Portal Gun, Technically Correct Is The Best Kind of Correct

[unseenmage]

Use Create Portal and Underdark pg52 to make a portal that transports only nonliving material.

Set your exit point to the interior of a Portable Hole.

The Portal itself can be built under the ocean, at the bottom of a volcano, under a desert, - in - the - sun -... ...
Just make it out of Riverine, it'll be fine.

So now we have a portal pouring dangerous pressurized whatever into the inside of a (closed) portable hole.

We point the P. Hole at our enemies, open it up and... Now what?
How do we describe the effects in game terms?

Ideas?

EDIT: A fellow player reminded me that there's potential access to infinite pressure via the infinite depth of the plane of water.

[unseenmage]

Huh. So the webcomic xkcd has our back (http://xkcd.com/969/) on this one.

While Kurzgesagt (https://youtu.be/J0ldO87Pprc) can tell us about solar shenanigans.

Neither turns the math into game statistics but it's likely they dont need to. Death by massive dismemberment seems likely.

[Bronk]

Huh. So the webcomic xkcd has our back (http://xkcd.com/969/) on this one.

While Kurzgesagt (https://youtu.be/J0ldO87Pprc) can tell us about solar shenanigans.

Neither turns the math into game statistics but it's likely they dont need to. Death by massive dismemberment seems likely.

It sounds like portals need to tube people through the astral plane... is the inside of an extradimensional space coterminous with the astral?

Rushing water seems like it would be dangerous, especially considering the damage a Decanter of Endless Water can do, but the solar stuff depends on the game world... Suns and stars might not be fusion balls depending on the game.

[Kalkra]

There were some people in the Wheel of Time series who opened portals to volcanoes. The real problem is targeting the flow of lava. Also, don't do the sun unless you have some way of surviving in a vacuum after you destroy the planet you're standing on.

[Bucky]

Vacuum? You'd be surrounded by very hot gasses.

[weckar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLkGSV9WDMA

Just saying...

[Mato]

Isn't it faster to use psionic minor creation to create several cubic feet of antimatter?

1cuft of diced watermelon is 18.19kg (https://www.aqua-calc.com/calculate/food-volume-to-weight) so a leadership-granted 1st level follower using hidden talent can create an "anti-watermelon" that can detonate with about the equivalent energy of about fifteen Tsar bombs.

[Unavenger]

Isn't it faster to use psionic minor creation to create several cubic feet of antimatter?

1cuft of diced watermelon is 18.19kg (https://www.aqua-calc.com/calculate/food-volume-to-weight) so a leadership-granted 1st level follower using hidden talent can create an "anti-watermelon" that can detonate with about the equivalent energy of about fifteen Tsar bombs.

Slight problem:

"You create a nonmagical, unattended object of nonliving, vegetable matter."

[Bronk]

I've been thinking about this some more... I think you'd need a nozzle for your water cannon, otherwise you might not get a nice laminar flow and end up with a useless spray. Or, you could try doing the trick with a enveloping pit, which is longer.

The starmatter one could be approximated by a mix of Gold/Red dragon fire breath and Crystal dragon light breath...

[unseenmage]

I've been thinking about this some more... I think you'd need a nozzle for your water cannon, otherwise you might not get a nice laminar flow and end up with a useless spray. Or, you could try doing the trick with a enveloping pit, which is longer.

The starmatter one could be approximated by a mix of Gold/Red dragon fire breath and Crystal dragon light breath...
As the Envoping Pit has a 1 ft diameter opening option it would seem to natively act as a nozzle.

Though with the plane of water giving us access to potentially infinite depth and thus infinite pressure a nozzle might be the meast of our worries.

One wonders how much pressure the plane of water can actually give us since at some depth super solids could be a thing.

[Karl Aegis]

Why don't you just use a sling?

[Mato]

Slight problem:

"You create a nonmagical, unattended object of nonliving, vegetable matter.":smallsigh:

Anything that takes up space and has mass is matter. And that includes quarks spinning less than average directions. Antimatter isn't "notmatter", it's called that because it acts in opposition to the norm and is hostile to it.

[icefractal]

Anything that takes up space and has mass is matter. And that includes quarks spinning less than average directions. Antimatter isn't "notmatter", it's called that because it acts in opposition to the norm and is hostile to it.I think if you're going to live by the RAW ("it doesn't say it can't be antimatter"), then you have to die by the RAW (if it says matter by name, you can't extrapolate that to 'has mass')

Like how the commoner railgun either does 1d4 damage, or fails somewhere in the middle of the line.

[The Random NPC]

As the Envoping Pit has a 1 ft diameter opening option it would seem to natively act as a nozzle.

Though with the plane of water giving us access to potentially infinite depth and thus infinite pressure a nozzle might be the meast of our worries.

One wonders how much pressure the plane of water can actually give us since at some depth super solids could be a thing.

The Plane of Water has a uniform pressure of roughly 3 psi (a couple of meters). Pathfinder had the pressure change, but it'd be hard anchor the portal to a specific area of "deep".

[unseenmage]

The Plane of Water has a uniform pressure of roughly 3 psi (a couple of meters). Pathfinder had the pressure change, but it'd be hard anchor the portal to a specific area of "deep".

Source please if you could? Would be immensely helpful.

[ericgrau]

EDIT: A fellow player reminded me that there's potential access to infinite pressure via the infinite depth of the plane of water.

"Subjective directional gravity" means "Such a plane has no gravity for unattended objects and nonsentient creatures" means no pressure. More info here: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/planes.htm#
At least no pressure from depth, i.e. weight of water. There could be any amount of pressure for whatever other reason.

But if you somehow can make sure every component is truly indestructible you can go for sun plasma or some such.

[unseenmage]

"Subjective directional gravity" means "Such a plane has no gravity for unattended objects and nonsentient creatures" means no pressure. More info here: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/planes.htm#
At least no pressure from depth, i.e. weight of water. There could be any amount of pressure for whatever other reason.

But if you somehow can make sure every component is truly indestructible you can go for sun plasma or some such.
Thank you. its appreciated.

[The Random NPC]

Source please if you could? Would be immensely helpful.

Manual of the Planes 3rd edition, page 78, third paragraph under the heading Features of the Elemental Plane of Water. Just one of the tidbits that stuck.

[Mato]

I think if you're going to live by the RAW ("it doesn't say it can't be antimatter").:smallsigh:

I just covered this.

[icefractal]

:smallsigh:

I just covered this.You can sigh all you want, it doesn't do anything to prove your point.
At best you can say that it's ambiguous, since there's not a separate term to refer to "either matter or antimatter" (AFAIK). But given that it relies on a more strict-wording interpretation that could go either way, I'd say there's plenty of games where you could use portals but not that.

[Malphegor]

I'd probably throw in here that introducing antimatter melons to your game is probably not the best idea, what with the unwritten rules of 'if players have it so could the npcs'.