How Do You Get Higher Than DC 10 Knowledge Untrained?

[JNAProductions]

See title.

I'm aware of one way-Dragonfire Adept's Draconic Knowledge Invocation (+6 to knowledge checks, can make them untrained) but I'm SURE there are more ways. Can the forum help out?

Class Features
Bard-Bardic Knowledge
Investigator-Keen Recollection

Races
Magic Of Incarnum-Rilkan

Spells
Dragon 335-Loresong
Player's Guide To Fauren-Wiledskill
Lore Of The Gods

Invocations
DFA-Draconic Knowledge

Utterances
Hidden Truth

Feats
Jack Of All Trades
Breadth Of Experience (PF)
Acenstral Knowledge

[zfs]

Hidden Truth utterance is a +10 to any Knowledge check IIRC. And lets you make them untrained.

Edit: I should add that, since it's a 2nd level utterance from the Lexicon of the Evolving Mind, you can pick it up through feats. Specifically: Truename Training, Minor Utterance of the Evolving Mind (x2), Utterance of the Evolving Mind.

[NontheistCleric]

The Jack of All Trades feat (Complete Adventurer) lets you make any skill check untrained.

Simply by qualifying for the feat itself (Int 13), your average check would be 11, which is technically higher than DC 10 already, let alone the numerous methods for boosting skill checks.

[decoy73]

Bards have bardic knowledge at first level, and investigators get keen recollection at third level. Both allow for the usage of Knowledge rolls, irrespective of whether you trained.

[Kalkra]

Loresong from Dragon #335 is a level one bard and wiz/sorc spell that gives +4 competence bonus to any skill and treats it as trained.

[ColorBlindNinja]

Wieldskill is spell from the Player's Guide to Faerûn gives you half a rank in a skill, making you trained it, along with a +5 competence bonus.

[tiercel]

Rilkans (Magic of Incarnum) treat all Knowledge checks as trained and get a minor bonus to all Knowledge and bardic knowledge checks (that scales slowly with number of shaped soulmelds).

[Jack_Simth]

Note, of course, that any of the above methods can be combined with other forms of skill optimization. Divine Insight (Spell Compendium) or Improvisation (likewise) won't let you make knowledge checks untrained, but combined with something that does, they can give you a very nice bonus.

[Celestia]

If you take the feat open minded, you'll get 5 skill points that you can spend on knowledge skills, allowing you to use them as if they were trained.

[Recherché]

If you're open to Pathfinder materials there's the Breadth of Experience (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/breadth-of-experience/)feat which let's you make knowledge checks untrained and gives you a +2 on them

[NerdHut]

Races of Stone has the dwarven racial feat Ancestral Knowledge. It lets you make knowledge checks untrained no matter the DC, and you use your Wisdom modifier instead of Intelligence. It's great if you want a Dwarven Druid or Cleric (especially cloistered, for flavor) build with good knowledge skills.

[Troacctid]

Breadth of Knowledge (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/buildingCharacters/spelltouchedFeats.htm#breadthofKnowledge) feat. Make Knowledge checks untrained, and get a +1 bonus if you are trained. No frills.

[JNAProductions]

Thanks everyone, for what you've provided so far. Keep 'em coming!

[Jack_Simth]

If you take the feat open minded, you'll get 5 skill points that you can spend on knowledge skills, allowing you to use them as if they were trained.

Wouldn't that be because they ARE trained at that point, because you now have ranks in them?

[Fuzzy McCoy]

Lore of the gods spell allows you to discharge it to make an untrained knowledge check as if you were trained, and get a +5 insight bonus in the process.

[TalonOfAnathrax]

The Wedded to History feat works too, I believe.

[Zaq]

The elder spirit soulmeld (Dragon Magic) works for K: Arcana and K: History, at least.

I had thought that Dantalion helped with this, but it's just the opposite: Dantalion grants a +8 to Knowledge checks but explicitly bars you from making the checks untrained.

Using the feat Killoren Ancient lets you spend 10 minutes to make a Knowledge check with a +4 bonus, and it works "as if you were trained in the skill," even if you aren't. Races of the Wild, requires being a killoren manifesting the aspect of the ancient.

[Telonius]

Cloistered Cleric's "Lore" feature is identical to Bardic Knowledge. (It often gets forgotten next to the other goodies like skill points and an extra Domain).