Can you use Unarmed Strikes as Secondary Natural Attacks after Full Attacking?

[BlueWitch]

I was reading the rules for Natural Attacks.

I may have misread but it looked like it said you could do them as part of a Full Attack after attacking with your Primary stuff.

So let's say we had a Level 20 Fighter/Monk.

Could his Full Attack be: 4 Strikes with his Sword and 2 with Unarmed Slams? (Kicks lol)

[NNescio]

I was reading the rules for Natural Attacks.

I may have misread but it looked like it said you could do them as part of a Full Attack after attacking with your Primary stuff.

So let's say we had a Level 20 Fighter/Monk.

Could his Full Attack be: 4 Strikes with his Sword and 2 with Unarmed Slams? (Kicks lol)

Unarmed attacks/strikes are by definition not natural attacks.

A source of confusion may arise because a monk’s unarmed strike "is treated both as a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon or the purpose of spells and effects that enhance or improve either manufactured weapons or natural weapons." But it still does not count as a natural attack. It only counts as a natural weapon for things like Magic Fang and weapon enhancements (and feats like Improved Natural Attack).

Otherwise, unarmed attacks are treated similar to manufactured weapon attacks; they get iteratives in a similar fashion (technically they are still not manufactured weapon attacks). You may use unarmed strikes in conjunction with manufactured weapon attacks; it counts as a light weapon (in fact it always counts as a light weapon) and you may use it for two-weapon fighting, assigning weapons as off-hand as necessary. Monk don't suffer penalties for off-hand unarmed strikes, so there is not a reason not to make them off-hand (you can choose otherwise, but you just eat unnecessary penalties.)

Edit: Also, a monk using a special monk weapon while flurrying can freely interchange weapon attacks with unarmed strikes, without bothering with two-weapon fighting.

[BlueWitch]

Unarmed attacks/strikes are by definition not natural attacks.

A source of confusion may arise because a monk’s unarmed strike "is treated both as a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon or the purpose of spells and effects that enhance or improve either manufactured weapons or natural weapons." But it still does not count as a natural attack. It only counts as a natural weapon for things like Magic Fang and weapon enhancements (and feats like Improved Natural Attack).

Otherwise, unarmed attacks are treated similar to manufactured weapon attacks; they get iteratives in a similar fashion.

Aww nuts....
It would have been kinda awesome! xD But oh well.

[NNescio]

Aww nuts....
It would have been kinda awesome! xD But oh well.

Also, you might find the Rules of the Game: Unarmed Attacks (Part One/Two/Three) series of articles (written by Skip Williams) to be useful, for answering similar questions. They can be found on the WotC archives.

Part One (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20070327a)
Part Two (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20070403a)
Part Three (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20070410a)

[Psyren]

Pathfinder makes it clear that unarmed strike is not a natural weapon - this allows it to get iteratives, but prevents you from using it after a manufactured full-attack sequence.