Path of war Could I get Advice on my Maneuvers known & stances known

[Nosta]

Planning a level 7 warder / 8 Landsknecht

Planning to focus on Mithral current / Riven hour class & Scarlet throne but am unsure what maneuvers and stances i should choose

can i get some advice on what ones to choose?

and how many known ones would i have?

[StSword]

You'd have 13 maneuvers known, 9 from warder, four more from your prestige class.

You'd also know 5 stances- 3 from warder, 2 from your prestige class.

I have no suggestions for which to take though.

[Nosta]

You'd have 13 maneuvers known, 9 from warder, four more from your prestige class.

You'd also know 5 stances- 3 from warder, 2 from your prestige class.

I have no suggestions for which to take though.

Thanks for the help
its much appreciated

[upho]

Planning a level 7 warder / 8 LandsknechtIs this the "fallen samurai" you asked about in this thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?592423-(Path-of-war)-Bushi-Landsknecht-Level-15)? Starting at 15th, right?


Planning to focus on Mithral current / Riven hour class & Scarlet throne but am unsure what maneuvers and stances i should choose

can i get some advice on what ones to choose?Sure, but as mentioned in the previous thread, it depends on other build options and what you're actually looking to achieve.

To give you some pointers, from a pure optimization perspective and generally speaking, I think your choice of classes and disciplines would be especially suitable for a defender/striker combat role with a high damage reach/size/Str AoO style. Which I believe would go very well with a samurai flavor if that's something you'd still prefer. Is this something you wish to be this character's primary combat role and style?

Let me know and I can give you advice on suitable maneuvers and other build options.

That said, I think some of the Riven Hourglass action economy boosters most likely will be simply great or better for this character, pretty much regardless of other choices:

Time Skitter (3rd boost) - you can keep this going forever outside of combat as long as you're able to take swift actions, refreshing it every turn, which means you'll typically start every fight hasted for Int -1 rounds (likely lasts the whole combat).
Beat the Clock (7th counter) - in effect lets you trade an immediate action for a standard action. Awesome.
God of the Hourglass Stance (8th stance) - one additional standard (or move) action per turn. Extremely powerful.
Break the Hourglass (9th counter) - once you reach 17th level; in effect lets you trade an immediate action for a standard and a move action, or a full round action.

[Nosta]

@ upho

Ya i really want to focus on AoO for this build

[Nosta]

I am looking to Build a High speed , quick to strike Character using the Path of war stuff and modeling it after the character in the samurai X

I am thinking for Base class either Warder or Stalker with the bushi template and then prestige in to the landsknect class

but i am unsure what one would work better

For maneuvers

1: Mithral current = the samurai feel
2: Riven hourglass = Extra action give the feel of being real quick
3: Scarlet throne = because i like it and i want to take its style feat line

[Elricaltovilla]

Kenshin Himura was an assassin, so stalker would be closer to his style than warder. Warder/landsknecht has arguably more synergy than Stalker/landsknecht but you really can't screw it no matter which choice you make.

[upho]

If you primarily wish to emulate Kenshin and his fighting style, like Elric said go with stalker bushi, of course Dex based with Daisho Expertise and Deadly Agility to reflect Kenshin's lithe build, lightning fast movements and deadly skill with a katana. This can certainly be made very effective in combat, even though you won't get quite as much out of the Landsknecht features as you would with a more dedicated AoO style, and you'll be a bit more of a pure striker and less of a defender.

If you instead would like to focus more on an AoO style with a similar fast and deadly samurai flavor, as mentioned in the previous thread I recommend you first ask you GM to let you grab the Bladed Brush (https://aonprd.com/FeatDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Bladed%20Brush) feat without having to be a worshiper of Shelyn. And of course you should wield some suitable samurai/eastern version of a glaive (there are quite a few such RL weapons) rather than a European version. Adding Improved Vital Strike, Seize the Opportunity, Mighty Frame (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/3rd-party-feats/dreamscarred-press/feats/#Mighty_Frame_Heritage) (plus Mixed Blood trait), Shape Veil (http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/akashic-feats#toc36) (Armory of the Conqueror (http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/veil-list-and-descriptions#toc17), using essence mainly from a few Radiant Dawn (http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/radiant-dawn-martial-discipline) maneuvers and say an Akashic Catalyst (http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/akashic-wondrous-items#toc0)) and Access Middle Chakra Slot (http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/akashic-feats#toc3) (wrists), you could easily have at least a 15' reach and an 18d8 damage die on practically every AoO you'll make with your glaive (81 average), and more often at least a 35' reach and a 36d8 damage die (162 average).

This also combines beautifully with replacing a normal magic weapon with a super-discounted essence-forged (http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/akashic-weapons#toc1) weapon if you have 3 essence to spare, giving you magic enhancements/abilities worth 72,000 gp for the price of 5,000 gp! You can go Str based with Zweihander Sentinel warder bushi levels to increase the synergies and get easy access to Scarlet Throne, but you should do more than fine also as Dex based with a bit less reach and a lower max damage die on your AoOs.

A few suitable maneuvers for your level, style and flavor (in addition to the Riven Hourglass maneuvers mentioned in my previous post):
Mithral Current Whirlpool Strike, Crashing Wake, Endless Current
Scarlet Throne Sanguine Perfection, Ruby Battle Lord's Strike, Royal Blade, Descending Sunset Strike
Fool's Errand (better if Str based) Tornady Slam, Moment of Mastery, Tempest Tango Blitz, Finger of God

HTH!

[Nosta]

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HTH![/QUOTE]

Ok so I played one mission My gm says the way I played him Felt like a Dreadnought style character and well like bottousai the man slayer.

and at the end of session the Gm gave the group a one time pass on changing stuff

so i'd appreciate so advice

keep Mithral current and scarlet throne
what discipline would fit my dreadnought style swordsman
also should i keep warder or swish to another class?

[Elricaltovilla]

If your GM already said your character plays like a dreadnought (which is a type of ship (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadnought) for the record) and that is what you want, then why change anything?

[upho]

keep Mithral current and scarlet throne
what discipline would fit my dreadnought style swordsmanWell, I think a very dreadnought-y and suitable discipline would be Eternal Guardian, but it's not as damage oriented. If you did go Str-based, you could perhaps also complement that with Intimidating Prowess and boost you Intimidate to make good use of the related great maneuvers.

Another idea would be to replace a warder level with a level of Inspired Blade swashbuckler if you did get Bladed Brush, since that gives you Opportune Parry and Ripost deed which goes great with an AoO style and Scarlet Throne Riposte (if you did get that). And that would also let you use the cheap Swordmaster's Flair to increase your reach even further. Though you'd of course have trouble regaining panache per default since you wouldn't wield a rapier (but I think that could be fixed through some item or feat IIRC).


also should i keep warder or swish to another class?Nah, I think you should keep most warder levels if you wanna remain dreadnought-y, as it's probably the most dreadnought-y of all PoW classes.

If you could post some of the basics of your current build (at least race, ability scores and feats), I might be able to offer a bit more help.

[Nosta]

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Ya I might consider the 1 level Dip In Swash but'd have to give up Bait the dragon and i really like that ability

well my Race is the old and boring human (Not dual Talent)

Stats before items
STR 16
DEX 16
CON 10
INT 15
WIS 10
CHA 14

After items Belt and headband
STR 22
Dex 22
CON 10
INT 19
WIS 14
CHA 18

Feats
LV1: EWP Katana
LV1:EWP Wakizashi
LV1: Quick Draw
LV1: Combat Ref (uses INT Not DEX)
LV1: Dodge
LV1: Power Attack
LV3: Scarlet throne Style
LV:5 Mobility
LV6: Mixed Combat
LV7: Scarlet Throne Dignity
LV9: Martial Focus (+1 Weapon ATK and DMG)
LV11: Scarlet Throne Riposte
LV13: Cut from the Air
LV15 spell cut