DracoDei
2019-05-04, 02:26 PM
The handy-dandy Notable thread "Table Pre-sets and Tablemaking tutorial" (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?205677-Table-Pre-sets-and-Tablemaking-tutorial/page3) has yet to be extended to 5e.
EDIT: Apparently this had all already been done (unsurprising!), but it hasn't been copy-pasted to that pseudo-sticking thread above. I don't know where said "prior art" is, so I can't do it (at least until someone links me...). Nor its quality or diversity. Going to leave this here in all its un-finished glory in case one or the other of those factors is missing from the pre-existing thread.
[/EDIT]
EDIT^2: Well, I've been linked, the thread in question (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?415265-Preset-Class-Tables-for-5e-Homebrew) is missing some of the tables I made, and doesn't have [ code][ noparse] blocks. The most important missing table is the one for Eldritch Knight/Arcane Trickster stuff.
I think what I have here is actually more appropriate for adding to that psuedo-sticky thread, but it may have errors.
[/EDIT^2]
I think this should fix it, but I wanted a lot of review before I (or someone else) added it, to make sure there are no errors or table pre-sets that I neglected to include that would be useful.
If anyone quotes this to post an improvement, be sure to change stuff inside the matching [ code] [ noparse] tags as well as the table that actually gets displayed.
I used [ CENTER] tags where I probably could have added ="align:center" to the [ td] tag, and I included some helpful reminders in the tables that don't actually get displayed, but could help people to remember which column is which when they are in the middle of a table... the added character count probably won't make a difference to anyone but me* since this IS 5e. However in some cases the columns might be mis-labled. Also, I'm not sure that labeling all the 1 to 9 spell levels is necessary, since those numbers would require a very daring mind to mess with in 5e.
*I tend to write walls of text relative to whichever edition I am working with.
The dancing ascii between the tables is from the thread I hope to have this added to in when The Playground has sufficiently polished it.
If I don't get any responses within... say a week? I may go ahead and add this on the theory that "something is better than nothing".
5e Tables, Part 1 of 2
Level
Proficiency
Bonus
Features
1st
+2
2nd
+2
3rd
+2
4th
+2
5th
+3
6th
+3
7th
+3
8th
+3
9th
+4
10th
+4
11th
+4
12th
+4
13th
+5
14th
+5
15th
+5
16th
+5
17th
+6
18th
+6
19th
+6
20th
+6
Level
Proficiency
Bonus
Features
1st
+2
2nd
+2
3rd
+2
4th
+2
5th
+3
6th
+3
7th
+3
8th
+3
9th
+4
10th
+4
11th
+4
12th
+4
13th
+5
14th
+5
15th
+5
16th
+5
17th
+6
18th
+6
19th
+6
20th
+6
<(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)>
Level
Proficiency
Bonus
???
???
???
Features
1st
+2
2nd
+2
3rd
+2
4th
+2
5th
+3
6th
+3
7th
+3
8th
+3
9th
+4
10th
+4
11th
+4
12th
+4
13th
+5
14th
+5
15th
+5
16th
+5
17th
+6
18th
+6
19th
+6
20th
+6
Level
Proficiency
Bonus
???
???
???
Features
1st
+2
2nd
+2
3rd
+2
4th
+2
5th
+3
6th
+3
7th
+3
8th
+3
9th
+4
10th
+4
11th
+4
12th
+4
13th
+5
14th
+5
15th
+5
16th
+5
17th
+6
18th
+6
19th
+6
20th
+6
<(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)>
Level
Proficiency
Bonus
Features
???
???
???
1st
+2
2nd
+2
3rd
+2
4th
+2
5th
+3
6th
+3
7th
+3
8th
+3
9th
+4
10th
+4
11th
+4
12th
+4
13th
+5
14th
+5
15th
+5
16th
+5
17th
+6
18th
+6
19th
+6
20th
+6
Level
Proficiency
Bonus
Features
???
???
???
1st
+2
2nd
+2
3rd
+2
4th
+2
5th
+3
6th
+3
7th
+3
8th
+3
9th
+4
10th
+4
11th
+4
12th
+4
13th
+5
14th
+5
15th
+5
16th
+5
17th
+6
18th
+6
19th
+6
20th
+6
<(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)>
Spell Slots per spell level
Level
Proficiency
Bonus
Features
Cantrips
Known
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
1st
+2
features
cantrips
21st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
2nd
+2
cantrips
31st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
3rd
+2
cantrips
41st
22nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
4th
+2
((ASI?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
5th[/td]
+3
cantrips
41st
32nd
23rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
6th
+3
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
7th
+3
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
14th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
8th
+3
((ASI?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
24th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
9th
+4
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
15th
6th
7th
8th
9th
10th
+4
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
6th
7th
8th
9th
11th
+4
cantrips
41st
3\2nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
7th
8th
9th
12th
+4
((ASI? Probably going to need something here since they don't get any new spell slots?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
7th
8th
9th
13th
+5
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
8th
9th
14th
+5
((Probably going to need something here since they don't get any new spell slots?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
18th
9th
15th
+5
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
18th
9th
16th
+5
((ASI? Probably going to need something here since they don't get any new spell slots?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
18th
9th
17th
+6
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
18th
19th
18th
+6
((MIGHT need something here since they only add a single 5th level spell slot?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
35th
16th
17th
18th
19th
19th
+6
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
35th
26th
17th
18th
19th
20th
+6
((ASI??))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
35th
26th
27th
18th
19th
Spell Slots per spell level
Level
Proficiency
Bonus
Features
Cantrips
Known
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
1st
+2
features
cantrips
21st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
2nd
+2
cantrips
31st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
3rd
+2
cantrips
41st
22nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
4th
+2
((ASI?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
5th[/td]
+3
cantrips
41st
32nd
23rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
6th
+3
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
7th
+3
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
14th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
8th
+3
((ASI?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
24th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
9th
+4
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
15th
6th
7th
8th
9th
10th
+4
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
6th
7th
8th
9th
11th
+4
cantrips
41st
3\2nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
7th
8th
9th
12th
+4
((ASI? Probably going to need something here since they don't get any new spell slots?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
7th
8th
9th
13th
+5
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
8th
9th
14th
+5
((Probably going to need something here since they don't get any new spell slots?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
18th
9th
15th
+5
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
18th
9th
16th
+5
((ASI? Probably going to need something here since they don't get any new spell slots?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
18th
9th
17th
+6
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
18th
19th
18th
+6
((MIGHT need something here since they only add a single 5th level spell slot?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
35th
16th
17th
18th
19th
19th
+6
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
35th
26th
17th
18th
19th
20th
+6
((ASI??))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
35th
26th
27th
18th
19th
EDIT: Apparently this had all already been done (unsurprising!), but it hasn't been copy-pasted to that pseudo-sticking thread above. I don't know where said "prior art" is, so I can't do it (at least until someone links me...). Nor its quality or diversity. Going to leave this here in all its un-finished glory in case one or the other of those factors is missing from the pre-existing thread.
[/EDIT]
EDIT^2: Well, I've been linked, the thread in question (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?415265-Preset-Class-Tables-for-5e-Homebrew) is missing some of the tables I made, and doesn't have [ code][ noparse] blocks. The most important missing table is the one for Eldritch Knight/Arcane Trickster stuff.
I think what I have here is actually more appropriate for adding to that psuedo-sticky thread, but it may have errors.
[/EDIT^2]
I think this should fix it, but I wanted a lot of review before I (or someone else) added it, to make sure there are no errors or table pre-sets that I neglected to include that would be useful.
If anyone quotes this to post an improvement, be sure to change stuff inside the matching [ code] [ noparse] tags as well as the table that actually gets displayed.
I used [ CENTER] tags where I probably could have added ="align:center" to the [ td] tag, and I included some helpful reminders in the tables that don't actually get displayed, but could help people to remember which column is which when they are in the middle of a table... the added character count probably won't make a difference to anyone but me* since this IS 5e. However in some cases the columns might be mis-labled. Also, I'm not sure that labeling all the 1 to 9 spell levels is necessary, since those numbers would require a very daring mind to mess with in 5e.
*I tend to write walls of text relative to whichever edition I am working with.
The dancing ascii between the tables is from the thread I hope to have this added to in when The Playground has sufficiently polished it.
If I don't get any responses within... say a week? I may go ahead and add this on the theory that "something is better than nothing".
5e Tables, Part 1 of 2
Level
Proficiency
Bonus
Features
1st
+2
2nd
+2
3rd
+2
4th
+2
5th
+3
6th
+3
7th
+3
8th
+3
9th
+4
10th
+4
11th
+4
12th
+4
13th
+5
14th
+5
15th
+5
16th
+5
17th
+6
18th
+6
19th
+6
20th
+6
Level
Proficiency
Bonus
Features
1st
+2
2nd
+2
3rd
+2
4th
+2
5th
+3
6th
+3
7th
+3
8th
+3
9th
+4
10th
+4
11th
+4
12th
+4
13th
+5
14th
+5
15th
+5
16th
+5
17th
+6
18th
+6
19th
+6
20th
+6
<(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)>
Level
Proficiency
Bonus
???
???
???
Features
1st
+2
2nd
+2
3rd
+2
4th
+2
5th
+3
6th
+3
7th
+3
8th
+3
9th
+4
10th
+4
11th
+4
12th
+4
13th
+5
14th
+5
15th
+5
16th
+5
17th
+6
18th
+6
19th
+6
20th
+6
Level
Proficiency
Bonus
???
???
???
Features
1st
+2
2nd
+2
3rd
+2
4th
+2
5th
+3
6th
+3
7th
+3
8th
+3
9th
+4
10th
+4
11th
+4
12th
+4
13th
+5
14th
+5
15th
+5
16th
+5
17th
+6
18th
+6
19th
+6
20th
+6
<(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)>
Level
Proficiency
Bonus
Features
???
???
???
1st
+2
2nd
+2
3rd
+2
4th
+2
5th
+3
6th
+3
7th
+3
8th
+3
9th
+4
10th
+4
11th
+4
12th
+4
13th
+5
14th
+5
15th
+5
16th
+5
17th
+6
18th
+6
19th
+6
20th
+6
Level
Proficiency
Bonus
Features
???
???
???
1st
+2
2nd
+2
3rd
+2
4th
+2
5th
+3
6th
+3
7th
+3
8th
+3
9th
+4
10th
+4
11th
+4
12th
+4
13th
+5
14th
+5
15th
+5
16th
+5
17th
+6
18th
+6
19th
+6
20th
+6
<(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)><(^-^)>
Spell Slots per spell level
Level
Proficiency
Bonus
Features
Cantrips
Known
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
1st
+2
features
cantrips
21st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
2nd
+2
cantrips
31st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
3rd
+2
cantrips
41st
22nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
4th
+2
((ASI?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
5th[/td]
+3
cantrips
41st
32nd
23rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
6th
+3
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
7th
+3
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
14th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
8th
+3
((ASI?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
24th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
9th
+4
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
15th
6th
7th
8th
9th
10th
+4
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
6th
7th
8th
9th
11th
+4
cantrips
41st
3\2nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
7th
8th
9th
12th
+4
((ASI? Probably going to need something here since they don't get any new spell slots?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
7th
8th
9th
13th
+5
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
8th
9th
14th
+5
((Probably going to need something here since they don't get any new spell slots?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
18th
9th
15th
+5
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
18th
9th
16th
+5
((ASI? Probably going to need something here since they don't get any new spell slots?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
18th
9th
17th
+6
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
18th
19th
18th
+6
((MIGHT need something here since they only add a single 5th level spell slot?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
35th
16th
17th
18th
19th
19th
+6
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
35th
26th
17th
18th
19th
20th
+6
((ASI??))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
35th
26th
27th
18th
19th
Spell Slots per spell level
Level
Proficiency
Bonus
Features
Cantrips
Known
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
1st
+2
features
cantrips
21st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
2nd
+2
cantrips
31st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
3rd
+2
cantrips
41st
22nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
4th
+2
((ASI?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
5th[/td]
+3
cantrips
41st
32nd
23rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
6th
+3
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
7th
+3
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
14th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
8th
+3
((ASI?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
24th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
9th
+4
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
15th
6th
7th
8th
9th
10th
+4
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
6th
7th
8th
9th
11th
+4
cantrips
41st
3\2nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
7th
8th
9th
12th
+4
((ASI? Probably going to need something here since they don't get any new spell slots?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
7th
8th
9th
13th
+5
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
8th
9th
14th
+5
((Probably going to need something here since they don't get any new spell slots?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
18th
9th
15th
+5
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
18th
9th
16th
+5
((ASI? Probably going to need something here since they don't get any new spell slots?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
18th
9th
17th
+6
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
25th
16th
17th
18th
19th
18th
+6
((MIGHT need something here since they only add a single 5th level spell slot?))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
35th
16th
17th
18th
19th
19th
+6
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
35th
26th
17th
18th
19th
20th
+6
((ASI??))
cantrips
41st
32nd
33rd
34th
35th
26th
27th
18th
19th