Alternate uses for non-Turn Undead turning?

[Elves]

Master of the East Wind 5th level gives you the Air Domain, including the ability to use its granted power (bolster air creatures, turn earth creatures) as a cleric of your MotEW level. Presumably this also grants you the 3+Cha turning charges a cleric gets, since otherwise the ability would be useless. Is there anything that generic turn charges (either doesn't specify Turn Undead or explicitly extends to other forms of turning) can be used or traded for that would be useful to a character who can't cast divine spells?


Specific wording:

You can use the Air domain's granted power, substituting your master of the east wind levels for cleric levels.
It's a monk/arcane caster PrC with no relation to clerics, so I think it's reasonable to assume that this also grants usage charges.

[tiercel]

Well there are Elemental Healing and Elemental Smiting (CD), which explicitly call for rebuking or turning elementals, but as they go off your effective cleric level they may not be very exciting.

Presumably the more attractive option would be to exchange the Air Domain for Air Devotion (CC), but that costs you the domain spells as well as the domain power, if that matters.

It’s not RAW, but it would be arguably quite reasonable to allow rebuke air elementals to power the Air Devotion feat (if you take it as a normal feat rather than trading the domain in for it), but you would definitely have to ask/convince your DM about that.

[Elves]

Presumably the more attractive option would be to exchange the Air Domain for Air Devotion (CC), but that costs you the domain spells as well as the domain power, if that matters.

For once per day, not really worth it, though since a wizard isn't getting much out of this class ability (whereas a sorcerer is getting 9 extra spells known above their cap), I guess they may as well.

But letting the Air domain power fuel Air Devotion does sound reasonable, and could sorttt of justify a high-Cha Ascetic Mage sorc build taking Air Devotion with a feat slot (can't trade the domain for it since then you lose your turn charges).

[Thurbane]

Well there are Elemental Healing and Elemental Smiting (CD)

The only other feats I can find that can run off non-undead turn/rebuke attempts are:

Faith in the Frost (Fr)
Initiate of Baravar Cloakshadow (CoV)

There's also these, but they require turn/rebuke undead to take the feat. Their wording is such that if you otherwise qualify, you could arguably use other types of turn/rebuke attempts:

Divine Accuracy (LM)
Pious Defiance (FC2)
Profane Boost (CD)

[NontheistCleric]

There's also these, but they require turn/rebuke undead to take the feat. Their wording is such that if you otherwise qualify, you could arguably use other types of turn/rebuke attempts:

Divine Accuracy (LM)
Pious Defiance (FC2)
Profane Boost (CD)


For that matter, the Devotion line of feats include similar wording. You need to have turn/rebuke undead to be able to sacrifice turn/rebuke attempts for extra uses, but it's not specified that the attempts you sacrifice must be turn/rebuke undead themselves.

Not that this helps if you only have turn/rebuke air elementals, but still, worth noting.

[Anthrowhale]

For that matter, the Devotion line of feats include similar wording. You need to have turn/rebuke undead to be able to sacrifice turn/rebuke attempts for extra uses, but it's not specified that the attempts you sacrifice must be turn/rebuke undead themselves.

Not that this helps if you only have turn/rebuke air elementals, but still, worth noting.

For a Monk/Arcane theurge it's reasonable to pick up a level of Sacred Exorcist for Turn Undead.

[Elves]

But the theoretical turn charges granted by the MOTEW ability wouldn't stack with the turn undead charges you get from SE1, so it's a moot point.

That aside, do you approve of SE-fueled Devotion use in gishes in general? Which Devotion?

[Anthrowhale]

But the theoretical turn charges granted by the MOTEW ability wouldn't stack with the turn undead charges you get from SE1, so it's a moot point.

The comment was w.r.t. qualification for feats. It may be possible to qualify for feats which require turn undead via SE1, then use an alternate turning pool to fuel those feats.


That aside, do you approve of SE-fueled Devotion use in gishes in general? Which Devotion?
Travel Devotion is pretty good on a melee character if they have alternate methods (sneak attack, skirmish, greater mighty wallop, etc...) to deal important quantities of damage since it allows you to full attack, magnifying damage by a factor of 5+ at high levels. Fire devotion may also be fun since it implicitly nerfs the ability of opponents to do a full attack.

[Elves]

The comment was w.r.t. qualification for feats. It may be possible to qualify for feats which require turn undead via SE1, then use an alternate turning pool to fuel those feats.

I'd assumed the domain turning powers were alternate uses of Turn Undead, but by the SRD wording it does look like they are their own alternate pools. That does become interesting in general then, especially if no nightstick stacking is allowed so Turn uses are scarcer.