Sublime Chord Gish build help.

[Orfean]

Ok peps, first poster here.

Working on a bard build for a campaign i'm playing in.
Stats are 32 point buy, books allowed are all non campaign official books such as complete adv, etc, frostburn cityscape and the likes, tome of battle and stuff.
No faerunian or ebberon stuff, no unearth arcana.This is what i've come up with.

Its a gish build with 16 BaB at 20 and access to 9 level spells.
Wanna find space for Dragonfire inspiration, and all other kinds of cheese.
Sacred exorsist and illumian is for persisting high level spells such as foresight, lyric thaumaturge for getting wraithstrike.
Forgot stuff. No flaws, no retraining feats, starting at 2 level.
Any other way to get 16 BaB and 9 level spells bringing in Dragonfire inspiration possible?
I could go Virtuoso instead of Eldritch Knight and taking Arcane Disciple for Peristent Divine Power if it improves the build, change around some feats etc.
Any help appreciated.

Illumian 0
Bard 1 Melodic casting
Bard 2
Bard 3 Snowflake Wardance
Bard 4
Paladin 5
Paladin 6 Devoted Performer
Lyric Thaumaturge 7
Lyric Thaumaturge 8
Lyric Thaumaturge 9 Extend Spell
Eldritch Knight 10 Power Attack
Sublime Chord 11
Sacred Exorsist 12 Persistent Spell
Sublime Chord 13
Spellsword 14
Eldritch Knight 15 Divine Might
Eldritch Knight 16
Eldritch Knight 17
Eldritch Knight 18 Arcane Strike
Eldritch Knight 19
Eldritch Knight 20

[Biggus]

Any particular reason you're not taking Abjurant Champion instead of all those Eldritch Knight levels?

[Orfean]

I am kinda feat starved , and the requirements might outweigh the benefits . Caster level is already high, and arcane boost falls a little short of arcane strike feat.
Will cconsider though.

[Biggus]

OK, I can see the logic of that. How are you meeting the "able to cast Dismissal or Dispel Evil" prerequisite for Scared Exorcist?

[Orfean]

Its on the sorcerer list, getting it from sublime Chord. :)
Gaining turn undead uses powers up the illumian sigils, allowing 9 level peristent spells such as foresight , effulgent eppuration .
The build has persistent wraithstrike , and 3 high level peristent spells from illumian sigils.
Naenhoon: Twice per day, the illumian can spend one
or more turn or rebuke undead attempts as a swift action
to add a metamagic effect to a spell she is casting,
with no effect on the spell’s casting time or effective level. She
must have the metamagic feat whose effect she wants
to apply. The illumian must expend a number of turn
or rebuke undead attempts equal to the normal level
adjustment of the metamagic feat (for example, it costs
two turn or rebuke attempts to apply an Empower Spell
effect). If she chooses to apply the Heighten Spell effect,
it costs her one turn attempt per level that she heightens
the spell, up to a maximum of 9th level

[Cerefel]

I would recommend checking out The Gish Handbook (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?321715-The-Gish-Handbook) if you haven't already. As for a specific build, I would probably do the following:


Illumian
Paladin of Freedom - Extend Spell
Paladin of Freedom
Bard - Extra Music Devoted Performer
Bard
Bard
Bard - Melodic Casting
Lyric Thaumaturge
Lyric Thaumaturge
Lyric Thaumaturge - Arcane Strike
Lyric Thaumaturge
Sublime Chord
Sacred Exorcist - Persistent Spell
Sacred Exorcist
Sacred Exorcist
Sacred Exorcist - Combat Casting
Abjurant Champion
Abjurant Champion
Abjurant Champion - Minor Shapeshift
Abjurant Champion
Abjurant Champion

I couldn't find room to fit both illumian metamagic shenanigans and Dragonfire Inspiration, but this should be a more than competant bard-based gish build

EDIT: Tweaked build to fit within OP's parameters

[Kaleph]

Before playing it, ask your master if he applies the "minimum caster level" rule; as the sublime chord casts its spells as a sorcerer does, a picky DM may assume that you need CL = 2*spell level in order to cast it.

In that case, there's an easy solution since you may drop devoted perfomer and take practiced spellcaster instead.

[Biggus]

Its on the sorcerer list, getting it from sublime Chord. :)

Ah sorry, forgot the SC gets both 4th and 5th level spells at 1st level.

[Orfean]

Paladin of freedom is not allowed, UA variant, took devoted performer instead of extra music to squeeze a bit of smite damage in, what's the minor shapeshist for?
If we cut the illumian shenaningans , can dragonfire fit somewhere there?

[Cerefel]

Ah, missed the no UA bit there, sorry. Minor Shapeshift is a reserve feat that lets you gain CL temp HP as a swift action as long as you have an available polymorph spell of 4th level or higher, which helps make gish builds a lot sturdier. Anyway, getting DFI into the build wouldn't be too much trouble, you'd really just need to pick a dragonblood race(silverbrow human maybe?) instead of illumian

[Orfean]

Ok, mates, settled on this build , the dragonfire inspiration route is too heavy, needs a lot of items and feats in order to gain true value from it.
Needs dragontouched from Dragon Magic if i am to keep illumian, and the feat itself, as well as words of creation and another feat to covert damage to sonic.
I'm probably not trading persistent foresight for 7 to 12d6 in one or two attacks, and i'm not dipping to any maneuver user for tiger claw or white raven charges.
We are a 3 man party, and i'm probably the only melee in there.


Any advice on stat array, and needed gear ?
Starting gear as well as endgame.
Planning on using snowflake wardance as often as possible to get me through the early levels, so CHA is a thing.
Got 900g to spend on drugs n rock n roll otherwise. :)

[Orfean]

I would recommend checking out if you haven't already. As for a specific build, I would probably do the following:


Illumian
Paladin of Freedom - Extend Spell
Paladin of Freedom
Bard - Extra Music Devoted Performer
Bard
Bard
Bard - Melodic Casting
Lyric Thaumaturge
Lyric Thaumaturge
Lyric Thaumaturge - Arcane Strike
Lyric Thaumaturge
Sublime Chord
Sacred Exorcist - Persistent Spell
Sacred Exorcist
Sacred Exorcist
Sacred Exorcist - Combat Casting
Abjurant Champion
Abjurant Champion
Abjurant Champion - Minor Shapeshift
Abjurant Champion
Abjurant Champion

I couldn't find room to fit both illumian metamagic shenanigans and Dragonfire Inspiration, but this should be a more than competant bard-based gish build

EDIT: Tweaked build to fit within OP's parameters

Thnx a million.