Spellcraft and Metamagic

[RNightstalker]

This hasn't come up but I have a feeling it might so I'm doing my homework.

The Spellcraft skill doesn't mention anything about Metamagic effects applied to a spell, just magic effects.
Would someone be able to tell if metamagic was applied to a spell as it was cast, either how many effects were applied or which effects?

[Venger]

No. You just identify the root spell. Spellcraft cannot tell you if they used metamagic or what kind they used.

[Bohandas]

No. You just identify the root spell. Spellcraft cannot tell you if they used metamagic or what kind they used.

Which might indirectly reveal metamagic when cast by a sorcerer, as the spell wpuld take them longer to cast then the spell's listed casting time

[Psyren]

I would allow this, possibly using the adjusted spell level to set the DC.

[KillianHawkeye]

I would allow this, possibly using the adjusted spell level to set the DC.

I would definitely do this provided that they have or are otherwise familiar with the metamagic feat(s) in question, and probably ad hoc an increase to the DC (maybe +5) if they don't.

[Venger]

I would allow this, possibly using the adjusted spell level to set the DC.

That's a really good idea


I would definitely do this provided that they have or are otherwise familiar with the metamagic feat(s) in question, and probably ad hoc an increase to the DC (maybe +5) if they don't.

That's smart too. +5 makes sense. It's the figure used in the current version of spell thematics, that obscure the original spell.

[Psyren]

So I just realized that Pathfinder does have a specific way to detect feats (including metamagic) and class features in use - this is an expanded use of the Knowledge skill that appears in Spymaster's Handbook called Recall Intrigues (https://aonprd.com/Skills.aspx?ItemName=Knowledge). In addition to identifying metamagic, this lets you identify almost any feat with an observable component, such as the extra attack from Cleave.

[RNightstalker]

So I just realized that Pathfinder does have a specific way to detect feats (including metamagic) and class features in use - this is an expanded use of the Knowledge skill that appears in Spymaster's Handbook called Recall Intrigues (https://aonprd.com/Skills.aspx?ItemName=Knowledge). In addition to identifying metamagic, this lets you identify almost any feat with an observable component, such as the extra attack from Cleave.

Thankfully I'm not in PF :smile:

[Mike Miller]

So I just realized that Pathfinder does have a specific way to detect feats (including metamagic) and class features in use - this is an expanded use of the Knowledge skill that appears in Spymaster's Handbook called Recall Intrigues (https://aonprd.com/Skills.aspx?ItemName=Knowledge). In addition to identifying metamagic, this lets you identify almost any feat with an observable component, such as the extra attack from Cleave.

I like that use of knowledge. I may have to steal it from PF.

[Psyren]

Thankfully I'm not in PF :smile:

"Thankfully?" Uh, okay, homebrew something then I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I like that use of knowledge. I may have to steal it from PF.

Yeah, I don't know how I missed it before. It even lets you identify PrC class features too, at a +10 DC.