Star Wars Discombobulation

[ArlEammon]

Some New Dark Siders and Sith, and Light Siders/Jedi are sent through different eras in Galactic History in this thread.

Let's see, first major change is in the Era Of The Sith Empire (Old REpublic Era), there are more Sith added to the Dark Council. First, Darth Sidious, as of Revenge of the Sith level power of the prequels, Snoke, Darth Maul, Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku), and Darth Vader. For some reason, time and space have been warped so that these Sith are absorbed into the time line as if they were native to that era. What kind of change could such Powerful Sith add to the Sith Empire?

Next. . . What kind of change could a Grand Master Luke do in the Old Republic Era, against Darth Revan, or Darth Vitiate one on one?

[Devonix]

I'd say the biggest issue is that you're treating it like adding different leveled characters in an RPG into a different place and seeing how they fight.

The biggest issue would be in how the teachings an politics of the characters interact. Different people's views on the force, Palpatine's and his ability to manipulate the polotics of the Dark Council would work wonders. Would Snoke be able to gain enough money and influence to set up another cult away from the Sith since he's not one of the Ect.

[Xyril]

Next. . . What kind of change could a Grand Master Luke do in the Old Republic Era, against Darth Revan, or Darth Vitiate one on one?

I find this phrasing kind of unclear. When you ask what kind of change someone can effect, I tend to think of how you can change the course of someone's life or a lot of someones' lives. When you talk about someone "against" someone "one on one," I tend think think mostly of trying to change them from alive to less alive.

In terms of who would prevail in a fight, who knows? Both were blessed enough--in terms of both raw Force potential and their place in history--to have been some variation of The Chosen One. In terms of skills and knowledge, Luke has both the advantage of millennia of progress and development, as well as the disadvantage of having a substantial amount of that knowledge lost in a Sith purge. Whether you're talking about A-level canon or the old EU, I don't think reviewing the collective works would provide a good, quantifiable reckoning. We've seen examples of lost arts from the original trilogy era that changed the outcomes of entire battles--battle meditation is the first that comes to mind. We've also seen Luke's Jedi order developing new Force techniques that also made a difference--while some were probably more rediscoveries than discoveries, chances are at least some of them are innovations unknown in the Old Republic. If we limit ourselves to current official canon, there's even less evidence one way or another.

In terms of something more of a one-on-one counseling or redemption arc, it also depends on which continuity you're looking at. In the movie canon, Luke is exactly 50-50 on redeeming Sith/Dark Jedi. Actually, maybe it's more accurate to say he's got one win plus negative one wins under his belt, since he redeemed exactly one Sith and arguably nudged a Jedi on the edge all the way to the Dark Side.

In the EU, he's still got a mixed record but also a lot more experience in the area. He's wrestled with issues of whether the role of the Jedi was the act as an arm of the government, whether fighting was the right role for the Jedi even in the face of an unprovoked invasion, and the extent to which the ends might justify the means. Considering Darth Revan's goals and how he tried to achieve them, maybe this would put Luke in a position to find some common ground, and perhaps change his mind in some way.

[Mechalich]

This is a very weird question that requires additional specification.

First, it needs to be restricted to the Legends continuity. That's a least one continuum across which comparisons can be made. That means leaving Snoke out completely, but since the amount of actual information surrounding Snoke is so minimal as to make any comparison pointless, that's no great loss.

Second, you need to specific exactly what you mean by the Old Republic Era. That's a prolonged timespan of several centuries including a number of fairly large galaxy-spanning events, even if Vitiate is ultimately orchestrating most of them. Do you mean dropping characters into the SWTOR plotline? Or at some point earlier?

Generally, the overall impact of taking characters from the era of the live action films and dumping them into TOR is likely to be fairly minimal. The overall cast of TOR is so massive that even shockingly powerful force users like Darth Hexid are relegated to the status of bonus character.

On the Sith side, in the context of TOR neither Darth Maul, Darth Tyrannus, nor really even Darth Vader are all that spectacular. Vader would be an elite Sith combatant to be sure, but he would compete against people like Darth Malgus (who is the Vader of another era already, obviously) for a slice of the pie. Sidious is the greater question mark, since his talent in the force use and politics was immense, and he almost certainly would rise to a high rank in the Dark Council. In fact, he's insightful enough that he might just figure out that the entire Sith Empire was a sham created by Vitiate and seek to confront the true emperor - in which case Vitiate would crush him (a Dark Empire period Sidious is a match for Vitiate, but he would never have reached that point without command of an empire). One can imagine a scenario in which Sidious played his cards very carefully and managed to displace Darth Acina and become Sith Emperor, in which case he dies on Iokath just like she does.

The Jedi side is a little bit different. While pretty much any Jedi other than Luke Skywalker simply slots in as a cog in the Order's greater machine, Luke's particular perspective regarding the machinations of Sidious might be enlightening and influence the order early. If he managed to present his case carefully and consistently he might allow the Jedi to move past their singular focus on the Sith and uncover the existence of Zakuul early or formulate an alliance with figures such as Darth Marr. Whether or not this would achieve anything involves a series of absurdly speculative hypotheticals.

[russdm]

I had to stop laughing to type this.

You have effectively killed the Sith as an order, or bunch that even exist anymore. Any era that you dump Sidious results in completely wiping out the Sith. Sidious has never been shown as willing to share power, and so Sidious is not going to accept the power sharing of the Dark Council. Or does Sidious consider any Sith of any kind or power worthy enough to be considered his boss. Sidious will not share power, nor will tolerate anyone other than himself as sole leader.

Sidious will work to completely destroy any obstacles to him being sole Sith in charge. That means taking out all other Sith until they are weaker than he and he doesn't care for any challengers. So Sidious simply destroys the Sith entirely other than him. Given the power creep that Lucas gave him, Sidious destroys the Sith, leaving him alone.

At which point, Sidious ends up dying, putting an end completely to the Sith as an organization.

You really only need Luke and Mara to change the Jedi Order to be even more powerful and more effective, plus Luke knows all about the problems the Jedi would face to his time. He can fix it all, plus he is the kid of the Chosen One. He also holds the highest record for redeeming Dark Siders, so he can easily convince many to drop their ways.

[Devonix]

I had to stop laughing to type this.

You have effectively killed the Sith as an order, or bunch that even exist anymore. Any era that you dump Sidious results in completely wiping out the Sith. Sidious has never been shown as willing to share power, and so Sidious is not going to accept the power sharing of the Dark Council. Or does Sidious consider any Sith of any kind or power worthy enough to be considered his boss. Sidious will not share power, nor will tolerate anyone other than himself as sole leader.

Sidious will work to completely destroy any obstacles to him being sole Sith in charge. That means taking out all other Sith until they are weaker than he and he doesn't care for any challengers. So Sidious simply destroys the Sith entirely other than him. Given the power creep that Lucas gave him, Sidious destroys the Sith, leaving him alone.

At which point, Sidious ends up dying, putting an end completely to the Sith as an organization.

You really only need Luke and Mara to change the Jedi Order to be even more powerful and more effective, plus Luke knows all about the problems the Jedi would face to his time. He can fix it all, plus he is the kid of the Chosen One. He also holds the highest record for redeeming Dark Siders, so he can easily convince many to drop their ways.


Lucas didn't really give Sidious any power creep, that's all EU, so it depends on how much EU stuff you're pulling from. And if it's EU Palpatine vs EU Dark Council it's actually not quite that easy for him.