It's sleek and has hair faeries taking care of it.

3) She doesn't look extremely insecure. One of her biggest troubles, is she's always looking terrified or out of place. She's composed.

4) She's holding a kickass bow. Kickass.


That said, her face still looks weird. And I don't mean the ears.
Personally, I think her best shot is when she isn't colored in. Aka; the "all-female" portrait that compares weight/height of the core classes in the PHB.

TO_Incognito
2007-09-24, 08:22 PM
Mialee really just had a bad hairdresser, poor taste in fashion, and an inability to apply make-up in a flattering manner.

I'm thinking she also needs to fix that thing where it looks like all her skin is melting off.

Starsinger
2007-09-24, 08:53 PM
Personally, I think her best shot is when she isn't colored in. Aka; the "all-female" portrait that compares weight/height of the core classes in the PHB.

You mean the one that's not her?

AtomicKitKat
2007-09-24, 09:09 PM
I realised what it is about her hair. That damn flat-top-and-big-sides style just doesn't help anyone in the hotness race.

Agree on the Prismatic Bow hotness.

Mialee looks better here (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/dx0504iw_nalfeshnee.jpg), for a number of reasons. Firstly, next to a Nalfeshnee, most anyone will look good. Secondly, "wild hair" beats "flat-top poodle style". Thirdly, for a skinny elf, she's got a somewhat rounded posterior.:smallbiggrin:

Epic Mialee (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/EPIC_Gallery/Gallery1/44207_C1_wizard.jpg) still looks pretty naff. Probably because the artist gave her a somewhat manly face.:smallyuk:

Something went wrong between being high level (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ph2_gallery/97122.jpg) and Epic.:smallfrown:

Never thought I'd say it, but as a Frigid Elf (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ph2_gallery/97133.jpg), she's kind of hot.:smalltongue:

These (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ph2_gallery/97152.jpg) are (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ph2_gallery/97144.jpg) alright (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ph2_gallery/97141.jpg).

SurlySeraph
2007-09-24, 09:22 PM
Thank the lord they're getting rid of Jozan. What a loser. His helmet was dumb. And I found it odd that even when the characters were fighting powerful enemies and running around at high levels, his mace was still a wooden stick with some metal on the end. Plus, Pelor's lame.

For this, we must duel to the death.


Pelor's also evil. Explains how Jozan used that evil spell in the PHB (tyhere is a picture to lol).

I must duel to the death with you, as well. Jozan is clearly actually a cleric of Hextor, trying to besmirch Pelor's good reputation. Or maybe a wizard did it.

Xuincherguixe
2007-09-24, 09:28 PM
I kind of liked that they had some ugly elves. Show that they're not all sex goddesses.

But really I'm sure that the best thing about the iconic D&D characters are the PSAs on youtube.

Turcano
2007-09-24, 09:30 PM
Mialee really just had a bad hairdresser, poor taste in fashion, and an inability to apply make-up in a flattering manner.

Really, if she could fix all those, she's fine.

No, it's the eyes as well. Elves in 3rd Edition have eyes that look just wrong. I made a diagram to illustrate:

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5554/eyesyn2.png

Dhavaer
2007-09-24, 09:33 PM
No, it's the eyes as well. Elves in 3rd Edition have eyes that look just wrong. I made a diagram to illustrate:

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5554/eyesyn2.png

There's at least one attractive woman with eyes like that.

Golthur
2007-09-24, 09:48 PM
No, it's the eyes as well. Elves in 3rd Edition have eyes that look just wrong. I made a diagram to illustrate:


http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5554/eyesyn2.png

Hmm... My eyes look more like #2 than #1. I don't know if I should be offended or not :wink:

I've never been called "freaky" over it, either.

Turcano
2007-09-24, 09:55 PM
Hmm... My eyes look more like #2 than #1. I don't know if I should be offended or not :wink:

I've never been called "freaky" over it, either.

To see what I'm referring to, go to page 16 of the PHB and judge for yourself. (It isn't in the online gallery; I checked.)

Golthur
2007-09-24, 10:01 PM
To see what I'm referring to, go to page 16 of the PHB and judge for yourself. (It isn't in the online gallery; I checked.)

Yeah, I'm at about the "half-elf" level. Luckily, I still get the extra feat :smile:

EDIT: I'd also vote that in the far-right picture, the ten-inch long nose might be a big part of the "freakiness".

EvilElitest
2007-09-24, 10:04 PM
@^ Clothing that is practical in battle? BLASHPHEMY! If everyone thought like you, we'd have no spellcasters wearing gauze, no fighters with armor that conforms to their breasts, no thieves in excessively tight leather, no chain mail bikinis.

You nearly brought all female characters in DnD crashing down there. :smallwink:

1. I'm surprised this thread has reached four pages
2. Gender equality, your mad
from,
EE

Turcano
2007-09-24, 10:08 PM
EDIT: I'd also vote that in the far-right picture, the ten-inch long nose might be a big part of the "freakiness".

Yeah; the artist deliberately tweaked with the proportions to give them a non-human look, and it succeeded (I think they reached the level of "deformed Romulan"). Unfortunately, that does bad things to the target's level of attractiveness, as humans are really good a picking out those sorts of things and find them unsettling.

bingo_bob
2007-09-24, 10:27 PM
I can't believe nobody has mentioned this one (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/dmg35_gallery/DMG35_PG16_WEB.jpg).

Frown, Mialee! Frown like you mean it!

AtomicKitKat
2007-09-24, 10:39 PM
Meh. They tried to make Elves Asian and Half-Orcs African in 3.x, doncha know? Just that they kind of extrapolated stereotypes...

Turcano
2007-09-24, 10:48 PM
If true, that's one hell of an exaggeration; only the most knuckle-dragging racists think that Asians have an eyeline that bends 70° as it intersects the nose.

Starsinger
2007-09-25, 02:46 AM
Meh. They tried to make Elves Asian and Half-Orcs African in 3.x, doncha know? Just that they kind of extrapolated stereotypes...

Then why do Elves not live in pagodas with koi ponds and rock gardens?

Turcano
2007-09-25, 02:53 AM
Then why do Elves not live in pagodas with koi ponds and rock gardens?

Maybe they do; they just use illusions to make their pagodas look like trees.

Attilargh
2007-09-25, 02:58 AM
Then why do Elves not live in pagodas with koi ponds and rock gardens?
They (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ca_gallery/85426.jpg) just might.

Also, I think Mialee (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ca_gallery/85427.jpg) just met her match.

Starsinger
2007-09-25, 03:02 AM
They (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ca_gallery/85426.jpg) just might.

Also, I think Mialee (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ca_gallery/85427.jpg) just met her match.

That first picture is a Wu Jen.. That's like saying that Humans are all Asian and parading a stream of pictures from OA.

And that second picture is Mialee.. isn't it?

Dhavaer
2007-09-25, 04:08 AM
And that second picture is Mialee.. isn't it?

Yes. Looking into a tome, horrified at an image of something possibly even more horrific than herself.

Irbis
2007-09-25, 07:28 AM
Mialee is pretty hot looking in Complete Mage. Here she is all ready to lay the smackdown with a Prismatic Bow:

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/compmage_gallery/100504.jpg

You know what is wrong in this picture?


She actually has breasts!


No, seriously: In all other pictures in this thread, she's drawn without them: that's accounting for most of her creepiness :smallsigh:

AtomicKitKat
2007-09-25, 08:19 AM
You know what is wrong in this picture?


She actually has breasts!


No, seriously: In all other pictures in this thread, she's drawn without them: that's accounting for most of her creepiness :smallsigh:

Her legs are also bent at the hip, giving her more of a "rounded bottom". She actually looks like a chick, yo!:smallbiggrin:

Edit: PHB2 Chapter 6 seems more merciful to her. From the title background (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ph2_gallery/97156.jpg), to the full page (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ph2_gallery/97180.jpg) one later on, she actually has breasts, and doesn't have such wild hair.

Crazy_Uncle_Doug
2007-09-25, 09:20 AM
The eyes I can deal with. Really, there's little about her that several ranks in Knowledge (Fashion Sense) won't fix, I'm sure.

Solo
2007-09-25, 09:50 AM
They (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ca_gallery/85426.jpg) just might.

Also, I think Mialee (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ca_gallery/85427.jpg) just met her match.

Mialee must have opened her copy of OA to the pic of tte Wu Jen

Telonius
2007-09-25, 11:31 AM
Well, the two fighters and the rogue in this screencap still remind me of Tordek, Regdar and Lidda, but the elf wizard sure looks different.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/AslanCross/DnDCampaign/NewIconics.jpg
And is certainly more attractive than Mialee. (The big hair was rather strange)

Hold on just a second there. Isn't that the Everquest Elf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:EverQuest_Box_Art.jpg)?

kamikasei
2007-09-25, 11:51 AM
Hold on just a second there. Isn't that the Everquest Elf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:EverQuest_Box_Art.jpg)?

Long blonde hair, a staff, and a yellow cloak are about it for similarities.

Starsinger
2007-09-25, 12:19 PM
You know what is wrong in this picture?


She actually has breasts!


No, seriously: In all other pictures in this thread, she's drawn without them: that's accounting for most of her creepiness :smallsigh:

Yeah she's got no breasts... Obviously she stuffed..


Yes. Looking into a tome, horrified at an image of something possibly even more horrific than herself.

I think she's looking in the PHB under Wizard.

Telonius
2007-09-25, 12:33 PM
Long blonde hair, a staff, and a yellow cloak are about it for similarities.

Similar nose shape, jawline, cheekbones, lack of eyebrows... Although I guess the bottom part of the ears are a little rounder in EQ Elf, and New Iconic Elf isn't wearing rouge. Cousins, maybe?:smallbiggrin:

TimeWizard
2007-09-25, 03:18 PM
Her name is Antonia, and they made her a red-head by EQ2. I for one am happy to adopt the "out with the old, in with the new" mentality. Jozan, Tordek, Mialee, and Regdar deserve a hero's respite.

Extra Bit: Vandania, though, was born an edition before her time, it seems.

captainswift
2007-09-25, 05:17 PM
I'm hoping for Devis' sake that these two are related incidents..

And by the way? An entire thread for Mialee bashing? Hooray! One of the things about Sigil prep that I didn't get was when they made Mialee into a slut.. like given her choice of armor I can see her acting slutty.. but honestly, who'd want to sleep with her.

If I could ink worth a dang, or my scanner captured pencils better, you'd see that party girl Sigil Prep Mialee is rather hotter than standard PHB Mialee. Well, within the confines of my artistic ability, anyway. Besides, who else was going to be the slut? Ember?

Quirinus_Obsidian
2007-09-25, 05:26 PM
Complete Champion p104 has Tarrana, a Sanctified One of Kord.

She is most decidedly more than a 10 CHA. There is no way in Hades that she has a 17 STR without a belt or or gauntlets of strength. Awesome artwork, though.

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/completechampion_gallery/104710.jpg

Hallavast
2007-09-25, 05:29 PM
I'd just like to point out that since whenever a female elf is created the fanbase expects and demands partial nudity and attractiveness, this gives further evidence that Vaarsuvius (since he has neither of these traits) is male. That's all.

Solo
2007-09-25, 05:31 PM
I'd just like to point out that since whenever a female elf is created the fanbase expects and demands partial nudity and attractiveness, this gives further evidence that Vaarsuvius (since he has neither of these traits) is male. That's all.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v422/toddsun/Blasphemy.jpg

Kaelik
2007-09-25, 05:36 PM
I'd just like to point out that since whenever a female elf is created the fanbase expects and demands partial nudity and attractiveness, this gives further evidence that Vaarsuvius (since he has neither of these traits) is male. That's all.

I'm pretty sure that Mialee demonstrates conclusively that it is either nudity or attractiveness.

Hallavast
2007-09-25, 05:44 PM
I'm pretty sure that Mialee demonstrates conclusively that it is either nudity or attractiveness.

No. Mialee is most definately the exception that proves the rule. The fanbase apparently can't stand the fact that she is quite plain looking. They obviously were expecting a more attractive female (even though this is quite beside the point of an elven wizard). So, since noone is screaming for Varsuuvius to become more beautiful, he must be male.

Solo
2007-09-25, 05:52 PM
No. Mialee is most definately the exception that proves the rule. The fanbase apparently can't stand the fact that she is quite plain looking. They obviously were expecting a more attractive female (even though this is quite beside the point of an elven wizard). So, since noone is screaming for Varsuuvius to become more beautiful, he must be male.

Calling Mialee plain looking is a gross understatement.

TimeWizard
2007-09-25, 05:52 PM
No one is expecting any Haley fanservice, QED she must be male. The wonders of single cause effect logic.

Tren
2007-09-25, 06:19 PM
Her name is Antonia, and they made her a red-head by EQ2. I for one am happy to adopt the "out with the old, in with the new" mentality. Jozan, Tordek, Mialee, and Regdar deserve a hero's respite.

Extra Bit: Vandania, though, was born an edition before her time, it seems.


The classic everquest elf was Firiona Vie, Antonia was her buxom human replacement for EQ2.

Hallavast
2007-09-25, 06:26 PM
No one is expecting any Haley fanservice, QED she must be male. The wonders of single cause effect logic.

Except Haley isn't an elf. Also, Haley displays partial nudity and is attractive within the standards of a stick figure comic strip. So you can't really compare them.

Dausuul
2007-09-25, 06:32 PM
No one is expecting any Haley fanservice, QED she must be male. The wonders of single cause effect logic.

We already got Haley fanservice. I take it you haven't read "On the Origin of PCs?" Besides, what do you call this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0035.html)? Or this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0384.html)? Even Haley's regular outfit could be construed as fanservice, though it's more likely just the Giant playing to the chain mail bikini stereotype.

As for Mialee, I suspect the original intent was to draw a clearer distinction between elves and humans, so that elves would look more like forest sprites and less like Hollywood celebrities with pointy ears. Unfortunately, the slightly cartoony style of 3E artwork did not mesh well at all with this concept, resulting in the bizarre creature we see in the Player's Handbook. And then all the other artists who drew Mialee felt they had to imitate her established appearance.

AtomicKitKat
2007-09-25, 10:10 PM
Complete Champion p104 has Tarrana, a Sanctified One of Kord.

She is most decidedly more than a 10 CHA. There is no way in Hades that she has a 17 STR without a belt or or gauntlets of strength. Awesome artwork, though.*image snip*

She's not exactly "plain", but not particularly "outstanding" either. Well, apart from being a follower of Kord, while being really lightweight(come on, look at her arms? She is either a really slim 6', or more likely, one of these 5'2 Hollywood actresses running around killing monsters twice their size), yet miraculously balancing that massive weapon on her shoulders(presumably, whatever is in her left hand is acting as a counterweight).


Even Haley's regular outfit could be construed as fanservice, though it's more likely just the Giant playing to the chain mail bikini stereotype.

Leather! Rogues never wear chainmail unless it has some kind of sound muffling, or is mithril.

Fax Celestis
2007-09-25, 10:21 PM
Let me add my contributions to this discussion.

Exhibits A through C:
http://www.lucioparrillo.com/images/wizardsjobs3.jpg

http://www.lucioparrillo.com/images/woman1.jpg

http://www.eva-widermann.de/i/115.jpg

Mialee ain't got nothin' on these.

Stormcrow
2007-09-25, 10:29 PM
Give Mialee a break, I've dated less attractive girls than her.

Fax Celestis
2007-09-25, 10:31 PM
Give Mialee a break, I've dated less attractive girls than her.

So've I. Doesn't make it any better. From all evidence, Mialee's one of those "you can never do anything right" types too.

kpenguin
2007-09-25, 10:34 PM
Give Mialee a break, I've dated less attractive girls than her.

When you walked them to the door of their homes, the Cthulhu open?:smallyuk:

Anyway, I think that Mialee, while quite a bit on the unattractive side, is meant that way because of her sucky charisma score. So, people who dump charisma, that is what your character looks like.:smallamused:

Rockphed
2007-09-26, 02:16 AM
That Kord chick is what all female art in D&D books should look like:smallamused: Confused, covered, and yet wearing tight enough clothing to entice the imagination:smallamused: And she wouldn't be that unbalanced. Either way, she probably gets supernatural strength from Kord.

It would go a very long ways toward breaking the "Creepy people" stereotype that follows D&D around.

LemonSkye
2007-09-26, 04:46 AM
There's a running joke in our gaming group that whenever WOtC commissions a picture of Mialee, one of the guidelines is that she has to look terrible. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that were the case.

Dausuul
2007-09-26, 05:29 AM
That Kord chick is what all female art in D&D books should look like:smallamused: Confused, covered, and yet wearing tight enough clothing to entice the imagination:smallamused: And she wouldn't be that unbalanced. Either way, she probably gets supernatural strength from Kord.

It would go a very long ways toward breaking the "Creepy people" stereotype that follows D&D around.

That chick is comparable to Mialee on the creepy-meter. Look at her. Her wrists and ankles are like toothpicks, and the circumference of her waist is roughly equal to that of her skull. She looks like a starvation victim with silicone-pumped breasts and a head transplant. If I were a woman looking at gaming books, I would not be reassured by the transition from Larry Elmore's half-naked but essentially healthy and well-proportioned women to a distorted Barbie-doll nightmare.

Solo
2007-09-26, 06:16 AM
Interesting enough, I know some girls who kinda (not exactly) have "wrists and ankles like toothpicks, and the circumference of her waist is roughly equal to that of her skull. She looks like a starvation victim with silicone-pumped breasts and a head transplant", but they weren't anorexic or anything, just naturally skinny.

Kioran
2007-09-26, 06:27 AM
Interesting enough, I know some girls who kinda (not exactly) have "wrists and ankles like toothpicks, and the circumference of her waist is roughly equal to that of her skull. She looks like a starvation victim with silicone-pumped breasts and a head transplant", but they weren't anorexic or anything, just naturally skinny.

Yes, but these gals wouldn´t be Fighters, or quasi-Fighters, since I, as a 6´1" male of 162 pounds and a Strenght score in the 10-12 range could send her flying with just one hand. Seriously, it´s not bad for a Wizard, Sorc or caster cleric/Favored soul, but for some quasi-martial.......
Besides, a minimum of physical fitness looks hot or would look hot on 95% of the women I know. Another point deduction for Mialee, as it happens.....

Dhavaer
2007-09-26, 06:29 AM
That chick is comparable to Mialee on the creepy-meter. Look at her. Her wrists and ankles are like toothpicks, and the circumference of her waist is roughly equal to that of her skull. She looks like a starvation victim with silicone-pumped breasts and a head transplant. If I were a woman looking at gaming books, I would not be reassured by the transition from Larry Elmore's half-naked but essentially healthy and well-proportioned women to a distorted Barbie-doll nightmare.

Y'know, I hadn't noticed just how thin that girl's torso was until you said that. I think it's the shadows. But damn, she has almost no ribcage.

Goff
2007-09-26, 06:42 AM
Give Mialee a break, I've dated less attractive girls than her.

I reckon that she gets a lot of criticism is because this is fantasy, where men are mountains of muscle and women are... excuse me I got distracted there. Nymphs aside, Mailee breaks the generic conventions of the fantasy genre by being a (non-evil) magical elven chick and not being DD with looks to die for.
I think there tend to be two camps for fantasy these days; one where people like the Conan and Red Sonja types, the other that prefers 'realism' (for wont of a better term) where not every protagonist has to be 16+ charisma. This realism clashes with what I think people are used to and often still want from their fantasy (it is fantasy after all). I'd say I'm in the middle, I like my fantasy art to be a bit sexy, but there's nothing wrong with including the Mailees and Tordeks.

Starbuck_II
2007-09-26, 08:33 AM
Give Mialee a break, I've dated less attractive girls than her.

Wow, worse than mantis girl?

Crazy_Uncle_Doug
2007-09-26, 09:51 AM
Give Mialee a break, I've dated less attractive girls than her.

I've also dated more attractive girls than Mialee. They all had distinct advantages such as:

They were human.
They were three dimensional.
They didn't depend on an artist for their appearance.
Unless I took a photograph, they wouldn't appear on paper.

Real life beats out art every time. :smalltongue:

As for the Champion of Kord: She looks like the Little Mermaid -- if the Little Mermaid decided to stop singing and damsel-in-distressing and go into butt-kicking. She's got the same red hair, and the same impossibly skinny waist.

Terumitsu
2007-09-26, 10:05 AM
Now I could throw in my two bits on this and just add to it but... Does this conversation really matter? So you don't like the art style, that happens. It really isn't that much of a big deal. Besides, I think I will say this:
:vaarsuvius: Well I'm terribly sorry I spent my lifespan unlocking the means to unravel he universe and reshape it according to my will rather than, say, jogging. It has a tendency to leave one relatively fragile.
That might have a bit to do with it...

Amphimir Míriel
2007-09-26, 10:08 AM
@^ Clothing that is practical in battle? BLASHPHEMY! If everyone thought like you, we'd have no spellcasters wearing gauze, no fighters with armor that conforms to their breasts, no thieves in excessively tight leather, no chain mail bikinis.

You nearly brought all female characters in DnD crashing down there. :smallwink:


Two part joke on fantasy armor (read in order)

http://www.commissionedcomic.com/index.php?strip=206

http://www.commissionedcomic.com/index.php?strip=207


Now, back on topic, here's a de-uglyfied Mialee:

http://www.enworld.org/Pozas/Pictures/Iconics/mialee.jpg

She's still wearing her stupid outfit, though...

Solo
2007-09-26, 12:18 PM
Yes, but these gals wouldn´t be Fighters, or quasi-Fighters, since I, as a 6´1" male of 162 pounds and a Strenght score in the 10-12 range could send her flying with just one hand.

Keep in mind she has 9 levels of barbarian.:smallamused:

Citizen Joe
2007-09-26, 06:12 PM
I've been doing some calculations over on the Observations on Elves thread and I think I've found a justification for Mialee's appearance.

By my calculations, due to shear accidental deaths, an elven couple has to produce between 11 and 71 children during their term as adults (age 110-175, 65 years) in order to offset the annual losses due to random bad luck. By contrast, a human couple would need between 1 and 4 children during their fertile age (15-35, 20 years).

Given that Mialee is a female, elven, wizard she likely started her adventuring career deep into the adult phase of her life. If we assume she did her duty to the elven court, she would have squeezed out like one elf child a year for 30 years before they relented and let her leave with her magical training.

I also determined that elf children outnumber the adults (in the worst case 4:1). So how would you look if you had to watch over a bunch of kids for 30 years straight, never mind popping them out like a pez dispenser.

Ralfarius
2007-09-26, 06:37 PM
Keep in mind she has 9 levels of barbarian.:smallamused:
Doesn't that just make her ridiculously slight stature even less believable?

Fax Celestis
2007-09-26, 06:48 PM
Doesn't that just make her ridiculously slight stature even less believable?

You underestimate the powers of Little-People Adrenaline.

Citizen Joe
2007-09-26, 07:04 PM
Complete Champion p104 has Tarrana, a Sanctified One of Kord.

She is most decidedly more than a 10 CHA. There is no way in Hades that she has a 17 STR without a belt or or gauntlets of strength. Awesome artwork, though.

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/completechampion_gallery/104710.jpg




I took that image and scaled it 50% larger sideways without her head looking too weird. Much better at representing a strong woman... particularly those legs.

Dhavaer
2007-09-26, 07:11 PM
I took that image and scaled it 50% larger sideways without her head looking too weird. Much better at representing a strong woman... particularly those legs.

Can you post the altered version?

Citizen Joe
2007-09-26, 07:27 PM
Here you go:
http://home.ix.netcom.com/~jpettit/PhatTarrana.jpg

Fax Celestis
2007-09-26, 07:34 PM
Extra Bit: Vandania, though, was born an edition before her time, it seems.

That's the Timeless Body class feature for you.

Dhavaer
2007-09-26, 07:36 PM
Here you go:
http://home.ix.netcom.com/~jpettit/PhatTarrana.jpg

It looks good, except the legs are a bit warped. Torso and head look fine, though, if you ignore the pixellation.

Citizen Joe
2007-09-26, 07:48 PM
I dunno, I thought the legs were the best looking part. The face is a little skewed due to the angle, but that adds to her less than stellar charisma. Women muscle mass tends to be focused in lower body, which is why they are also good at horseback riding. Men tend to have the upper body mass (excluding runners).

I would bet that her fighting style involves uppercuts where she can step up into the attack and use her whole body. As opposed to the Conan style where you just crash your weapon down on your foes.

Dhavaer
2007-09-26, 07:59 PM
I dunno, I thought the legs were the best looking part.

Her calves look fine, but her thighs seem almost balloon-like. I think it's the angle they're at.

Citizen Joe
2007-09-26, 08:18 PM
{table="head"]
Skinny spaghetti Tarrana|
PHAT Tarrana

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/completechampion_gallery/104710.jpg |http://home.ix.netcom.com/~jpettit/PhatTarrana.jpg

Creepy |
HOT! (or at least respectable)
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Starsinger
2007-09-26, 08:22 PM
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Skinny spaghetti Tarrana|
PHAT Tarrana
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/completechampion_gallery/104710.jpg |http://home.ix.netcom.com/~jpettit/PhatTarrana.jpg

Creepy |
HOT! (or at least respectable)

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Spoiler tags please puddin?

AtomicKitKat
2007-09-26, 08:53 PM
I estimate 33% might work without overstretching the head.

AtomicKitKat
2007-09-26, 09:00 PM
I estimate 33% might work without overstretching the head.

Tested by stretching from 400 width to 532, and she looked "normal". Anyone with image hosting want to try?