Holy Symbols

[Goblin_Priest]

Just occurred to me that none of these vampire clerics should be able to cast their spells, because they don't have holy symbols of Hel!

Guess we'll just be handwaving that away, now, though. :P

[Fyraltari]

The Church of Hel seems holy the first thing a Cleric wears around their neck.
Prove otherwise (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1017.html).

[factotum]

I just read the Cleric description on the SRD and it didn't specify clerics need their holy symbol to cast spells, just to turn/rebuke undead?

[The Pilgrim]

The Holy Symbol is only really needed to turn/rebuke undead.
Hel is an evil deity and thus grats rebuke undead to her clerics.
All clerics of Hel are undead, as Hel can't make clerics among the living.

Therefore, Hel doesn't gives a Holy Symbol to her clerics, to prevent them from going blind for bolstering themselves (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0873.html).

[Mad Humanist]

The Holy Symbol is only really needed to turn/rebuke undead.
Hel is an evil deity and thus grats rebuke undead to her clerics.
All clerics of Hel are undead, as Hel can't make clerics among the living.

Therefore, Hel doesn't gives a Holy Symbol to her clerics, to prevent them from going blind for bolstering themselves (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0873.html).

Who would have guessed that Tarquin had such a dirty mind?

[Goblin_Priest]

I just read the Cleric description on the SRD and it didn't specify clerics need their holy symbol to cast spells, just to turn/rebuke undead?

Most cleric spells require the "divine focus".


Divine Focus (DF)

A divine focus component is an item of spiritual significance. The divine focus for a cleric or a paladin is a holy symbol appropriate to the character’s faith.

If the Components line includes F/DF or M/DF, the arcane version of the spell has a focus component or a material component (the abbreviation before the slash) and the divine version has a divine focus component (the abbreviation after the slash).

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Most cleric spells require the "divine focus".

Indeed. On the other hand, it is usually easy to desecrate a holy symbol of another religion to make it acceptable to your own. Usually, by breaking it or defiling it or both - say, take Thor's symbol, brake off half the hammer head, drop a few vampire blood drops, now it is a holy symbol that Hel I'm sure will find acceptable.

Grey Wolf

[woweedd]

Who would have guessed that Tarquin had such a dirty mind?
...Please tell me that’s sarcasm.

[factotum]

Most cleric spells require the "divine focus".

Ah, OK, I missed that bit.

Having said that--all the vampires we're currently seeing are ex-members of the Cult of Stone, right? Since they didn't have a deity, would they have had a holy symbol to start with? And I guess it's up to Hel what makes a valid divine symbol for her worship--maybe she considers the vampiric body itself to be a sign of faith!

[Fyraltari]

Blue robed Vampire’s host served Thor. And if the Creed of the Stone did not require a holy symbol I wonder why each of its member carries a lump of rock as a necklace.

[Kish]

Regardless of deity or lack thereof, no one can cast a spell that requires a divine focus without a divine focus.

(Note that some spells require a divine focus for one class but not for another--notably when they're on both the cleric and wizard/sorcerer lists--but no spell requires a divine focus for one cleric but not another.)

[hamishspence]

Complete Champion had a cantrip (orison) that allows a cleric to summon up a divine focus- presumably for these sorts of situations.

[Aveline]

For me as a non-player, this clarifies why Redcloak took the time to go get his backup holy symbol in the obviously-urgent situation of O-Chul and Darth V in the tower.

[Mad Humanist]

...Please tell me that’s sarcasm.

Actually I am not surprised that Tarquin thinks about sex a lot. However I did think he was too clever and sophisticated to make such a crude joke. I really should put this in the things I didn't notice but it sort of feels like I did not legitimately discover it.

Also if this digression from the OP's original question continues, then "Holy Symbol" will start to become a euphemism.

[Aveline]

Elan's interpretation of a holy symbol: (image link) (http://media.musiciansfriend.com/is/image/MMGS7/AAX-Aero-Crash-Cymbal-18-in/H81530000003000-00-500x500.jpg)

[Kish]

However I did think he was too clever and sophisticated to make such a crude joke.
He had to be interrupted to stop him from commenting directly on his son's girlfriend's breasts immediately after he was introduced.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

He had to be interrupted to stop him from commenting directly on his son's girlfriend's breasts immediately after he was introduced.

Not to mention the alacrity with which he adopts "wash the gorilla" or something along those lines as an euphemism for sex.

Grey Wolf

[D.One]

Since Hel can only have undead clerics, her holy symbol will always be an undead (i.e. a darkened, desecrated) version of the symbol its cleric used in life.

[Goblin_Priest]

On second though, countering myself, I'm now not convinced that they have actually cast any spells that do require a divine focus. Symbol of Death doesn't. Dispel Magic doesn't. I can't recall off the top of my head all of the spells the vampire clerics used.

Oh wait, Durkon used Righteous Might, right? That needs a DF.


Indeed. On the other hand, it is usually easy to desecrate a holy symbol of another religion to make it acceptable to your own. Usually, by breaking it or defiling it or both - say, take Thor's symbol, brake off half the hammer head, drop a few vampire blood drops, now it is a holy symbol that Hel I'm sure will find acceptable.

Grey Wolf

Hard to say how things are ruled in the OotS-verse, but personally I'd rule against that in my games. A holy symbol, to me, should be specific to the god granting the powers, and not just a desecration of an opponent's symbol. It's more about representing the god specifically than pleasing him, and there's nothing about a descecrated rock that screams "Hel".

[woweedd]

Not to mention the alacrity with which he adopts "wash the gorilla" or something along those lines as an euphemism for sex.

Grey Wolf

Also, he’s a rapist.

[Gluteus_Maximus]

Hard to say how things are ruled in the OotS-verse, but personally I'd rule against that in my games. A holy symbol, to me, should be specific to the god granting the powers, and not just a desecration of an opponent's symbol. It's more about representing the god specifically than pleasing him, and there's nothing about a descecrated rock that screams "Hel".

Note that all clerics of thor-turned-vampire-thralls have a black gem in their holy symbol, as opposed to the blue ones that Minrah, Tinna, Rogo, High Priestess Rubyrock, and Brother Sandstone use.

They're desecrated for hel, thanks to their dark energy and servitude to her (Durkon's immediately changed back when he was turned, and as it seems to be, the other clerics' did as well).

Presumably, the rocks that the Creed Of Stone vampire clerics use are similarly corrupted. This is why there's no question of their former gods/rocks of worship stopping to decide to not give them spells for the day.

The holy symbol is the link between the cleric and the god- So in lieu of having to go grab half a dozen Hel-specific symbols (uncommon, considering no one really worships her), her vampires instantly change their (gem)stone to be corrupted in her name.

It's representing her in the way that in corrupting the clerics' holy symbols symbolizes her gaining power over all as she welcomes in all the dwarf souls to power her throughout the next world's tenure.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Also, he’s a rapist.

Well, yes, but while "classy" and "rapist" are not mutually exclusive categories, they are also not particularly correlated. He is also a murderer, after all. And a massive egomaniacal, self-interested, egotistic, egoistic, selfish, self-seeking, self-regarding, self-absorbed, self-obsessed, self-loving, narcissistic, vain, conceited, proud, self-important a-hole. All of which can include both classy and crude individuals.

Grey Wolf

[Rogar Demonblud]

I think the phrase you're looking for is "sexist, egotistical, lying, hypocritical bigot".

[Fyraltari]

Well, yes, but while "classy" and "rapist" are not mutually exclusive categories, they are also not particularly correlated. He is also a murderer, after all. And a massive egomaniacal, self-interested, egotistic, egoistic, selfish, self-seeking, self-regarding, self-absorbed, self-obsessed, self-loving, narcissistic, vain, conceited, proud, self-important a-hole. All of which can include both classy and crude individuals.

Grey Wolf

And he never once reported to the Redudancy Bureau of Redudancy, the fiend!

[D.One]

Well, yes, but while "classy" and "rapist" are not mutually exclusive categories, they are also not particularly correlated. He is also a murderer, after all. And a massive egomaniacal, self-interested, egotistic, egoistic, selfish, self-seeking, self-regarding, self-absorbed, self-obsessed, self-loving, narcissistic, vain, conceited, proud, self-important a-hole. All of which can include both classy and crude individuals.

Grey Wolf

And now I'm thinking of some of those RPG systens, like Numenera, where adjectives define some of the character's statistics.

[Peelee]

He had to be interrupted to stop him from commenting directly on his son's girlfriend's breasts immediately after he was introduced.Not to mention the alacrity with which he adopts "wash the gorilla" or something along those lines as an euphemism for sex.

Grey WolfAnd don't forget calling a succubus a booby trap (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0858.html) or reminiscing about his sexploits in the middle of a battle (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0862.html).

[Mordar]

Well, yes, but while "classy" and "rapist" are not mutually exclusive categories, they are also not particularly correlated. He is also a murderer, after all. And a massive egomaniacal, self-interested, egotistic, egoistic, selfish, self-seeking, self-regarding, self-absorbed, self-obsessed, self-loving, narcissistic, vain, conceited, proud, self-important a-hole. All of which can include both classy and crude individuals.

Grey Wolf

You forgot "...with delusions of grandeur" on the list.

- M

[ijuinkun]

Actually I am not surprised that Tarquin thinks about sex a lot.

Also, given that several of his many wives seemed to have been political nobodies, he probably married them for the sex rather than for politics or money.

[KorvinStarmast]

And now I'm thinking of some of those RPG systens, like Numenera, where adjectives define some of the character's statistics. Yeah, I did as well.

And don't forget calling a succubus a booby trap (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0858.html) or reminiscing about his sexploits in the middle of a battle (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0862.html). Who could ever forget about giving their pet orangutang a bath (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0740.html)?
Also, given that several of his many wives seemed to have been political nobodies, he probably married them for the sex rather than for politics or money. I am bleeding due to how hard I have to bite my tongue to avoid an RL politics observation. Not your fault. *heads off to get alcohol, swabs, and such*

[JeenLeen]

On topic: I think a good point about the holy symbols, but probably (as noted) easy to desecrate one. I can also see an evil god accepting other holy symbols as part of their own, when twisted against the original cleric, sorta like a trickster god's cleric might use another god's to deceive about who they really serve. Not sure on the RAW for a given setting for those things, but seems cool and decent for the comic.


I think the phrase you're looking for is "sexist, egotistical, lying, hypocritical bigot".

Has he displayed hypocrisy?

He seems pretty straight-forward in his exploits, when not actively deceiving the country he's currently serving (well, controlling and pretending to serve) or conquering. While I suppose that is hypocrisy in the sense of pretending to be a servant while actually being the ruler, he's fairly straight about what he's doing to folk who matter narratively (which, to him, is folk who matter.)

[Rogar Demonblud]

He's also a hypocrite when he talks about being a good father, an acceptable marriage match or even a decent human being.

Also, I'm sad you don't recognize the movie quote. That was a groundbreakingly successful female-led film, dammit.

[Peelee]

He's also a hypocrite when he talks about being a good father, an acceptable marriage match or even a decent human being.

Also, I'm sad you don't recognize the movie quote. That was a groundbreakingly successful female-led film, dammit.

Which movie?

[Kish]

Has he displayed hypocrisy?
Google the phrase Rogar used.

Which movie?
9 to 5.

[Mightymosy]

And don't forget calling a succubus a booby trap (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0858.html) or reminiscing about his sexploits in the middle of a battle (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0862.html).

Oh, another Tarquin thread, yay! Haven't had one of those in a while!

Anyone can explain the "sexploit" here? I don't get it.

(also the booby trap one was hilarious, I'll have to give credit. It's exactly what Succubusses are: they trap you with showing sexy boobies and eat you *ugh* :-( )

[Fyraltari]

Oh, another Tarquin thread, yay! Haven't had one of those in a while!

Anyone can explain the "sexploit" here? I don't get it.

(also the booby trap one was hilarious, I'll have to give credit. It's exactly what Succubusses are: they trap you with showing sexy boobies and eat you *ugh* :-( )

What do you think happened that evening? Or do you want precisions on what the drow thought Tarquin asked for?

[Mightymosy]

What do you think happened that evening? Or do you want precisions on what the drow thought Tarquin asked for?

I am not that good with euphemisms, especially not english ones.

I thought Tarquin intended to ask for drinking water, and got oral sex.
Correct or not?

[Fyraltari]

I am not that good with euphemisms, especially not english ones.

I thought Tarquin intended to ask for drinking water, and got oral sex.
Correct or not?

Sounds about right.

[Mightymosy]

Then I don't understand what the "exploit" part is.
Given that he didn't even want sex and got it, it doesn't sound like involuntary sex to me at all, Tarquin or no Tarquin....

Isn't exploit when you force someone to give you something they don't want to, or some kind of abuse?

[hroþila]

No, an exploit is like an adventure. Don't confuse the noun with the verb.

edit:

exploit
noun [ C usually plural ] UK ​ /ˈek.splɔɪt/ US ​ /ˈek.splɔɪt/

something unusual, brave, or funny that someone has done:

She was telling me about her exploits while travelling around Africa.

Synonym
feat

[Fyraltari]

You are thinking of ‘‘exploitation’’.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

No, an exploit is like an adventure. Don't confuse the noun with the verb.

::ahem::

Bloody English language.

Mightymosy: yeah, I suspect you are thinking of the verb "to exploit" - i.e. to take advantage of. Sexploit is a portmanteau of sex and the noun exploit, which means, as hrothila says, more like "adventure" or "romp". When pronounced out loud, they sound differently - /EXploit/ (noun) vs /exPLOIT/ (verb).

I can see now why you were confused, I didn't even think you might be getting them confused, or I would've explained sooner.

Sorry 'bout that.

Grey Wolf

[Mightymosy]

Sorry about not knowing that, but that is bloody english language! How can two words with the exact same letters mean different things???
How does a verb not mean the same as a noun?
Especially in such a sensitive matter like (involuntary) sex I would prefer clear language. :-/

Well, at least I understood the scene right!
In honesty, it took me a while to get the booby trap joke, though..

Basically, the trap was obvious for the trap, and the boobies were obvious for Sabine - but the trap part didn't make sense for me with Sabine and the booby part did't make sense for the traps in the pyramid.
Then I understood that booby trap was just some term, and still didn't get the trap part on Sabine - I thought it was just a very immature gag on the word boobies. But since a succubus is LITERALLY a sex trap, now I find the joke reaally clever =)

[Peelee]

Sorry about not knowing that, but that is bloody english language! How can two words with the exact same letters mean different things???


Welcome to English, where the words are made up and the rules don't matter.

I like "auto-antonyms," but "Janus words (https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/words-own-opposites)" is also popular.

[Fyraltari]

::ahem::

Bloody English language.

Mightymosy: yeah, I suspect you are thinking of the verb "to exploit" - i.e. to take advantage of. Sexploit is a portmanteau of sex and the noun exploit, which means, as hrothila says, more like "adventure" or "romp". When pronounced out loud, they sound differently - /EXploit/ (noun) vs /exPLOIT/ (verb).

I can see now why you were confused, I didn't even think you might be getting them confused, or I would've explained sooner.

Sorry 'bout that.

Grey Wolf
Actually this one is on us French, I think. See the noun ‘‘exploit’’ also exists in French, as well as the verb ‘‘exploiter’’ (same meaning in both cases, I suspect loanwords) whose root is ‘‘exploit-’’ however there can be no confusion as there are no conjugation of "exploiter" which sounds like "exploit" (the t is silent in French).

Sorry about not knowing that, but that is bloody english language! How can two words with the exact same letters mean different things???
How does a verb not mean the same as a noun?
Especially in such a sensitive matter like (involuntary) sex I would prefer clear language. :-/
We have homonyms (words that sound the same) like ‘‘je suis’’ (I am, final s silent) and ‘‘je suit’’ (I follow, the t is... take a guess) and we have homographs (words that are spelled the same) like ‘‘tour’’ which means both tower and turn. Note that since French pronunciation has actual rules and the stress is always at the end of the word, every homograph is also an homonym (unless you count ‘‘maïs’’, corn, and ‘‘mais’’, but).
We have a lot of those in French, it’s fun.

Welcome to English, where the words are made up and the rules don't matter.

I like "auto-antonyms," but "Janus words (https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/words-own-opposites)" is also popular.
Never heard of those. I like Janus word but auto-antonym would mean a word which means both one thing and its opposite so that’s narrower. It exists though like the verb ‘‘to rent’’.

[Gluteus_Maximus]

Looks at thread title: Holy Symbols (subject has been resolved for a week)
Looks at the majority of the subject: Tarquin's sexism
Looks at the current topic: Etymology and Definitions of the word "Exploit"
I ain't no staff but if you guys are passionate about this topic you should make a new thread

[Fyraltari]

Looks at thread title: Holy Symbols (subject has been resolved for a week)
Looks at the majority of the subject: Tarquin's sexism
Looks at the current topic: Etymology and Definitions of the word "Exploit"
I ain't no staff but if you guys are passionate about this topic you should make a new thread
This is not how we do things around these parts.

[Aveline]

My two cents: as well as having the sense of a whimsical adventure, "exploit" (noun, emphasis on ex) is common gamer slang for an unintended feature due to e.g. glitches or design errors. Super Smash Bros Melee and Dark Souls (the first) are largely characterized by exploits, for example. (Dark Souls netplay is, unfortunately, extremely degenerate due to exploits.)

Oh, and in a colloquial, sexual context, "trap" can also be a slur for "transgender person", which is hardly a stretch to apply to Sabine. I know that's not what Rich meant at all and I doubt the possibility even crossed his mind but still, it just tastes bad.

Edit: "Right, well, all the more so then."

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Actually this one is on us French I think. See the noun ‘‘exploit’’ also exists in French, as well as the verb ‘‘exploiter’’ (same meaning in both cases, I suspect loanwords) whose root is ‘‘exploit-’’ however there can be no confusion as there are no conjugation of exploiter which sounds like exploit (the t is silent in French).

Nah, mate. Blame for English is not transitive. It's their own damn fault for pillaging languages with abandon. Especially when you essentially say "they got it from French, but in French there is no confusion". Well, Bloody English could damn well stolen the bit that fixes the issue.:smalltongue:

Grey Wolf

[Fyraltari]

Nah, mate. Blame for English is not transitive. It's their own damn fault for pillaging languages with abandon. Especially when you essentially say "they got it from French, but in French there is no confusion". Well, Bloody English could damn well stolen the bit that fixes the issue.:smalltongue:

Grey Wolf

Well, one can hardly blame them for getting conquered.

[Borris]

We have homonyms (words that sound the same) like ‘‘je suis’’ (I am, final s silent) and ‘‘je suit’’ (I follow, the t is... take a guess).

Actually, "I am" and "I follow" are both spelled as "Je suis", making them both homographs and homonyms. No first-person singular verb ever ends in t.

[Peelee]

Je suis Napoleon! Ha ha, naw, it's me, Bender!

[Fyraltari]

Actually, "I am" and "I follow" are both spelled as "Je suis", making them both homographs and homonyms. No first-person singular verb ever ends in t.

My face is red right now. My only defense (and it's a poor one) was that I was thinking about the "cogito ergo sum"/Usually, you are the one who thinks and I am the one who follows pun" from Astérix Légionnaire, but Obélix was using third person for that one.

Edit: okay homonyms: verre (glass), vert (green), ver (worm) and vers (toward/verse).

[Mightymosy]

But at least in French the words with different meaning are SPELLED differently, no?

[Fyraltari]

But at least in French the words with different meaning are SPELLED differently, no?

Not necessarily.

[hroþila]

Yeah, every language has that. English is not *that* special.

[factotum]

Yeah, every language has that. English is not *that* special.

It probably does happen a bit more often in English than most languages because of the sheer number of different sources we have for words, though.

[Borris]

From a francophone's perspective, I'd say the worst part about English is that you often read a word without having any idea how to pronounce it.

How come dead rhymes with lead and read, but not with read and lead?

[Peelee]

From a francophone's perspective, I'd say the worst part about English is that you often read a word without having any idea how to pronounce it.

How come dead rhymes with lead and read, but not with read and lead?

Sometimes there are clues. Polish and polish, for example, doing sound alone and have entirely different definitions, but that's clear from just looking at them.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Sometimes there are clues. Polish and polish, for example, doing sound alone and have entirely different definitions, but that's clear from just looking at them.

Polish, you mean? Hard to tell, the clues seem to depend on where the word is in the sentence.

I spent years thinking that "chaos" and "keos" where two synonyms for disorder, because I heard the latter a lot in conversation, but only ever found the former in writing, and I couldn't imagine they were one and the same.

Grey Wolf

[Peelee]

Polish, you mean? Hard to tell, the clues seem to depend on where the word is in the sentence.

Grey Wolf

Yes, shame it just happened to be at the beginning of a new sentence. :smallamused:

[KrankenWagon]

Nah, mate. Blame for English is not transitive. It's their own damn fault for pillaging languages with abandon. Especially when you essentially say "they got it from French, but in French there is no confusion". Well, Bloody English could damn well stolen the bit that fixes the issue.:smalltongue:

Grey Wolf

Hey, it was you french who forced your language on us. 1066 worst year of my life.

[Fyraltari]

Sometimes there are clues. Polish and polish, for example, doing sound alone and have entirely different definitions, but that's clear from just looking at them.
These aren’t pronounced the same?

Hey, it was you french who forced your language on us. 1066 worst year of my life.
Grey Wolf isn’t French.

[Rogar Demonblud]

No. Polish as in nationality is Poh-lish, polish as in cleaning agent is pah-lish.

[Peelee]

It is, to the best of my knowledge, the only case in English sheet capitalization changes pronunciation (so long as you avoid beginning of sentence capitalization shenanigans). But yeah, if you polish your Polish sword, then you pronounce 'em different.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

These aren’t pronounced the same?
Nope. Polish is "Poulish" while polish is "pohlish".

Bloody English language.

(I probably should officially declare that my catch phrase in the appropriate thread)


Grey Wolf isn’t French.
I will neither confirm nor deny my nationality. Or that I even have one.

Grey Wolf

[Peelee]

I will neither confirm nor deny my nationality. Or that I even have one.

Grey Wolf

While I'm all on board with the former, I'm going to go ahead and assume you have a nationality. If only because I've read way too many Sovereign Citizens asking about how to abdicate their citizenship without obtaining another one, which by every rational account is just the worst idea ever.

[factotum]

Maybe he considers himself a citizen of Bir Tawil, that bit of land between Egypt and Sudan which is claimed by neither and is thus the only piece of land on the planet (apart from Antarctica) not claimed by any country?

[Mightymosy]

Errrmmm......look at his name and his picture:
He is obviously a lone wolf, belonging to no pack, much less to any nation ;-)

[Borris]

Errrmmm......look at his name and his picture:
He is obviously a lone wolf, belonging to no pack, much less to any nation ;-)

Are you saying he's a...

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[KillianHawkeye]

Sorry about not knowing that, but that is bloody english language! How can two words with the exact same letters mean different things???

Tell that to the racer who came in second because he finished one second late. I once had a witch try to entrance me down by the building's entrance. I went fishing and caught a big bass while playing bass guitar. I once had a garbage man refuse to empty my refuse bins. When my friend tried to pay for my dinner, I tried to object, but he told me that money was no object. Seeing all the new content in my news feed makes me feel very content. Now wipe away your tears while you repair the tears in this clothing, and pick up the down pillow from down on the ground while I go get some ground beef. Watch out for the wind while I wind up this clock. And fine tune the settings on that machine while I examine the fine edge of this fine looking knife. Oops, I forgot to pay the fine for my speeding tickets.

Now I'll tie this ribbon in a bow while I go take a bow at the bow of the ship. :smallbiggrin:

[Aveline]

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

[Mad Humanist]

Maybe he considers himself a citizen of Bir Tawil, that bit of land between Egypt and Sudan which is claimed by neither and is thus the only piece of land on the planet (apart from Antarctica) not claimed by any country?

Arguably not correct. There are about 7 km2 not claimed by either Serbia or Croatia. However someone has tried to set up a new state called Liberland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland) in the area.

[Squire Doodad]

Arguably not correct. There are about 7 km2 not claimed by either Serbia or Croatia. However someone has tried to set up a new state called Liberland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland) in the area.

They should name it New Nuevoland. Sounds like it'd be a nice name.

[Wizard_Lizard]

What if... ...vampire teeth were their holy symbol?