rogue1 wizard5 unseen seer 5 Too much??

[Mordante]

Is my character just too much??

Xeph
Str 10 Dex 20 Con 14 Int 21 Wis 12 Cha 13

Build is as follows
rogue1 wizard5 unseen seer 5
Feats
Able Learner, Craven, Extend Spell, Spontaneous Divination, Twin Spell, Silint Spell, Arcane Thesis. at lvl 12 Pratical Meta Magic

Items
Collar of Umbral Metamorphosis, Headband of Intellect +4, Gloves of Dexterity +4, +2 light crosbow

Advanced Learning
Divine Insight
Hunter's Eye

Not sure if my DM will aprove of this character. Maybe too many and to strong magic items

[noob]

there is a cap in percentage of wealth for magic items.
is the umbral collar falling within that cap?
You could argue that the lost caster level is crippling your character(it is a fact) for getting your collar.
The crossbow is just a bad idea remove it: it does not helps this build.
If you start your progression with a wizard level then you get the option to take collegiate wizard which makes you gain 4 spells per level instead of 2.
So you could go wiz 1/ rogue 1/the rest.
There is ways to qualify for a sneak attack granting class that provides spellcasting without levels in rogue.

Also are you aware that even if a skill is not a class skill having that skill as a class skill once allows you to forever have its cap raised to total level +3 (it will still cost twice as much to put a point if it is not a class skill at that level)

[Anthrowhale]

You need practiced spellcaster to avoid retarding your caster level for non-divine spells. This is important if the DM enforces a minimum caster level of spell level*2-1 without which you cannot cast the spell.

[noob]

You need practiced spellcaster to avoid retarding your caster level for non-divine spells. This is important if the DM enforces a minimum caster level of spell level*2-1 without which you cannot cast the spell.

unseen seer progress caster level in wizard in his build
rogue does not progress spell slots
so he lose both a caster level and have its spell slots delayed of one level so even with practiced spellcaster he will not be able to cast spells of level (level+1)/2

[Anthrowhale]

unseen seer progress caster level in wizard in his build
rogue does not progress spell slots
so he lose both a caster level and have its spell slots delayed of one level so even with practiced spellcaster he will not be able to cast spells of level (level+1)/2

Read divination spell power to see the issue.

[noob]

Read divination spell power to see the issue.

you are suggesting he is not using ability rip to lose that class feature?

[zergling.exe]

What is the optimization level of the rest of the table? Do you have samples of past characters made by the other players? What kind of game will it be?

Your question is impossible to answer without more information, as we can already say 'no, you lost a caster level' but that might not be relevant to your game. A build without context tells us nothing but that you can follow optimization tricks.

[Mordante]

What is the optimization level of the rest of the table? Do you have samples of past characters made by the other players? What kind of game will it be?

Your question is impossible to answer without more information, as we can already say 'no, you lost a caster level' but that might not be relevant to your game. A build without context tells us nothing but that you can follow optimization tricks.

The party consists of about 8 people of whom 4 show up regularly.

1) Bard, he is there about 50% of the time. Has never opened a rule book. Has epic perform stats but otherwise useless
2) Wizard or Sorc. She always forgets her sheet or loses it. She loves playing but is completely useless most of the time. Her most powerful magic item is a dress that look fabulous.
3) Half Orc fighter/barbarian? Can really hit hard, is focused on close combat. But he has a rather high int for a fighter. Used to be evil now between neutral and evil. Loves to hurt others
4) Rogue a sneaky kind he is almost a decent player. Nothing really annoying about him
5) Druid, she like D&D but loses interest fast especially when the sorc/wizard is there as well. Lots of talk about shoes and dresses. Can spend a whole session on choosing the right dress for a fancy dinner.
6) Rogue/bard or something. He's a very good player. Lots of knowledge about the game.
7) Le me

Last 6 session there has been no combat. We are in a human city figuring out political and financial problems.

With Unseen Seer you gain caster levels in divination and lose caster levels in other realms. Does this influences spells per day? I don't thinks so. As far as I'm aware it only influences the spell effectiveness.

I doubt we will ever reach level 18+

[noob]

The party consists of about 8 people of whom 4 show up regularly.

1) Bard, he is there about 50% of the time. Has never opened a rule book. Has epic perform stats but otherwise useless
2) Wizard or Sorc. She always forgets her sheet or loses it. She loves playing but is completely useless most of the time. Her most powerful magic item is a dress that look fabulous.
3) Half Orc fighter/barbarian? Can really hit hard, is focused on close combat. But he has a rather high int for a fighter. Used to be evil now between neutral and evil. Loves to hurt others
4) Rogue a sneaky kind he is almost a decent player. Nothing really annoying about him
5) Druid, she like D&D but loses interest fast especially when the sorc/wizard is there as well. Lots of talk about shoes and dresses. Can spend a whole session on choosing the right dress for a fancy dinner.
6) Rogue/bard or something. He's a very good player. Lots of knowledge about the game.
7) Le me

Last 6 session there has been no combat. We are in a human city figuring out political and financial problems.

With Unseen Seer you gain caster levels in divination and lose caster levels in other realms. Does this influences spells per day? I don't thinks so. As far as I'm aware it only influences the spell effectiveness.

I doubt we will ever reach level 18+

If the bard is not interested in the spellcasting part of the bard class then the bard can take a single level in exemplar to gain the ability to make people love him by performing.
Afterwards the bard will probably get a lot of fans easier.

[Kaleph]

you are suggesting he is not using ability rip to lose that class feature?

Naive question: do you really mean ability rip, or you've mistaken it for another spell? Ability rip normally works on non-class Su abilities, and divination spell power is an Ex class ability. Or is there a trick to make it work anyhow that I don't know?

[Mordante]

Naive question: do you really mean ability rip, or you've mistaken it for another spell? Ability rip normally works on non-class Su abilities, and divination spell power is an Ex class ability. Or is there a trick to make it work anyhow that I don't know?

Sometimes when I read posts in this forum I think I have found a secret spy network where people change information in code :p

I read it it but have no idea what you are saying, sorry.

[noob]

Naive question: do you really mean ability rip, or you've mistaken it for another spell? Ability rip normally works on non-class Su abilities, and divination spell power is an Ex class ability. Or is there a trick to make it work anyhow that I don't know?

The trick is that when you steal an ability and do not have supernatural abilities to give up(which is the case in that build) then you lose an extraordinary ability.
And you do not recover lost abilities so you do not get back the extraordinary ability you gave up.
Oh sorry I confused two things.
Now I do not know where is that thing that made you lose an ex ability if you have no sur ones.

[Kaleph]

The trick is that when you steal an ability and do not have supernatural abilities to give up(which is the case in that build) then you lose an extraordinary ability.
And you do not recover lost abilities so you do not get back the extraordinary ability you gave up.
Oh sorry I confused two things.
Now I do not know where is that thing that made you lose an ex ability if you have no sur ones.

That's why I was curious - I was thinking you meant remove trait (which could work but needs some other trick to become permanent).

[Mordante]

So after level 12 would it be smart to into spell thief or arcane sniper or????

[noob]

So after level 12 would it be smart to into spell thief or arcane sniper or????

I think the best thing after that level would be to go on a retraining quest to lose the rogue class.
What matters is that you had the rogue class once: afterwards the skill is forever half class skill and have its maximum rank calculated differently forever.
So retrain to lose the rogue class and the unseen seer class and replace everything with regular wizard levels or full casting progressing classes once you reach level 12 because else you are going to feel obsolete when compared to a normal single classed wizard.

[Mordante]

I think the best thing after that level would be to go on a retraining quest to lose the rogue class.
What matters is that you had the rogue class once: afterwards the skill is forever half class skill and have its maximum rank calculated differently forever.
So retrain to lose the rogue class and the unseen seer class and replace everything with regular wizard levels or full casting progressing classes once you reach level 12 because else you are going to feel obsolete when compared to a normal single classed wizard.

That would be boring and would certainly not fit me character story/background.

[noob]

That would be boring and would certainly not fit me character story/background.

So you do not plan to have your character become less and less violent then discover that it does no longer want to harm people and give up its ability to sneak attack(and possibly stop preparing damage spells or even start preparing non lethal incapacitation spells)?
Know that you keep the same skill cap formulae when you no longer have levels in the rogue class so you can keep having maxed rogue skills.

[ottdmk]

I currently play a Rogue 1/Diviner 4/Unseen Seer 7. I don't try to optimize it nearly as much as you seem to be doing. We were given a 25 point ability buy to start, for example (Rocking a Charisma 8 Strength 9).

Still, it's a lot of fun. I'm currently planning on staying in Unseen Seer through L10, and then switching to Spellwarp Sniper. I was thinking about Arcane Trickster but the Sniper is better, imho, in a number of ways; plus I think it suits the character better.

So many Prestige Classes though, so few levels (DM plans to take us to 20th, but no further.) I'd love to go Master Specialist for example... :biggrin:

[noob]

I currently play a Rogue 1/Diviner 4/Unseen Seer 7. I don't try to optimize it nearly as much as you seem to be doing. We were given a 25 point ability buy to start, for example (Rocking a Charisma 8 Strength 9).

Still, it's a lot of fun. I'm currently planning on staying in Unseen Seer through L10, and then switching to Spellwarp Sniper. I was thinking about Arcane Trickster but the Sniper is better, imho, in a number of ways; plus I think it suits the character better.

So many Prestige Classes though, so few levels (DM plans to take us to 20th, but no further.) I'd love to go Master Specialist for example... :biggrin:

While master specialist does not gives the best options for a divination specialist it is still a good class especially if you take it for quick branching in archmage.