3.5 - Anti-Golem Golem

[unseenmage]

Am looking to build a golem built to destroy other golems.

Using the Feats in Items sidebar in Arms and Equipment and the Constructs Are Magic Items rules interpretation I could build anti-construct feats into the thing.

Anti Construct spells and items would be helpful too.

Also welcoming advice as to what the base golem.for the job should be?

EDIT
Rock-Em-Sock-Em so far

Brass or Shadesteel Golem
possibly a Shield Guardian

equipped with an
Adamantine
Mace of Smiting
with a least Demolotion Crystal (MIC)

EDIT AGAIN
Found a thing, Tactics and Tips: Winning Tactics Against Golems (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/tt/20051108a)

[Karl Aegis]

Normal Golems aren't intelligent creatures and most cannot cast spells or have feats. A Golem's Spell Immunity would also put a damper on any Golem-related spellcasting. I suppose you could equip them with adamantine clubs and give them different type of damage reduction, but most golem's slam attack deals more damage.

[unseenmage]

Brass Golems can have weapons, even magic ones, built into them.

Handing a golem an item that grants it access to a feat could work like it having a bonus feat, meaning it could use the feat regardless of prerequisite and, depending on the feat, intelligence.

As for magical buffs, they too could theoretically be built in to the golem as though it were a magic item.

My playgroup is okay with these potential rules interactions and if we find something truly bonkers we patch as needed.

[Vizzerdrix]

Hmm... what about an effigy creature hydra or octopus for large number of attacks. You can do some template stacking on the base critter to get better stats, then just out muscle other constructs.

[Eladrinblade]

Given an iron golem some adamantine gauntlets and you're good to go.

[Uncle Pine]

A basic option would be to equip your golem with a mace of smiting (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/magicWeapons.htm#maceofSmiting).

A better option is to equip your golem with a keen kukri, rapier, scimitar, or falchion of smiting.

[noob]

an even better option is to also make the smiting weapon be made of adamentine.

[Jack_Simth]

You'll probably want to arrange for Fast Healing on your golem: Most golems do enough damage to penetrate a golem's DR, repairing it all the time via the Craft Construct feat is expensive, and repairing it all the time via spell slots is annoying. So you'll want something that can be very easily repaired - like a Shield Guardian (which has it's own fast healing) or a Shadesteel Golem (which can be granted Fast Healing for a while just by putting it in the area of a Deeper Darkness spell, which lasts days/level and can be affixed to a mobile object... like a dull gray ioun stone in orbit around the golem).

Note that any golem you build isn't going to do so well vs. a golem with a supporting caster (well, unless you're also sitting there supporting your golem, but then it's less 'golem vs. golem' and more 'caster vs. caster').

[noob]

You'll probably want to arrange for Fast Healing on your golem: Most golems do enough damage to penetrate a golem's DR, repairing it all the time via the Craft Construct feat is expensive, and repairing it all the time via spell slots is annoying. So you'll want something that can be very easily repaired - like a Shield Guardian (which has it's own fast healing) or a Shadesteel Golem (which can be granted Fast Healing for a while just by putting it in the area of a Deeper Darkness spell, which lasts days/level and can be affixed to a mobile object... like a dull gray ioun stone in orbit around the golem).

Note that any golem you build isn't going to do so well vs. a golem with a supporting caster (well, unless you're also sitting there supporting your golem, but then it's less 'golem vs. golem' and more 'caster vs. caster').

You can add the shield guardian template to any golem in pathfinder.
Also iron golems can just walk in and out of firewalls for fast healing.(and are quite classical golems so it is not hard to get them approved)

[Jowgen]

Dragon 327 has the Rudimentary Intelligence construct mod, costs an extra 8000 gp and your Golem gains Int equal to half the creators CL, with skills and feats according to its HD.

Give your Golem a Golembanescarab and enemy Golem DR becomes a non-factor for a mere 2500 gp.

Plop a least Demolotion Crystal (MIC) onto the Golem's MW weapon (or natural weapon via Necklace of Natural Weapons) for an extra d6 of damage against constructs for a mere 1000 gp.

[Jack_Simth]

You can add the shield guardian template to any golem in pathfinder.


Yes, but this thread is very clearly tagged as 3.5.

[noob]

Yes, but this thread is very clearly tagged as 3.5.

yes and the thread creator started by mentioning 3.0 content.

[Endarire]

Do Warforged or Half-Golem creatures count?

[noob]

Do Warforged or Half-Golem creatures count?

Half golem creatures that fails their save are very golem(even the construct type)
The problem is building and controlling them.

[Mike Miller]

yes and the thread creator started by mentioning 3.0 content.

...which predates Pathfinder even more. slow clap

[noob]

...which predates Pathfinder even more. slow clap

But which shows tolerance to non 3.5 content.

[unseenmage]

3.0 content that isnt updated gets carried through to 3.5.

This exercise is intended to be separate from PF material, for now at least.


Thank you all for the great anti golem suggestions.

Currently I'm looking at making the Rock-Em-Sock-Em golem as unintelligent as possible. Can't have our gladiator giving its masters lip after all.

Preferably it would be an actual golem. Templates are okay, as long as they aren't fundamentally de-golem-izing our creation.

Nice catch with the Half-Golem template, will definitely consider that for a more heroic NPC version of the idea.

EDIT
I also stumbled across this old gem, Tactics and Tips: Winning Tactics Against Golems (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/tt/20051108a)

[Uncle Pine]

EDIT
I also stumbled across this old gem, Tactics and Tips: Winning Tactics Against Golems (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/tt/20051108a)

Curiously enough, that article doesn't mention one of the most effective tactics against mindless golem guarding things: low level illusions. Create four screens that are perfectly still replicas of the golem's surroundings around the edges of its area and, since it's extremely unlikely that the golem will go out of its way to interact with the illusion unless specifically programmed to do so by its creator, it's effectively blind to you and the rest of the party. It won't help if your goal is to specifically destroy the golem though, so there's that.

[Thurbane]

Are there any Golems that shoot arrows? Load them up with Arrows of Construct Slaying.




But which shows tolerance to non 3.5 content.

As already mentioned un-updated 3.0 content is treated as official 3.5 content, as a general rule.

[Bohandas]

Normal Golems aren't intelligent creatures and most cannot cast spells or have feats. A Golem's Spell Immunity would also put a damper on any Golem-related spellcasting. I suppose you could equip them with adamantine clubs and give them different type of damage reduction, but most golem's slam attack deals more damage.

You could make a shield golem's control amulet intelligent though; and item intelligence usually comes with spell-like abilities built in.

[Quertus]

Really? No one has mentioned the other winningest tactic?

Try this: Rod of Construct Control.

Intelligent Golem, illusions (somehow), Haste, Rod of Construct Control. Not much beats that.


Yes, but this thread is very clearly tagged as 3.5.


yes and the thread creator started by mentioning 3.0 content.


As already mentioned un-updated 3.0 content is treated as official 3.5 content, as a general rule.

I just wanted to repeat this for emphasis, since so many people don't seem to understand that 3.0 is a part of 3.5.

[unseenmage]

Not so much interested in the mighty Rod of Construct Mindf***ery. The point is to have the Golems beat the proverbial snot out of one another.