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understatement
2019-02-11, 10:22 PM
I realized that my lifetime allotment of dumb thread ideas hasn't been spent yet, so --

what are the most meme-worthy panel(s) in this comic? (apart from the Julio Scoundrel one)

And if that question makes you lose too many brain cells, what's a good strip that will hook the attention of someone who values art and story but is willing to hold out on the art for the sake of the story? (preferably with little spoilers) I'm thinking the Holyword strip, but it might be too out of context.

Elanasaurus
2019-02-12, 01:34 AM
Anything can be memed. This forum is fond of their Miko and Hilgya moral justification memes, and things like the MitD, Haley's mom, Redcloak's niece, etc. As for choosing a specific panel, I think panel 5 of #1155 is quite good.

Mightymosy
2019-02-12, 02:05 AM
I never really understood what a meme is, so my brain already is puzzled.....

I guess what you mean is a scene you can picture on say, a T-Shirt, which is so cool that I might want to read where that scene came from?

If so, I think the best panel ever, one that encompasses everything that is good and fine about the comic, is the one with
"Help! I'm being attacked by magic-wielding hookers" (for a pic on a shirt, I'd put that text on the picture where the three break into the room and the dwarf rogue is afraid of them - in the comic it is painted a little differently, but putting a whole strip on a shirt doesn't work as well)
Best scene, from best arc easily. One of the strips that still gives me a smile after all these years. Heck, smiling even now just remembering it. :-)

MoiMagnus
2019-02-12, 08:59 AM
I never really understood what a meme is, so my brain already is puzzled.....

I guess what you mean is a scene you can picture on say, a T-Shirt, which is so cool that I might want to read where that scene came from?

If so, I think the best panel ever, one that encompasses everything that is good and fine about the comic, is the one with
"Help! I'm being attacked by magic-wielding hookers" (for a pic on a shirt, I'd put that text on the picture where the three break into the room and the dwarf rogue is afraid of them - in the comic it is painted a little differently, but putting a whole strip on a shirt doesn't work as well)
Best scene, from best arc easily. One of the strips that still gives me a smile after all these years. Heck, smiling even now just remembering it. :-)

Meme is more like a movie's quote you can put in a lot of unrelated context and it will have a reasonable meaning, like "elementary, my dear Watson" or "I have a bad feeling about this", except that there is an image with text instead of just a quote.

For example, I think that any of the panel with "SNEAK ATTACK!!" could probably be a reasonable meme.

In more advanced memes, you actually modify the image and/or the text, while keeping it near enough to the original one for people to still recognize it (the equivalent for movie quotes would be to say "elementary, my dear Trump")

Note that a very important point of a meme is actually to be used and reproduced by a lot of peoples, even peoples that don't know the original reference (meme literally mean "the same" in French, so reference the fact that a lot of people use the same image). Before that, that's just a funny image with a text, or a failed meme.

littlebum2002
2019-02-12, 09:05 AM
I guess what you mean is a scene you can picture on say, a T-Shirt, which is so cool that I might want to read where that scene came from?

Close, but not quite. A meme would be a panel from the strip with a humorous reaction, so that you can add different captions to the strip. A really bad example (but the first one I can think of) would be the scene with Bozzok on ice, and can be used along with different cold-related puns for captions.

Mightymosy
2019-02-12, 01:00 PM
Hmmmm......how about

Who am I? Your mother? Go find a way to amuse yourself

Would that fit?

The Aboleth
2019-02-12, 01:14 PM
I've always thought Shojo's last words were quite meme-able.

Fyraltari
2019-02-12, 01:17 PM
Hmmmm......how about

Who am I? Your mother? Go find a way to amuse yourself

Would that fit?

We don't know. That's how memes work. They either get pick up or they don't.

"Kilroy was here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilroy_was_here)" is the quintessential meme and nobody could have predicted that.

Mightymosy
2019-02-12, 01:24 PM
We don't know. That's how memes work. They either get pick up or they don't.

"Kilroy was here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilroy_was_here)" is the quintessential meme and nobody could have predicted that.

Don't know that one.

Fyraltari
2019-02-12, 01:32 PM
Don't know that one.

It's a WWII meme. You've probably seen its variations as graffitti of "[X] was here".

martianmister
2019-02-12, 02:52 PM
Panel 8. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0886.html)

Still relevant.

KorvinStarmast
2019-02-12, 03:45 PM
Nod, get treat (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1037.html)

Aveline
2019-02-12, 04:07 PM
It's a WWII meme. You've probably seen its variations as graffitti of "[X] was here".

Technically I think it's "Kilroy was here" that's a variation upon "____ was here".

I read once that THE Kilroy was a foreman at a shipyard, and one of his duties was to tally the rivets driven in order to pay the riveters, and the riveters were deceiving him, so he wrote "Kilroy was here" on the ships's hulls to tell them he knew what they were up to so they would stop.

Fyraltari
2019-02-12, 04:08 PM
Technically I think it's "Kilroy was here" that's a variation upon "____ was here".

I read once that THE Kilroy was a foreman at a shipyard, and one of his duties was to tally the rivets driven in order to pay the riveters, and the riveters were deceiving him, so he wrote "Kilroy was here" on the ships's hulls to tell them he knew what they were up to so they would stop.
So not a variation, then? Because "__ was here" is generally meant as boastfull, a meaning that appeared with Kilroy.

Aveline
2019-02-12, 04:12 PM
So not a variation, then? Because "__ was here" is generally meant as boastfull, a meaning that appeared with Kilroy.

I'm not sure what you mean by "not a variation". Signing one's name as accomplishment is an ancient tradition.

georgie_leech
2019-02-12, 05:12 PM
I'm not sure what you mean by "not a variation". Signing one's name as accomplishment is an ancient tradition.

Quite literally ancient. (http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%20Pompeii.htm)

Mike Havran
2019-02-12, 05:52 PM
I realized that my lifetime allotment of dumb thread ideas hasn't been spent yet, so --

what are the most meme-worthy panel(s) in this comic? (apart from the Julio Scoundrel one)

And if that question makes you lose too many brain cells, what's a good strip that will hook the attention of someone who values art and story but is willing to hold out on the art for the sake of the story? (preferably with little spoilers) I'm thinking the Holyword strip, but it might be too out of context.

My favorite:

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g68/Cats_Are_Aliens/Banners/Tarquin.png Their every move makes my victory more complete (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0785.html)

Takver
2019-02-13, 07:58 AM
So I think for a meme or reaction panel, you would want a panel that is easy to read and not too wordy, and that doesn't make any references that require knowing D&D or the comic to understand (no "in-jokes").

Toward the bottom of the second page of 896 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0896.html), a giant fist knocking while Blackwing shouts "YES! YES, YOU HEARD THAT!"

881 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0881.html), second panel, "This is it, isn't it? This is us losing. This is what us losing looks like."

816 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0816.html), second page second row, "Spoiler alert: They failed."

littlebum2002
2019-02-13, 08:04 AM
Quite literally ancient. (http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%20Pompeii.htm)

Man that Secundus was quite a character.

Son of A Lich!
2019-02-13, 06:59 PM
I think a meme requires an emotional resonance that you can apply elsewhere outside of it's use in the narrative. The more applicable the feeling or tone of the beat, the better the meme.

"Spoiler Alert: They Failed." works pretty well, because we've all seen bad things coming and were unable to stop it from happening. Like seeing a cop when you aren't wearing a seat belt and are hoping he doesn't notice you are speeding... saying "Spoiler Alert: They Failed" clearly communicates the idea that I was speeding and not wearing my seat belt, hoping the cop didn't pull me over... but alas, the cop did notice me and pulled me over.

I would also add to the list -

"Your approval Fills me with Shame":roy:

"...And that would be Wrong":vaarsuvius:

"Extreme Apology accepted":durkon:

"Triple Fantasy! Triple Fantasy!":elan:

"Hiding is my best feature":haley:

"Ha ha! DOOM SEALED!":belkar:

Mightymosy
2019-02-14, 02:33 AM
Your approval fills me with shame
is one of the best lines in the comic!

Let's see if I read the early strips again this evening. Those had A LOT or awesome lines :-)

Phhase
2019-02-14, 02:50 AM
Tsukiko: "I mean, I really LOVE the undead."
Xykon: "Ugh, I'm not one of those disgusting Biophiliacs."

Kardwill
2019-02-14, 08:02 AM
So not a variation, then? Because "__ was here" is generally meant as boastfull, a meaning that appeared with Kilroy.

not really "___ was here", but you can find Viking graffiti in St Sophia cathedral in Istambul, signaling that, indeed, a man named Halfdan was there during the 11th century ^^

And it can be counted as a meme, I think : They had the habit of engraving "XX carved these runes" pretty much everywhere they went.

locksmith of lo
2019-02-14, 09:47 AM
i actually use the celestial tree sloth attack (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0805.html) on my friends.


as well as the freedom (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0890.html) song.

:smallbiggrin:

KorvinStarmast
2019-02-14, 10:08 AM
Your approval fills me with shame
Yeah, it really scored when I first read it. Not sure how to memify it, but it's one of those great lines Rich comes up with.

Resileaf
2019-02-14, 12:59 PM
I find that "TREE ATTACK! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!" (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0161.html) has potential.

Aveline
2019-02-14, 02:55 PM
"I would just like to point out that my ghost will be both angry and vengeful, and will retain all of my spellcasting powers." (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0163.html)

Rhasimir
2019-02-14, 04:21 PM
"I would just like to point out that my ghost will be both angry and vengeful, and will retain all of my spellcasting powers." (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0163.html)

I started re-reading from this strip, and remembered this gem:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0171.html
Your approval fills me with shame. :smallbiggrin:

Sniccups
2019-02-14, 09:37 PM
I’d go with “groggy, groggy, groggy” and the “semi-trained quasi-professionals” one.

RatElemental
2019-02-15, 04:57 AM
Note that a very important point of a meme is actually to be used and reproduced by a lot of peoples, even peoples that don't know the original reference (meme literally mean "the same" in French, so reference the fact that a lot of people use the same image)

the word meme was actually coined by Richard Dawkins for the concept of a "social gene." Memes mutate and evolve and the more successful permutations become more well known and widespread, in a manner similar to evolution.

Technically under this definition, technology and culture in general are also memes, and this usage is what I imagine Richard had in mind when he came up with it.

littlebum2002
2019-02-15, 11:47 AM
Think about how many people you know who have seen the show "Hood Documentary".

Now think about how many people you know who, if they see the picture of the "roll safe" guy with his finger on his temple from that documentary, recognize that it's going to be paired with a caption about how you can avoid a minor inconvenience by creating a much bigger problem that technically solves the first problem in a "throw the baby out with the bathwater" sort of way like "You can't get fired if you don't have a job!”

So yeah, a meme needs to be recognizable by people who don't know the original context of the meme, or perhaps don't even know where it came from. (I had to Google the Roll Safe meme to find out it came from Hood Documentary).

We need an image that "speaks a thousand words". One you can look at and immediately know what is going on. Maybe something like Roy facepalming, although that doesn't work because we already have Captain Picard facepalming.

Resileaf
2019-02-15, 11:52 AM
We need an image that "speaks a thousand words". One you can look at and immediately know what is going on. Maybe something like Roy facepalming, although that doesn't work because we already have Captain Picard facepalming.

Well not necessarily what is going on, but definitely what it conveys.

littlebum2002
2019-02-15, 12:11 PM
Well not necessarily what is going on, but definitely what it conveys.

Thanks. I couldn't figure out how to say "what is going on, even if it's not ACTUALLY what is going on". "What it conveys" works great.

One idea could be the panel of Thor telling Durkon there's "a secret your people forgot a few generations ago" and the following panel of him whispering in Durkon's ear, and the caption could be a thing that humans could have potentially forgotten or mixed up, like "it's shall celebrate not shall be celibate”

(That last one is just a throwaway joke and I'm not passing any commentary on any religious beliefs. It's based on some old joke about a man who went to heaven and spent his time there reading ancient religious texts only to be frustrated when he found a long forgotten spelling error that would have probably led him to do different things in life had he known about it)

AchtungNight
2019-02-20, 09:50 AM
“Disintegrate! Gust of WInd! Now may we please resume saving the world?”

locksmith of lo
2019-02-20, 04:32 PM
i dream of the day when i will learn to stop asking questions to which i will regret learning the answers. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0188.html) :smallbiggrin:

Quebbster
2019-02-20, 05:21 PM
I sense a great disturbance... As if a thousand double entendres cried out, and were suddenly silenced... (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0418.html)

martianmister
2019-02-20, 05:25 PM
sonic booooooooooo!!!

pearl jam
2019-02-23, 07:06 PM
Disintegrate. Dust of Wind seems like it could be used as a signal of desire to move away from a topic that's dragging on too long.

Your approval fills me with shame definitely seems like it could be a popular one.

Resileaf
2019-02-23, 09:52 PM
Your approval fills me with shame definitely seems like it could be a popular one.

Well thanks to this comic, it's a trope! (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame)

Fyraltari
2019-02-24, 02:43 AM
Well thanks to this comic, it's a trope! (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame)

This comic names and provides images for many more (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Trivia/TheOrderOfTheStick) tropes on that wiki.

locksmith of lo
2019-02-24, 04:54 AM
A good way to get a decent person to do something horrible is to convince them that they're not responsible for their actions. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0640.html)
unfortunately this is all too true. :smalleek:

NoHaxJustPi
2019-02-24, 07:29 PM
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0642.html I believe i understand just fine, thanks.

RatElemental
2019-02-25, 02:43 AM
"The good news is I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing!"

Jay R
2019-02-25, 10:32 AM
"You can't make an omelette without ruthlessly crushing dozens of eggs beneath your steel boot and then publicly disemboweling the chickens that laid them as a warning to others."

5crownik007
2019-02-27, 01:17 AM
I mean, I screencap certain sections of OOTS comics that are vulnerable to creative edits, but I never share them for fear of being laser-beamed off the forums for something offensive. I'm quite unrestrained in my speech and jokes when I'm not on these forums.

Lacuna Caster
2019-03-14, 09:06 AM
Well, since I shared some fanart for the modern-day thread, I thought this might be appropriate.

https://i.postimg.cc/Rhmd0qK9/keep-calm-small.png

Aveline
2019-03-14, 09:18 AM
I like it. Your rendition is very faithful. I've never actually tried to visualize the characters as anything other than stick figures, but this makes me want to.


Keep Calm and Smite Evil

Keep Calm and Select the Track Feat

Lacuna Caster
2019-03-14, 09:40 AM
Her right arm is a little compressed, in retrospect, but yeah, I liked the overall design. Keep Calm and Lay Hands, Keep Calm and Pass Sentence, Keep Calm and Fulfil Your Destiny...

Grey_Wolf_c
2019-03-14, 09:48 AM
I like it. Your rendition is very faithful. I've never actually tried to visualize the characters as anything other than stick figures, but this makes me want to.

Lacuna is a very good artist. Lacuna, would you mind you re-posting your "characters in modern setting" drawing? Or linking to the thread were you posted them?

Thanks,

Grey Wolf

Lacuna Caster
2019-03-14, 09:53 AM
Lacuna is a very good artist. Lacuna, would you mind you re-posting your "characters in modern setting" drawing? Or linking to the thread were you posted them?
I think I did (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?581471-What-would-the-OOTS-characters-be-like-in-the-modern-day&p=23730941&viewfull=1#post23730941), back on the first page? Oh, and thanks.

Fyraltari
2019-03-14, 10:00 AM
Lacuna is a very good artist. Lacuna, would you mind you re-posting your "characters in modern setting" drawing? Or linking to the thread were you posted them?

Thanks,

Grey Wolf
There (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=21939082&postcount=1) it is (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?522266-I-did-a-fanart).
Also I agree with you. And that poster is excellent too.

I think I did (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?581471-What-would-the-OOTS-characters-be-like-in-the-modern-day&p=23730941&viewfull=1#post23730941), back on the first page? Oh, and thanks.
No, that was the other thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?581471-What-would-the-OOTS-characters-be-like-in-the-modern-day).

Lacuna Caster
2019-03-14, 10:03 AM
No, that was the other thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?581471-What-would-the-OOTS-characters-be-like-in-the-modern-day).
What thread is Grey Wolf referring to, then? The other 'real-life OOTS' thread was locked, IIRC.

Grey_Wolf_c
2019-03-14, 10:07 AM
What thread is Grey Wolf referring to, then? The other 'real-life OOTS' thread was locked, IIRC.

I just couldn't remember where your drawing was, and was requesting a re-post to save me the time of searching for it.

Grey Wolf

Fyraltari
2019-03-14, 10:11 AM
What thread is Grey Wolf referring to, then? The other 'real-life OOTS' thread was locked, IIRC.

I think I just had a brainfart, carry on.

Aveline
2019-03-14, 10:40 AM
Lacuna, I am blown away. This is the kind of quality I would expect from WOTC-commissioned artists.

Edit: My exposure to WOTC art mainly consists of Magic: the Gathering. It is meant as a compliment. If there is poor artwork in other WOTC products, I'm not talking about those.

RatElemental
2019-03-14, 02:36 PM
Edit: My exposure to WOTC art mainly consists of Magic: the Gathering. It is meant as a compliment. If there is poor artwork in other WOTC products, I'm not talking about those.

Well, Unholy Strength has had a few... interesting renditions. Also Stasis.

Aveline
2019-03-14, 02:49 PM
Well, Unholy Strength has had a few... interesting renditions. Also Stasis.

Sure, undercut my meaning.

Grey_Wolf_c
2019-03-14, 02:53 PM
Well, Unholy Strength has had a few... interesting renditions. Also Stasis.

Not to mention pretty much every card Phil Foglio ever illustrated. His style is perfect for Girl Genius and, say, the Avernum series. But it doesn't mesh at all with the rest of MtG illustrations.

Grey Wolf

Lacuna Caster
2019-03-15, 06:28 AM
Lacuna, I am blown away. This is the kind of quality I would expect from WOTC-commissioned artists.
You're too kind. I've seen a variety of WOTC products myself, it's a compliment either way. :)

Peelee
2019-03-15, 07:32 AM
You're too kind. I've seen a variety of WOTC products myself, it's a compliment either way. :)

It should be. They all being like "hmm I want to compare you to these professional commissioned works but I want to make sure I compare you to the better ones" whole I'm over here thinking of someone told me my art looked like a ten-year-old drew it I'd feel like that's high praise.

Bur yeah you rock. Your art is the prettiest art of all the art. :smallsmile:

AceOfFools
2019-04-16, 10:14 AM
This comic names and provides images for many more (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Trivia/TheOrderOfTheStick) tropes on that wiki.

This is a good indication of panels that were sufficiently memtic:


Dragons: Color coded for your convince
Evil is one big happy family. [Screw that]
(whisper whisper) And that would be wrong.
I asked for an ale, but you seemed to have handed me a tankard full of moose urine.


The last one could really work if the memer photoshoped in a different word for ale, e.g. "I asked for a citation, but you seem to have handed me a tankard full of moose urine."
Quotes are paraphrased from memory, may contain errors.

Wizard_Lizard
2019-04-25, 05:10 AM
two words.
Explosive. Runes.

Greyshadow63
2019-05-12, 11:20 PM
1066, last panel.
"if you're gonna tie up my hands, at least have the manners to stop saying stuff that's just begging for a facepalm."

Wizard_Lizard
2019-05-13, 01:26 AM
Vaarsuvius when he goes nuts.