Ruining a casino

[Vyanie]

So some things happened and I became the high roller of a casino, won about 25k pp and am now blacklisted from said casino because its run by a mob type outfit. The party has now made it our goal to destroy this Casino (or take it over) as the owner pretty much insulted us (yes my character is NE and a goblin) I am lacking of any good ideas on how to accomplish this so any good ideas would be wonderful. The city is one of the biggest cities in the world, there are multiple casinos but the one we were banned is the biggest. Any ideas how i could accomplish this?

[Ellrin]

So some things happened and I became the high roller of a casino, won about 25k pp and am now blacklisted from said casino because its run by a mob type outfit. The party has now made it our goal to destroy this Casino (or take it over) as the owner pretty much insulted us (yes my character is NE and a goblin) I am lacking of any good ideas on how to accomplish this so any good ideas would be wonderful. The city is one of the biggest cities in the world, there are multiple casinos but the one we were banned is the biggest. Any ideas how i could accomplish this?
I mean, arson is always a good start.

[Vyanie]

I mean, arson is always a good start.

No cant do that, the captain of the guard would find out and is NOT someone we want to piss off. Thinking of a more RP ways. Long term goal of this character is to eventually make it illegal for anyone besides us to own/operate casinos and then spread the glory of casinos all over the world owned by us. We want the casinos worshiped much like deities.

[AvatarVecna]

No cant do that, the captain of the guard would find out and is NOT someone we want to piss off. Thinking of a more RP ways. Long term goal of this character is to eventually make it illegal for anyone besides us to own/operate casinos and then spread the glory of casinos all over the world owned by us. We want the casinos worshiped much like deities.

Establish a casino business. Give better odds/payouts than most any casino can afford to. Use adventuring/looting/infinite-money-tricks to make up for the "losses" so that you're both the most generous and the most profitable casino in existence.

Get connected with the church of a deity whose portfolio has connections to luck/the economy/fair play - the kind of deity who would throw divine support behind the idea that casinos setting fair rules means players should play fair, and that players playing fair means the casinos shouldn't cheat them either (by changing the rules, messing with the stated odds, cheapening payouts, boozing up guests too much, and banning people). Getting the church involved might mean paying fewer taxes, but more importantly turns your casino into a single piece of the larger political/religious game of Law vs Chaos with you "on the Lawful" side. This will over time more endear you to the captain of the guard and his ilk, and sets up your opposition as "Chaos".

Invest in the Knowledge (Law) skill. Hire angel, inevitable, and devil barristers for your legal team. Pour money into both security and entertainment. Sabotage the competition when necessary, and undercut them on pricing whenever possible. Cheaper booze, bigger prizes, whatever. And eventually, either they just can't compete with you honestly, or they have to start being cheap and cheaty in order to make a profit...and that's when you hire private investigators looking into your competition to bring evidence of wrongdoing to the angels and the inevitables and the devils and the deity disciples and the captain of the guard.

[Vyanie]

While i do like the whole compete with the casino thing, I was more trying to subvert the casino then take it over, I just have no idea how to accomplish this. I am way out of my zone with RP like this so am completely lost.

[Seto]

I saw you had a [Pathfinder] tag. Are you in Riddleport? Cause it sounds like Riddleport. Also, what are your classes and levels?

[Geddy2112]

If you won that much, hire an army and just raid the place. Beat up the mob and call it a day. You could possibly find somebody to cast a wish or miracle to make it so. You could kit yourself out with so much magical swag and power you can run it dang near unopposed. Also, just take out the mob element with your high paid stealth hit squad. No need for brute force, just cut out the top management and take charge. Hell, you can employ the survivors of your hit squad as enforcers.

Another option would be to continue doing so by changing your identity- poly morph, disguise, etc until you literally bankrupt them and open your own casino. Or buy them out with the winnings. See if they would be dumb enough to bet the house itself.

[EldritchWeaver]

Maybe do some Ocean's Eleven style of ransacking?

[The Kool]

Maybe do some Ocean's Eleven style of ransacking?

I second this. Sounds like a great time to be had.

[Barstro]

Were the winnings luck or were they skill/cheating?

If it was just luck, I think you need to rob the place or beat people up.

If it was something you can replicate, then you might be able to bankrupt the casino by not just your bets, but other patrons betting on you to win. You can also force the casino to cheat and get legally shut down.

I'd find a way to fill their coffers with counterfeit coin so their payments on taxes/bribes/higher-boss-cuts are no good and they face serious repercussions.

[Vizzerdrix]

Put a bunch or resetting spell traps around the place, or in the restrooms. Use some of those spells that boost luck or grant rerolls or something along those lines. Then everyone will take them to the cleaners and the mob will have to close shop, or refuse payment to enough customers to get themselves in trouble. You can then buy them out for cheap and remove the traps.

[Vyanie]

Were the winnings luck or were they skill/cheating?

If it was just luck, I think you need to rob the place or beat people up.

If it was something you can replicate, then you might be able to bankrupt the casino by not just your bets, but other patrons betting on you to win. You can also force the casino to cheat and get legally shut down.

I'd find a way to fill their coffers with counterfeit coin so their payments on taxes/bribes/higher-boss-cuts are no good and they face serious repercussions.

Ohh wow, this is what im looking for, i never even thought of this. it was some luck (nat 20 rolls vs dm nat 1 rolls.... quite a bit) and having a fairly large modifier because its slight of hand + bluff + sense motive + profession gambler. Im a goblin of course i cheat =) .

[Vyanie]

I saw you had a [Pathfinder] tag. Are you in Riddleport? Cause it sounds like Riddleport. Also, what are your classes and levels?

No its a custom game world from the DM, im still a low lvl but im kind of the bankroll for the entire party (they just dont know quite how much i have) Im an unchained rogue we also have a witch and an investigator ( i think ) an oracle a wizard with another player being their familiar ( we think its the other way around honestly, they do awesome with the RP, comes off hilariously)

[The Kool]

an oracle a wizard with another player being their familiar ( we think its the other way around honestly, they do awesome with the RP, comes off hilariously)

I've wanted to do this for ages. I'll have to give it a go

[Seto]

Well, 25K platinum is a HUGE amount of money. And you're saying you're somewhat low-level. So, a few considerations:

- Did you actually receive the money before being banned? If no, they probably don't even HAVE it. Nobody has that kind of money.
- If you did receive it, you could do pretty much anything. Hire anyone, buy extremely powerful magical items... But then again:
- Are you sure you want to be the enemy of a group that somehow had 25K pp lying around, and who could afford to award them to you as winnings without being bankrupt? (which means they still have at least that amount). Again, that much money is insane. It's easily worth a small kingdom.

[Telonius]

Health code violations. Get some Pipes of the Sewers, and go full Ratatouille on them.

Start a few rumors about the poor quality of their alcohol.

Ensure that only washed-up performers with no actual levels of Bard will play for them. (Bonus points if you can get them inebriated/incapacitated just before a performance).

[Vyanie]

Well, 25K platinum is a HUGE amount of money. And you're saying you're somewhat low-level. So, a few considerations:

- Did you actually receive the money before being banned? If no, they probably don't even HAVE it. Nobody has that kind of money.
- If you did receive it, you could do pretty much anything. Hire anyone, buy extremely powerful magical items... But then again:
- Are you sure you want to be the enemy of a group that somehow had 25K pp lying around, and who could afford to award them to you as winnings without being bankrupt? (which means they still have at least that amount). Again, that much money is insane. It's easily worth a small kingdom.

Yes we did receive it before, or i should say while being banned from the casino. There were some tense moments trying to actually force them to give us said money, and while we didn't completely break the casino we did hurt it considerably (hence why we were banned).

[Sutehp]

After having just started playing Pathfinder myself (and having just rolled a Varisian cleric of Desna with the Travel and Liberation domains), I'm curious to see how this turns out. A cleric with the Luck domain might be able to have alot of fun in your situation, Vyanie. I wish I could offer some advice, but not knowing too much about casinos (either on Golarion or real life) aside from the fact that it's impossible to beat the house, I can't really add anything.

But an Ocean's Eleven style story in Pathfinder does sound awesome.