Long lasting polymorph effects?

[digiman619]

I have a character who has discovered that she's a bit genderfluid. Thankfully, because this is Pathfinder, there are plenty of ways to change her form to suit her whim, but most seem to last 1 minute/caster level. Are there any that would let her choose what she wants to be at the start of the day and last for a few hours? I know that greater hat of disguise can do what I want, but 16K is a lot to spend on a bit of characterization.

[Hackulator]

I have a character who has discovered that she's a bit genderfluid. Thankfully, because this is Pathfinder, there are plenty of ways to change her form to suit her whim, but most seem to last 1 minute/caster level. Are there any that would let her choose what she wants to be at the start of the day and last for a few hours? I know that greater hat of disguise can do what I want, but 16K is a lot to spend on a bit of characterization.

Greater Hat is only 12k and really, how can you put a gp value on being comfortable in your own skin? Also it's a pretty useful magic item in a lot of scenarios.

[Elysiume]

If you can find a way to get regular access to Alchemical Allocation (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/a/alchemical-allocation/) alongside an Elixir of Sex Shifting (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/e-g/elixir-of-sex-shifting/), you're golden. Unfortunately I'm pretty sure you can't craft a wondrous item with alchemist formulae, since they're not really spells.

[Segev]

Bestow Curse could probably force her to become the sex she feels like at any given moment. Couldn’t give a controllable power, but if being as old as she felt is a curse on the lead character of Howl’s Moving Castle, and the gender-swap belts use Bestow Curse, it’s a reasonable application of the spell to “curse” someone with an involuntary change based on how they’re feeling.

[Crake]

If you've got access to 3.5 material, a level of an egoist psion can get a changeling's minor change shape at will in place of their 1st level psion feat, which will let you change yourself to be whatever you feel like at any moment.

[Hackulator]

Bestow Curse could probably force her to become the sex she feels like at any given moment. Couldn’t give a controllable power, but if being as old as she felt is a curse on the lead character of Howl’s Moving Castle, and the gender-swap belts use Bestow Curse, it’s a reasonable application of the spell to “curse” someone with an involuntary change based on how they’re feeling.

I think it would only qualify as a curse if it forced her to assume the opposite sex of the one she felt like.

[Segev]

I think it would only qualify as a curse if it forced her to assume the opposite sex of the one she felt like.

Oddly enough, nothing in bestow curse specifies that the "victim" has to be unhappy at their cursed state. It can be used to make a gender-bender belt, and that doesn't fail to function if the person who dons it identifies as the sex to which it would swap them. (In fact, being cursed once by one can be reversed by finding another and being cursed again.)

[Slithery D]

I have a character who has discovered that she's a bit genderfluid. Thankfully, because this is Pathfinder, there are plenty of ways to change her form to suit her whim, but most seem to last 1 minute/caster level. Are there any that would let her choose what she wants to be at the start of the day and last for a few hours? I know that greater hat of disguise can do what I want, but 16K is a lot to spend on a bit of characterization.

One level in Psychic Rivethun discipline.

[digiman619]

Thanks for the replies, so let me respond to them

Greater Hat is only 12k and really, how can you put a gp value on being comfortable in your own skin? Also it's a pretty useful magic item in a lot of scenarios.
Yeah, this will likely be the best course of action, especially since we have a crafter in the party.


If you've got access to 3.5 material, a level of an egoist psion can get a changeling's minor change shape at will in place of their 1st level psion feat, which will let you change yourself to be whatever you feel like at any moment.
Alas, I am already a shaper psion, so this isn't feasible.


One level in Psychic Rivethun discipline.
A 1 level dip is a bit pricey, especially since the transformation takes a day to set up.


Bestow Curse could probably force her to become the sex she feels like at any given moment. Couldn’t give a controllable power, but if being as old as she felt is a curse on the lead character of Howl’s Moving Castle, and the gender-swap belts use Bestow Curse, it’s a reasonable application of the spell to “curse” someone with an involuntary change based on how they’re feeling.
Yeah, but "I'll curse you with something you really want!" would never fly by my GM.

[Telonius]

"Character's gender changes" is one of the listed "drawbacks (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/cursedItems.htm#drawback)" in 3.5's Cursed Item table:


Drawback
Items with drawbacks are usually still beneficial to the possessor but they also carry some negative aspect. Although sometimes drawbacks occur only when the item is used (or held, in the case of some items such as weapons), usually the drawback remains with the character for as long as she has the item.

Roll on the table below to generate a drawback that (unless otherwise indicated) remains in effect as long as the item is in the character’s possession.

If Cursed Items are a thing in your campaign, it should be possible for you to locate an item that has that particular Drawback. A belt (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0234.html), maybe? (Note that this is usually read as changing the character's biological sex, rather than gender; I don't think that I've ever heard of a table making it turn a straight character gay or bi).


EDIT: Looks like the table was brought forward into Pathfinder (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/cursed-items/), too. And ....


Girdle of Opposite Gender
Source: PZO1115

Aura moderate transmutation; CL 10th

Slot belt; Weight 1 lb.

DESCRIPTION

When this magical belt is put on, the wearer must immediately make a DC 20 Fortitude saving throw or be transformed into a person of the opposite gender. The character’s abilities, mind, and spirit remain unaffected; only the character’s sex changes. If the character’s saving throw is a natural 1, the item actually removes all gender from the wearer, giving him an androgynous, neutered appearance. The change is permanent unless undone with curse-removing magic. Once its magic takes effect, the belt can be removed without effort. A creature can only be affected by a particular girdle once, though other girdles of this type can cause another transformation.

More of a one-use thing, but much more of a permanent item than a short-duration spell.

[digiman619]

If Cursed Items are a thing in your campaign, it should be possible for you to locate an item that has that particular Drawback. A belt (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0234.html), maybe? (Note that this is usually read as changing the character's biological sex, rather than gender; I don't think that I've ever heard of a table making it turn a straight character gay or bi).
Yeah, when an RPG refers to gender 99.9% of the time it means biological sex. It's just that for quite a while in the public consciousness, the words were interchangeable and sex was more taboo. Though if we want to be technical, someone being straight/bi/gay/whatever has nothing to do with their gender and is instead their sexuality.

[Calthropstu]

Slay self + reincarnation, hope to come back as male... Repeat until successful. Or until your con hits 0. Either way, problem solved.

[Crake]

Alas, I am already a shaper psion, so this isn't feasible.

Then ask to trade out the feat for minor change shape? Surely your DM would be permissive of that?

[Jack_Simth]

I have a character who has discovered that she's a bit genderfluid. Thankfully, because this is Pathfinder, there are plenty of ways to change her form to suit her whim, but most seem to last 1 minute/caster level. Are there any that would let her choose what she wants to be at the start of the day and last for a few hours? I know that greater hat of disguise can do what I want, but 16K is a lot to spend on a bit of characterization.

Shapechanger's Gift (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/shapechangers-gift/) lasts 10 minutes/level (Greater lasts hours/level). Polymorph Any Object (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/p/polymorph-any-object/) to turn you into a member of your own race will of course be permanent.

In Pathfinder, Intentionally Crafting Cursed Items (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/cursed-items/#Intentionally_Crafting_Cursed_Items) is a thing, and "Character’s gender changes." is on the drawbacks table. Get a cheap slotless items (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/#table-slotless-wondrous-items). Stow it as necessary. An Ioun Torch (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/h-l/ioun-torch), maybe. 75 gp market.

Edit: Oh yes, and the Realistic Likeness (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/racial-feats/realistic-likeness-kitsune/) Kitsune racial feat. Note that a human can theoretically get it via Racial Heritage (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/racial-feats/racial-heritage/), although you may need to spend yet another feat (Swift Kitsune Shapechanger (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/swift-kitsune-shapechanger/)) to actually be able to shift in the first place for realistic likeness to apply....

[Segev]

Yeah, but "I'll curse you with something you really want!" would never fly by my GM.

Pity. Though you could emphasize the drawbacks of the involuntary nature of it. You feel like a woman today, but you needed to be Bob the Guardsman for this con. You feel like a man today, so no, you can't seduce that straight guy or lesbian girl into giving you the information you need.

The villain is making you feel like the opposite sex that you felt like five minutes ago, and this is causing an awkward and public change of your appearance.