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Alhallor
2019-02-07, 08:13 AM
I wanted to build a Monk-like charakter (not actually using Monk-Levels) and thought about getting masterwork gloves so I could enchant them. But the way I read the description of unarmored attacks you could use them with every part of your body even if you have your hands full, or should that just count for the Monk?.

Would it make sense if I have the Magic item-Slot (From the Magic Item Compendium) of Body or Torso to have like +1 Flaming Rags to enhance my Unarmored attacks? Or is that totally bonkers and I should stick with the Amulett of Mighty fist?

Powerdork
2019-02-07, 08:38 AM
+1 handwraps aren't too far out of line, if you go by the fact that Dungeons & Dragons Online provides them as monk loot.
An unarmed strike is an unarmed strike, or else only monks would be able to kick someone while they're down.

Bronk
2019-02-07, 08:39 AM
What you're looking for is one of two things:

The Amulet of Mighty Fists will give all of your natural weapons an enhancement bonus:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#amuletofMightyFists

Or, the Necklace of Natural Attacks can enchant each of your natural weapons separately, but you can also add special abilities to them as if they were magic weapons.

(bottom of this article) http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fc/20060707a


Note that a monk's unarmed strikes are treated as natural weapons... There's a price trade-off there, but for a monk without additional natural weapons, the necklace of natural attacks is usually the way to go.

Alhallor
2019-02-07, 09:01 AM
The Necklace of Natural attacks does seem really nice.

But would it work if I kick, headbutt, bite etc? What is bothering me is: "The enhancement bonus on this necklace is applied to attack and damage rolls involving one or more of the wearer's natural weapons."

Are the handwraps used instead of weapons or could you use it with them?

I thought I could use a weapon in my Hands and another Magic item Slot on my body to enhance all natural attacks, even if they are just for descriptive use.

DrMotives
2019-02-07, 09:18 AM
The Necklace of Natural attacks does seem really nice.

But would it work if I kick, headbutt, bite etc? What is bothering me is: "The enhancement bonus on this necklace is applied to attack and damage rolls involving one or more of the wearer's natural weapons."

Are the handwraps used instead of weapons or could you use it with them?

I thought I could use a weapon in my Hands and another Magic item Slot on my body to enhance all natural attacks, even if they are just for descriptive use.

Your "unarmed strike" is one natural weapon, which can change, from attack to attack, between elbow jab, headbutt, hip check, whatever. It's just very versatile. What would be different is if you had another natural weapon from another source, say your race had a claw attack, or something. Then you'd have the unarmed strike, which is the necklace enchants, but your claws are a separate natural weapon. Every way you want to describe your unarmed strikes doesn't affect anything about its game mechanics. If something like +1 handwraps are in play, they'll usually still boost all forms of strikes. Sometimes for realism's sake it's a hand-and-footwraps, if that makes it more acceptable to you.

Alhallor
2019-02-07, 09:27 AM
Okay, if "unarmed strike" work that way, it's pretty cool.

Then I guess my Concept should work, thanks for all the answers.

Firest Kathon
2019-02-07, 11:47 AM
The unarmed strike is not a natural weapon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#naturalWeapons). Natural weapons must be listed in a creature's entry, such as a bite, gore, slam, claw, or similar attack. A monk's attacks are an exception to this rule. See also this discussion (https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/57119/are-unarmed-strikes-natural-weapons).

Crake
2019-02-07, 11:53 AM
The unarmed strike is not a natural weapon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#naturalWeapons). Natural weapons must be listed in a creature's entry, such as a bite, gore, slam, claw, or similar attack. A monk's attacks are an exception to this rule. See also this discussion (https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/57119/are-unarmed-strikes-natural-weapons).

Considering that this discussion is about a monk, I think that was implied.

Firest Kathon
2019-02-08, 10:32 AM
Considering that this discussion is about a monk, I think that was implied.

Quote from OP, emphasis mine:


I wanted to build a Monk-like charakter (not actually using Monk-Levels)

Ruethgar
2019-02-08, 10:45 AM
Ward Cestus and Gauntlets act like Unarmed Strikes and are enchantable. I’m certain there are others with similar qualities.

Psyren
2019-02-08, 03:56 PM
OP, if you're not using monk for this, then why jump through the hoops of enhancing unarmed? The point of doing that on a monk is to benefit from flurry and the big dice of their Unarmed Strike class feature. If you're not a monk, just use something like a Cestus or Spiked Gauntlet that will give you iteratives while being a lot easier to enchant, and not take up another wondrous item slot.

ShurikVch
2019-02-08, 04:32 PM
The unarmed strike is not a natural weapon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#naturalWeapons). Natural weapons must be listed in a creature's entry, such as a bite, gore, slam, claw, or similar attack. A monk's attacks are an exception to this rule. See also this discussion (https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/57119/are-unarmed-strikes-natural-weapons).Firstly, Fanged Ring (Dragon Magic), apparently, disagreeing:
A fanged ring grants its wearer the Improved Unarmed Strike feat and the Improved Natural Attack (unarmed strike) feat. If the wearer deals a critical hit with an unarmed strike, he also deals 1 point of Constitution damage to the creature struck.


And, secondly - "discussion" which you're helpfully linked, actually, have one very useful link - to the Rules of the Game: Unarmed Attacks (Part One) (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20070327a).
And what's we can see there?
For purposes of weapon enhancements, an unarmed strike is considered a natural weapon.If you attack without a weapon, a spell such as magic weapon won't help you, but a spell such as magic fang will.And from the Unarmed Attacks (Part Two):
Remember, however, that magic weapon enhancements that work with natural weaponry, such as the magic fang spell, also work with unarmed attacks. This rule allows pugilists and martial artists access to some magic weapon enhancements (also see the next section). It also reflects the fact that a creature making an unarmed strike is using part of its body in the attack.Thus, as we can see - regardless of is Unarmed Strike, actually, a natural weapon or not - magic enhancements should work just fine!